Are there any permits required to sell Randall knife in New York State?

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Hello, everybody,
MY friend in the USA will sell my Randall Model 19-5” Bushmaster and Model 12-13” Raymond Thorp knives. According to the US law, can he simply put the knife for sale on ebay, do he need a licence for this etc? I had serious problems before, therefore do not want my friend experiencing any problems either.
Thanks,
 
I think maybe this would best be answered over in the Knife Laws forum.

But I'm 0-3 this week for lending dirrection. :D so maybe you will get your answer here.
 
What you guys in the UK need to do is throw out the bums that pass laws that prohibit you from owning firearms and if you can believe it, knives! Your country took a big s**t when they threw Winston Churchhill out of office after WWII. You had a brief resurgence with Thatcher, but it has bin downhill for the most part.
 
As long as he doesn't sell to anyone under 18 without parential permission, he is fine.
 
Really? Can you point out the federal law that states that? If you can't find a federal law, can you point to a state law in any state that makes it illegal to sell a knife to anyone under 18?
 
OICU812 said:
Really? ....... If you can't find a federal law, can you point to a state law in any state that makes it illegal to sell a knife to anyone under 18?
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OPTION-B
Texas, - 46.06. Unlawful transfer of certain weapons.
(a) A person commits an offense if he... (2)... sells...
gives... offers... to any child younger than 18 years any
firearm, or illegal knife [except with written parental
consent].
 
Here's also a bit from NJ's law book-

"2C:39-9.1... Any person who sells any hunting, fishing,
combat or survival knife having a blade length of five
inches or more or an overall length of 10 inches or more
to a person under 18 years of age commits a crime of the
fourth degree..."

And from New York-

§ 265.05 Unlawful possession of weapons by persons under sixteen.
It shall be unlawful for any person under the age of sixteen to
possess ... any dangerous knife ... .
A person who violates the provisions of this section shall be adjudged
a juvenile delinquent.

§ 265.10

5. Any person who disposes of any of the weapons, instruments, appli-
ances or substances specified in section 265.05 to any other person
under the age of sixteen years is guilty of a class A misdemeanor.


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The over 18 stipulation will generally keep you out of trouble. NY State has decent knife laws, but is vague on what they term a dangerous knife. NYC Is very vague, although much of their attentions are focused mainly on one handed folding knives.
 
Sorry, I still do not understand - is it ok to sell big knives like Raymond Thorp through ebay in New York state?
 
Yes, just not to anyone under 16 years old and I still wouldn't go lower than 18 years old in 99.9% of cases. The sale of Bowie knives is perfectly legal there.
 
ron_m80 said:
It is illegal to sell a knife in the USA to someone under 18.
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Ok, so your statement is false. There is no federal law prohibiting the sale of knves. Thank goodness, mom has a 9" Henkles carver coming for her birthday.

Second this law(?), code(?), ordnance(?) from Texas you provide has to be one of the worst written I can recall seeing and also doesn't support your statement. Can you come up with something federally based? You made the claim, so whatcha got?

OPTION-B
Texas, - 46.06. Unlawful transfer of certain weapons.
(a) A person commits an offense if he... (2)... sells...
gives... offers... to any child younger than 18 years any
firearm, or illegal knife [except with written parental
consent].


What are 'certain weapons? What is an 'illegal knife'? Either way, it doesn't matter if ma and pa approve. Jolly good show!

tltt said:
Here's also a bit from NJ's law book-

"2C:39-9.1... Any person who sells any hunting, fishing,
combat or survival knife having a blade length of five
inches or more or an overall length of 10 inches or more
to a person under 18 years of age commits a crime of the
fourth degree..."
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No one give a sh!t about New Jersey. Commies rule the roost.

tltt said:
And from New York-

§ 265.05 Unlawful possession of weapons by persons under sixteen.
It shall be unlawful for any person under the age of sixteen to
possess ... any dangerous knife ... .
A person who violates the provisions of this section shall be adjudged
a juvenile delinquent.
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Boy, I bet being adjudged a “juvenile delinquent” curbed some potential offenders appetite for mischief!


