Are striders/hinderers worth the money?

Unfortunately none of us can answer that question for you. The good news is, if you're smart about finding a good deal, you can generally turn around and sell a knife you're unhappy with for little to no loss...so don't be afraid to try expensive knives!
 
A knife is worth what you think it's worth and what you'll pay for it. But before judging the knife by the price handle it first. There are some knives out there after I hold them I don't think they're worth the money, but after I hold most, I see the value in it.

It's small shop, custom, more attention to detail vs mass produced. You're paying for the rarity, the prestige, the "home town" kind of feel.


At the same time, I think MSRP on the Southard is close to $400, but you get some "dealers" on ebay who sell them at dealer cost which devalues the name and undersells the knife.
 
Read the Strider warranty thread then decide if they're still worth anything to you. Mickey Burger has quite a reputation.

Hinderers are expensive on the secondary market.

Look at actual performance.
 
Read the Strider warranty thread then decide if they're still worth anything to you. Mickey Burger has quite a reputation.

Hinderers are expensive on the secondary market.

Look at actual performance.

Ya, this is what I was talking about, a lot of hate for Mick Strider (Mickey Burger) on the forums. Just look at the knife, if you like how it looks and think it's right for you, who cares about the people who make it. I would buy a knife made by a homeless crack addict if it was a quality product.
 
Hinderers are of great quality, but overly expensive on the secondary market. I just can't stand how Rick says he does not make knives for collectors, yet collectors are indirectly keeping his business flourishing.

I've sold all the Strider's Ive ever owner. Nice looking knife, but the ergonomics are odd and I don't trust their quality control. Mick Burger also has a pretty bad reputation. People will tell you to not care about it, but that's like saying you should not care if a company is run unethically. Yeah right. Despite this I went and bought them and experienced these knives for myself, and although I felt the Strider was cool, that is also all it has going for it.

Technically they should be called Burger Knives.:)
 
Hinderers are of great quality, but overly expensive on the secondary market. I just can't stand how Rick says he does not make knives for collectors, yet collectors are indirectly keeping his business flourishing.

I've sold all the Strider's Ive ever owner. Nice looking knife, but the ergonomics are odd and I don't trust their quality control. Mick Burger also has a pretty bad reputation. People will tell you to not care about it, but that's like saying you should not care if a company is run unethically. Yeah right. Despite this I went and bought them and experienced these knives for myself, and although I felt the Strider was cool, that is also all it has going for it.

Technically they should be called Burger Knives.:)

The company is being run just like any other company. Yes, Mickey Burger lied to increase his popularity. However, why should the ethics of one person, influence someones decision to buy a knife they like? Just my opinion, but I don't really care about the people, just the product. After all, I will be purchasing the product for use in my daily life. Doesn't mean I have to deal with the people who made it daily.

Like I said, asking bladeforums for unbiased input on anything to do with Strider Knives. Is like asking an Atheist for unbiased input as to whether there is a god or not.
 
To me a maker is as important as the product. That carries over to both knives and guns. If the owner/founder doesn't have integrity, or honesty, or is shady, etc. why should I support him?

I have never owned a Strider and I wasn't addressing Mick individually. To me Striders don't feel that great and I'm not a fan of the titanium work. Are they solid knives? They seem to be. But if I was ever interested in a Strider, Mick's past kind of kills it for me. There's a lot of other solid knives out there, for the same price, that the owners are pretty stand up people
 
To me a maker is as important as the product. That carries over to both knives and guns. If the owner/founder doesn't have integrity, or honesty, or is shady, etc. why should I support him?

I have never owned a Strider and I wasn't addressing Mick individually. To me Striders don't feel that great and I'm not a fan of the titanium work. Are they solid knives? They seem to be. But if I was ever interested in a Strider, Mick's past kind of kills it for me. There's a lot of other solid knives out there, for the same price, that the owners are pretty stand up people

While I can somewhat agree with what you're saying. I believe that if someone is particularly drawn to a product, everything else should be second. Lot's of people have problems with Ernest Emerson, Chris Reeve, Anthony Marfione, and other company owners. But I believe that the actions of the company as a whole, should speak louder than the actions of a single individual. Just my opinion, but I do believe that there is a bit more bias than necessary on bladeforums toward Strider (Not saying it's all unnecessary, just most of it).
 
While I can somewhat agree with what you're saying. I believe that if someone is particularly drawn to a product, everything else should be second. Lot's of people have problems with Ernest Emerson, Chris Reeve, Anthony Marfione, and other company owners. But I believe that the actions of the company as a whole, should speak louder than the actions of a single individual. Just my opinion, but I do believe that there is a bit more bias than necessary on bladeforums toward Strider (Not saying it's all unnecessary, just most of it).

Agreed, I am guilty of that once, being drawn to a product. Picked up an Umnumzaan tanto, old pivot, pre Idaho made, got it because the price and I loved the looks. Hell of a slicer, but I got it knowing too that if I had any warranty work that needed to be done, I'd probably be SOL for the free part
 
The company is being run just like any other company. Yes, Mickey Burger lied to increase his popularity. However, why should the ethics of one person, influence someones decision to buy a knife they like? Just my opinion, but I don't really care about the people, just the product. After all, I will be purchasing the product for use in my daily life. Doesn't mean I have to deal with the people who made it daily.

