Are these two knives and sheaths the same?

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Albin

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Knife and sheath #1:

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Knife and sheath #2:

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Obviously Pic #1 was taken in sunlight; it's cloudy here now; #2 pic was taken directly under 5000k LED lights. Note the very small scratch on the sheath #1 at the middle of the belt loop; it's missing from belt loop #2.

Switched at birth?

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I might could understand the leather darkening with time - but that much?

I have no clue about the micarta - does it change color with time or with some other process? I think the sunlight pics clearly show that light differences, if any, are not the cause of the color changes.
 
They’re the same to my eyes. One thing that stood out looking at your first two pics; look at the lanyard tube and you’ll see both pics show the exact same mark in the micarta at 11 o’clock.

That scratch you see in the belt loop in pic 1 does show up in the later pictures. Also, both pics of the sheaths show the same stitching anomaly along the edge where the spine faces, halfway down, plus the chatter marks down that edge of the welt.
 
Both same knife and sheath. Same mark near lanyard hole and same mark on the center of the sheath snap. The plunges did look a bit different but I believe it's due to the lighting change.

Curious as to why you posted this - is there may be more to this story?
 
I'm guessing he purchased a knife which he okayed by the pictures but was not as expected when it arrived.
 
Too bad these guys can’t just get back to the Maker with these ‘questions’ instead of the subtle expressing of displeasure to the whole Forum.

To each their own I guess but I’ve had outstanding success with this Maker…
 
Jsega51 said:
They’re the same to my eyes. One thing that stood out looking at your first two pics; look at the lanyard tube and you’ll see both pics show the exact same mark in the micarta at 11 o’clock.

That scratch you see in the belt loop in pic 1 does show up in the later pictures. Also, both pics of the sheaths show the same stitching anomaly along the edge where the spine faces, halfway down, plus the chatter marks down that edge of the welt.
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I see the same marks. ETA: I now agree with you: the marks are the same. It's the same knife and sheath as sent on March 26.

For those that say they're the same - how do you account for the difference in color of both the sheath and the knife handle? How could it change that much from March 26 (pic #1 received) and March 31 (pic #2 taken).
 
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TK Steingass said:
Both same knife and sheath. Same mark near lanyard hole and same mark on the center of the sheath snap. The plunges did look a bit different but I believe it's due to the lighting change.

Curious as to why you posted this - is there may be more to this story?
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Read the thread: Some say it's two different sheaths and knives, some say it's the same. I'm strictly an amateur knife person - if it stumps the experts, how TF could I know?

The rest of the story:

- Ordered knife 2/28 with detailed list of requirements with pics to show examples of what I wanted. Knife, for the most part, is a current make item for the maker.
- Received an e-mail 3/26 saying my knife was ready, pic #1 was attached to the e-mail. To me that was a clear implication that that pic represented my knife. The pic accurately reflected what I ordered (dark brown sheath and green handles).
- I receive the knife Mar 31 and all I see are black colors, no dark brown and certainly no green.

So again, how could micarta change color in 4-5 days from green to black?
 
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Dawkind said:
Too bad these guys can’t just get back to the Maker with these ‘questions’ instead of the subtle expressing of displeasure to the whole Forum.

To each their own I guess but I’ve had outstanding success with this Maker…
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Thanks for the snotty reply.

Replying to the maker was the first thing I did. Asking for disinterested 3rd party expert opinions was #2.

And take note I never mentioned the maker nor disparaged his name in any way. If you think you know who the maker is then it should be obvious to you that I removed his mark from the knife.

Colors: How did they change in 4-5 days? Please keep your snotty replies to your self, thank very much.
 
Albin said:
I see the same marks.

For those that say they're the same - how do you account for the difference in color of both the sheath and the knife handle? How could it change that much from March 26 (pic #1 received) and March 31 (pic #2 taken).
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Light. You can see below that 5000k LED have a heavy blue spike in their spectrum (cancels red). In addition, the sensor of your camera might amplify UV (all compared to a flat spectrum of sunlight).

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Hobby photographer’s annecdote: When Leica came out with their first digital rangefinders, they basically ommitted a UV filter on their sensor. Under certain light the sensor would change colors just like in your example.

Roland.
 
ferider said:
Light. You can see below that 5000k LED have a heavy blue spike in their spectrum (cancels red). In addition, the sensor of your camera might amplify UV (all compared to a flat spectrum of sunlight).

i-8HbttZq-X2.jpg


Hobby photographer’s annecdote: When Leica came out with their first digital rangefinders, they basically ommitted a UV filter on their sensor. Under certain light the sensor would change colors just like in your example.

Roland.
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Ignoring the lighting/whatever my camera did issue: I have the knife in my hand right now. To my eyes the sheath is super dark brown, it's essentially black. Same with the knife handle: it's black, not even a hint of green.
 
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And, for everyone's edification, this is C&P from my original e-mail to the maker questioning the colors:

"On the other hand, color issue aside, the knife is extremely well made, very very substantial in my hand and very sharp!"
 
Albin said:
Ignoring the lighting/whatever my camera did issue: I have the knife in my hand right now. To my eyes the sheath is super dark brown, it's essentially black. Same with the knife handle: it's black, not even a hint of green.
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Make sure you check in sunlight around noon. If it's still the same there, I don't know what happened with leather dye, etc. Note that wrt sheath, I have something similar: a sheath that was dark green when the maker photographed it, and that's basically black now.

Nice knife, BTW.
 
Over the years I've occasionally made a knife for a client with the wrong material or color due to a mistake on my end. I ask for the knife back and make the client the knife with the correct stuff then sell the return.

Seems to me this can easily be facilitated between you and the maker?
 
ferider said:
Make sure you check in sunlight around noon. If it's still the same there, I don't know what happened with leather dye, etc. Note that wrt sheath, I have something similar: a sheath that was dark green when the maker photographed it, and that's basically black now.

Nice knife, BTW.
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I'll do that in about an hour. Thanks,
 
TK Steingass said:
Over the years I've occasionally made a knife for a client with the wrong material or color due to a mistake on my end. I ask for the knife back and make the client the knife with the correct stuff then sell the return.

Seems to me this can easily be facilitated between you and the maker?
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I don't think that was ever an issue. And, for the record, he's already offered that; even including letting me have - and use - this knife while he makes a new one.

So now the only real issues are: Why the difference in colors (curiosity question) and: What do I do about it? aka: Are the colors really that important?

Pondering.
 
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