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tltt said:
The over 18 stipulation will generally keep you out of trouble. NY State has decent knife laws, but is vague on what they term a dangerous knife. NYC Is very vague, although much of their attentions are focused mainly on one handed folding knives.
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And titt, you may have won the award!! The award for saying both the most incredibly stupid thing and sensible thing all in one sentence!
 
OICU812 said:
Ok, so your statement is false.
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First if you knew that than why didn't you just say so to begin with? You are correct, I was wrong to make the statement that way, but when you asked me to prove it or show you a state law, well i thought i would show you a state law instead.

There is no federal law prohibiting the sale of knves to people under the age of 18, but i wouldn't hesitate to point out the foolishness of selling what is widely concidered a weapon to someone who is not legally adult age (read voting age),

OICU812 said:
Second this law(?), code(?), ordnance(?) from Texas you provide has to be one of the worst written I can recall seeing and also doesn't support your statement.
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again you are correct, texas state law doesn't impact federal law in anyway, you were awake in your government class i see. If you are an advocate for plain language law I will agree with you once again. but I have no hand in the wording of Texas state laws, therfore you should redirrect your responce in that regard to the appropriate people.
 
ron_m80 said:
.........but i wouldn't hesitate to point out the foolishness of selling what is widely concidered a weapon to someone who is not legally adult age (read voting age)......
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Herein lies the problem. Who considers it a weapon? You? Probably not. Me? Definitely not. Nothing becomes a weapon unitll used as such, including a bowling ball, my cigar lighter, and my wine bottle opener. All weapons when used with ill intent. I understand I am most likely preaching to the quire here, but let's not give these leftist assh**es any more than they have already taken. Remember, knives causing stabbings is like saying matches cause arson.
 
Our laws are written with characteristics of the knife in mind, not manufacturer. That the original knife of interest is a Randall doesn't make the subject appropriate to this forum. Moving to Knife Laws.
 
OICU812 said:
Herein lies the problem. Who considers it a weapon? You? Probably not. Me? Definitely not. Nothing becomes a weapon unitll used as such, including a bowling ball, my cigar lighter, and my wine bottle opener. All weapons when used with ill intent. I understand I am most likely preaching to the quire here, but let's not give these leftist assh**es any more than they have already taken. Remember, knives causing stabbings is like saying matches cause arson.
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most non knife people consider all knives as weapons. and you have to consider that there are way more non knife people than knife people. also if this were taken to court i bet a judge would consider any bladed implement a weapon.
 
It is not illegal to sell a knife to someone under 18 in Texas.

That quote says "illegal knife", which has a list of definitions just above that section, basically a knife with a blade over 5.5 inches, but larger knives are perfectly legitimate for hunting, fishing, camping, etc.; all of which are commmon here. You would simply need parental permission to buy one if you were under 18. (I'm not familiar with those exact Randall models or if they fall in the restricted category.)

Minors in Texas can and do buy knives all the time. Inexplicably, they generally don't immediately go out and stab people and run amok.

BTW---are there really alot of under 18 year old kids buying Randalls anyway?
 
joe-bob said:
BTW---are there really alot of under 18 year old kids buying Randalls anyway?
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In Tixas? why, sure! :)

You're right, of course. Part of the problem is that knife laws are a legal matter, and most people, even on Bladeforums, don't read laws correctly. We learn to read more colloquially, and law is an exactingly technical field, where each document (law) can use its own definitions of what look like common words.

We need to read them like you just did, focusing on EVERY word in its own context.
 
OICU812 said:
Herein lies the problem. Who considers it a weapon? You? Probably not. Me? Definitely not. Nothing becomes a weapon unitll used as such, including a bowling ball, my cigar lighter, and my wine bottle opener. All weapons when used with ill intent. I understand I am most likely preaching to the quire here, but let's not give these leftist assh**es any more than they have already taken. Remember, knives causing stabbings is like saying matches cause arson.
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Yeah, I couldn't possibly imagine anyone considering this Randall to be a "weapon":

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Or this one:

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Or this silly little thing:

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Well, except maybe for the arresting officer . . . and the DA . . . and the judge . . . and the jury, but they don't count, right? They're all "commies."
 
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