Like I said, asking bladeforums for unbiased input on anything to do with Strider Knives. Is like asking an Atheist for unbiased input as to whether there is a god or not.

1. Of course the ethics of a company matter when making a purchasing decision, particularly when ethics in question is that of the owner/operator. Its like saying it would be OK to support a company like Enron because their CEO was a douche that you didn't have to deal with every day.

2. And why is my opinion not unbiased? I don't work for him, or with a competing company. I'm a customer with an opinion of his products and attitude, and that's about as unbiased as it gets.
 
1. Of course the ethics of a company matter when making a purchasing decision, particularly when ethics in question is that of the owner/operator. Its like saying it would be OK to support a company like Enron because their CEO was a douche that you didn't have to deal with every day.

2. And why is my opinion not unbiased? I don't work for him, or with a competing company. I'm a customer with an opinion of his products and attitude, and that's about as unbiased as it gets.

You're opinion of STRIDER KNIVES is biased because you don't like Mickey Burger. Therefore you cannot give an unbiased opinion of the product, when your opinion of the individual is clouding your purely objective opinion of the knife.
 
The issue I have that holds me back from buying a Hinderer is the pricing, I don't qualify for the direct buy program so I have to go on the secondary market and pay literally 2 or even 3 times as much for the same knife. I definitely think the XMs at $400-500 (roughly) are worth it, but the secondary market prices around $1000 I just can't see it. I like the XM a lot, but I'm not going to pay $1000 for one either.

As to Striders, I don't really like the look of them. This has nothing to do with Mick's shady past, I just don't really care for the styling.

Another issue that arises to me is that one looking for a high quality, overbuilt folder can go to a lot of production options like ZT for instance. No, you won't get the hand made finish of a Hinderer, but you will get 95% of the product with a very high level of quality control at a fraction of the price.
 
You're opinion of STRIDER KNIVES is biased because you don't like Mickey Burger. Therefore you cannot give an unbiased opinion of the product, when your opinion of the individual is clouding your purely objective opinion of the knife.

I don't like his attitude or his product. I don't look at a Strider knife and think 'That bastard Mick Burger", even if you think I do. I've judged his knives for what they are, and was not aware of Mick's background at the time. Even when finding out, I came to the same conclusion. Its not that I don't like Mick Burger - I don't know the guy - but I don't approve of what he did, and I don't find his knives to be anything close to exceptional. There's a difference.
 
Ya, this is what I was talking about, a lot of hate for Mick Strider (Mickey Burger) on the forums. Just look at the knife, if you like how it looks and think it's right for you, who cares about the people who make it. I would buy a knife made by a homeless crack addict if it was a quality product.

Would you buy a knife made by a racist who rapes children? Probably not? I imagine most people would choose to avoid such products. That's taking it to an extreme, but it serves to illustrate a point. Take it far enough and you will find that reputation and ethics do matter. It's simply a matter of how much people will tolerate before they say enough is enough and won't purchase a product from an individual or company.

Even if we completely ignore that, "Strider" aka Mickey Burger knives have a horrible reputation for customer service and fixing problems. Most notably their insane $25 return shipping charge as I mentioned in my earlier post. $25 to ship a knife back to a customer. There are way too many negative threads about the company for it all to be coincidence or "hate" or "biased opinions".


You're opinion of STRIDER KNIVES is biased because you don't like Mickey Burger. Therefore you cannot give an unbiased opinion of the product, when your opinion of the individual is clouding your purely objective opinion of the knife.

Your opinion is biased because you want to remove pertinent information from the discussion. Knives are made by people. If the people who make them are convicted felons, liars, and practice unprofessional and shady business practices, all of that factors into the knife and the experiences a customer will have owning and using the knife.

There are way too many companies out there that have integrity to waste any time on companies run by unscrupulous individuals who produce sub-par products and fail to meet basic customer service standards.
 
Would you buy a knife made by a racist who rapes children? Probably not? I imagine most people would choose to avoid such products. That's taking it to an extreme, but it serves to illustrate a point. Take it far enough and you will find that reputation and ethics do matter. It's simply a matter of how much people will tolerate before they say enough is enough and won't purchase a product from an individual or company.

Even if we completely ignore that, "Strider" aka Mickey Burger knives have a horrible reputation for customer service and fixing problems. Most notably their insane $25 return shipping charge as I mentioned in my earlier post. $25 to ship a knife back to a customer. There are way too many negative threads about the company for it all to be coincidence or "hate" or "biased opinions".




Your opinion is biased because you want to remove pertinent information from the discussion. Knives are made by people. If the people who make them are convicted felons, liars, and practice unprofessional and shady business practices, all of that factors into the knife and the experiences a customer will have owning and using the knife.

There are way too many companies out there that have integrity to waste any time on companies run by unscrupulous individuals who produce sub-par products and fail to meet basic customer service standards.

How is my opinion biased? In my initial post I listed simple facts about the Strider SMF, and aspects of it that were good and bad. I did not make the knife out to be amazing because it isn't and I know that. At the same time, I'm not going to say I don't like the knife, just because after I bought it I found out the owner was shady. As for the warranty, I also stated that I have no experience with their warranty service. If it costs $50 for round trip shipping, I really don't care. I paid 10x's that for the knife, and if it gets me a working knife again I'm happy. But again, I have no experience with them and will not base my opinion off of what people on the forums say, as usually negative publicity is emphasized 10x's over good publicity.

I simply collect knives, I like my SMF, and I said so in my original post. I kept it objective and gave the OP what he wanted to know. He asked for info about Strider knives, and Hinderer knives. So I told him about the knives, not the politics surrounding them. You don't have to like Steve Jobs to like an iPhone, so why should I have to like Mickey Strider to like his knives? If you have handled a Strider Knife before, and didn't like it, that's totally cool and it really doesn't bother me. But when someone, who has never owned or handled a Strider (NOT SAYING YOU SPECIFICALLY) says "Don't buy Strider, Mick Strider is shady, and the people on the forums say the warranty sucks." that is just ridiculous.

Lastly, how does Strider produce a "sub-par product"? And just because they over-charge for shipping, why does that mean they "fail to meet basic customer service standards"? Please direct me to the "United States of America Customer Service Standards" Act. Do some companies have better CS than Strider? Yes. But I do believe that they produce a product which is on par with CRK or ZT.

I'm not a Strider fan boy, nor am I trying to defend what Mick Strider did. I simply own One of their products, and truly believe it to be a quality product (YES you pay a little extra for exclusivity). Do I like Mick Strider? No, but I do enjoy my SMF. And in the end, isn't that all that matters? We all like knives, we don't have to like the people who make them though.
 
No, they are not worth it. Cutting implements are not worth that much, and a "semi-custom" is still a production knife, meant to be a cutting implement. The price is there because people like to collect. If you're talking about using it as a tool? No way. A couple hundred extra bucks does not make a knife cut better, nor does it make it faster, safer, or more reliable. Even the guy above says his Strider doesn't cut as well as his PM2, which I have since come to see as a pretty thick blade.

Not trying to be inflammatory whatsoever, but I see it as man jewelry. Same as getting a car tricked out or a truck lifted with big pipes when you're not planning on racing or hitting the mud. Same as with expensive watches, expensive eyewear(guilty as charged), expensive pens etc. Not saying that's a bad thing. Some people want what they want, and it just happens to cost much more. However, threads like this make me feel like a lot of people just buy what others buy, getting themselves talked into spending hundreds on a cutting tool and skipping all the awesome blades in between.

Myself, I'd rather have a custom for that kind of money. I'd pay much more just to know that it is one of a kind, or close to. That's the only way I'll find something that fits ME without me having to question whether or not I want it. If you have to ask someone else, the answer is "no, don't buy it".
 
For me to like knife, it has to be well made, I have to like its look and also I have to like the maker/company who made it. Things I heard about Mick Striders shady past and their customer service just put me off from buying Strider knife. Also, in that price range I expect it to come to me with atlest almost perfect fit and finish, issues can happen sometimes but they can not keep happening and from what I ve read they do keep happening and when they happen I expect from customer service to take care of them and not to make profit of it. Also, I live in Europe so eventually I want to avoid possible issues and the need for warranty repair. Also to mention, I ve seen the badasses for who Strider claims his knives are meant for, guess what, they used some cheap Gerber or Glock knives. Not get me wrong, I like high end knives but I take them more as man jewelry.
 
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I have 2 SnG's and a 3.5 xm-18. They are knives that I'm not afraid to use. Striders have gone up in quality over the years. My Hinderer is borderline custom quality. I feel they are worth the price, but not the secondary market prices. Want a flipper? There are better knives than the xm-18 (they do flip even w/ a weaker detent contrary to what people say though). Want a robust edc knife? There are cheaper options than a Strider/Hinderer, but in my experience a ZT/Benchmade/Spyderco/etc. is not the same. They all cut though.
 
If you really like the knife, then it's worth the money spent.
Try an SnG. The design is so strong yet simple.
I love my customs but I EDC my stock Emerson Jungle Commander.
rolf
 
No, they are not worth it. Cutting implements are not worth that much, and a "semi-custom" is still a production knife, meant to be a cutting implement. The price is there because people like to collect. If you're talking about using it as a tool? No way. A couple hundred extra bucks does not make a knife cut better, nor does it make it faster, safer, or more reliable. Even the guy above says his Strider doesn't cut as well as his PM2, which I have since come to see as a pretty thick blade.

Knives were meant to be used, to....well....cut. Just because a knife is more expensive does it make it a better cutter? No, blade thickness and the grind pays in. But you get a stronger, more durable knife that has more uses that just being a knife. I've chopped with my XM-18 before, stabbed through lumber, and use it regularlry to pry staples out of ammo boxes. You try and do that with a lot of Spydercos, you'll break them, because most Spydercos are slicers, that's what they're meant to do. A lot of the "beefier" knives are meant to be more things than just a knife.
 
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