Are you fed up with slob campers ?

That was you?
Geeze, I was fishing under the bridge and all the sudden there was somebody popping off rounds all around.
I thought he was nutz so I left.
 
bonee said:
If I walked over to a group to discuss their being a holes, no WAY I'd let the gun show. I'd just ccw and shoot the ones who tried something, and put the others under citizen's arrest.
Click to expand...

Fail.:thumbdn:

BOSS
 
think so? I've done very similar things, several times. :-) They stopped/ran, so they didn't get shot.
 
Esav Benyamin said:
I live in a small garden apt building with doctors offices downstairs, and a back porch. Naturally, patients or caregivers will often wait outside on the porch (during the day when we aren't there anyway).

But why when they smoke do they just drop the butts to burn out on the porch instead of flipping them into the roadbed? We even have a dumpster in the parking lot, if they field strip their smokes.
Click to expand...

Interesting. I wonder sometimes if people with different cultural values are to be forgiven for acts that irritate people. Or that some actions are so inherently universaly discusting
that people should know better than to engage in them. I remember how it turned my guts, and still does, with native spitting in the north. The Dene Indians in a northern region up here have this habit of repetitious non stop spitting, which just turns my guts. To the point were I can't even watch them do this anymore.
 
Had an argument with a brother in law once.. While fishing he would eat candy and would just toss the wrapper on the ground.. He asked my sister what is wrong with me as I just flipped on him out of no where. Never again did I see him throw anything on the ground again with me around. I guess some people were never told its wrong... All my nieces know when going camping or hiking no one leaves anything behind.. We always go around the camp ground and look for anything left behind. Its something that you just do not even think about. I'm sure i might have left a few things behind and picked up a few things that someone else left..
Came across a few backpackers who made a camp fire at above 10,000ft elevation and then leave those huge burn spots that would be there for the next 100 years.
 
Nullity said:
Crap. I was a smoker for years and I always assumed the filters were biodegradable cotton, but they are not. Oops. :(
Apologies for past misdeeds.
Click to expand...

Even if they were "biodegradable cotton", they weren't going to biodegrade in ten minutes.
Someone should be able to walk through the forest/desert/prairie ten minutes after I left, and never know I had been there. That's the idea of "No Trace," leave each spot the way you'd like to find it.

Glad you're on board now. :thumbup:

I worked in the forest with a veteran once who always field-stripped his smokes. I never asked, but I assumed he learned it in the military. He'd also, at every ten minute break, pull out a camp stove, heat water, and make a cup of coffee.
 
sasha said:
Had an argument with a brother in law once.. While fishing he would eat candy and would just toss the wrapper on the ground.. He asked my sister what is wrong with me as I just flipped on him out of no where. Never again did I see him throw anything on the ground again with me around. I guess some people were never told its wrong... All my nieces know when going camping or hiking no one leaves anything behind.. We always go around the camp ground and look for anything left behind. Its something that you just do not even think about. I'm sure i might have left a few things behind and picked up a few things that someone else left..
Came across a few backpackers who made a camp fire at above 10,000ft elevation and then leave those huge burn spots that would be there for the next 100 years.
Click to expand...

I cannot figure out what you mean. What sort of ground will be scarred for 100 years by a camp fire?
 
Nullity said:
I cannot figure out what you mean. What sort of ground will be scarred for 100 years by a camp fire?
Click to expand...

Fires scar the rocks and kill the lichen. At a high elevation location, the damage lasts for many years.

Deserts are very slow to heal as well. Some slobs build a bonfire and don't clean up after themselves, the charcoal mess left behind can last for decades.

Instead, build small fires using finger-sized wood, burn it to white ash, and scatter the remains. Or dig out the sod and dirt, contain the fire in the pit, and fill it back when done. So simple.

I'm baffled why people feel the need to build rock fire rings every time they camp out. :confused: So senselessly destructive... :(
 
Bob W said:
Fires scar the rocks and kill the lichen. At a high elevation location, the damage lasts for many years.

Deserts are very slow to heal as well. Some slobs build a bonfire and don't clean up after themselves, the charcoal mess left behind can last for decades.

Instead, build small fires using finger-sized wood, burn it to white ash, and scatter the remains. Or dig out the sod and dirt, contain the fire in the pit, and fill it back when done. So simple.

I'm baffled why people feel the need to build rock fire rings every time they camp out. :confused: So senselessly destructive... :(
Click to expand...

Interesting. A few of the places I hike and camp have the loosely designated campfire spot on bedrock. I never thought it was a problem. Ah well, live and learn.

How is a rock fire ring destructive?
 
Nullity said:
How is a rock fire ring destructive?
Click to expand...

If it wasn't there when you arrived, it shouldn't be there after you leave. Again, it's all about leaving the land the way you found it. Common decency and etiquette towards other people.
There are three-hundred-million of us, all having an equal right to use our public lands. And we should all be able to enjoy it without having to wade through previous users' filth and messes.
 
Bob W said:
If it wasn't there when you arrived, it shouldn't be there after you leave. Again, it's all about leaving the land the way you found it. Common decency and etiquette towards other people.
There are three-hundred-million of us, all having an equal right to use our public lands. And we should all be able to enjoy it without having to wade through previous users' filth and messes.
Click to expand...

I can understand that if you are camping at an off the path, one time use camping spot.

I disagree with it being improper conduct on well used camping spots. Leaving/creating the rock fire ring will designate that spot and keep people from making fires in different spots. Actually, I would consider it more destructive if you tore down an established fire ring.
 
If you're at an established campground, they probably have metal fire rings that are routinely cleaned out.

If you're camping in a spot frequently used by other campers and there happens to be a fire ring already there, I agree, there's really no harm in using it again. I've done the same.

Really though, it'd be best if people didn't camp in the exact same spot over and over. Spread out the impact and give the soil and vegetation time to recover. Once an area has been overused to the point that the soil is compacted or eroded, the vegetation is dead or cleared, and all of the rocks are scarred by fire... it takes a lot of time and effort to restore.

Leaving/creating the rock fire ring will designate that spot and keep people from making fires in different spots.
Click to expand...

Many small fire pits, properly dug and cleaned up, are lower impact than one large fire ring. Build something that looks permanent or semi-permanent, and you're encouraging the overuse of that spot. Build a small no-trace fire pit in a random spot off the trail, and no one will ever know, and it's statistically unlikely anyone would ever dig a fire pit in the exact same spot.
 
Last edited:
I spend time at different sacred sites and special places when I can .
Its seriously cool to see where the wind has uncovered an old fire , if you take the time to look close , very often youll find not too far from it , stone flakes where someone sat and retouched the edges on their tools
people have been leaving their marks in way of fire remains since well , way before European boat people arrived and took over .
I have tho been at places where the fire pits the tourists have made were alll fossil bearing rocks , kinda crazy to me , theyd been diging at the fossils in the rocks , it wasnt like theyd done it unaware .
For me its more interesting to discover a midden of old shells where people stopped and ate for years , hundreds , maybe thousands of years ago than to find a pile of charred tin cans , toilet paper streamers and general crud thrown around .. tho in a few hundred years , maybe these deposits will have archeological significance , who knows ?
 
Myal said:
I spend time at different sacred sites and special places when I can .
Its seriously cool to see where the wind has uncovered an old fire , if you take the time to look close , very often youll find not too far from it , stone flakes where someone sat and retouched the edges on their tools
people have been leaving their marks in way of fire remains since well , way before European boat people arrived and took over .
I have tho been at places where the fire pits the tourists have made were alll fossil bearing rocks , kinda crazy to me , theyd been diging at the fossils in the rocks , it wasnt like theyd done it unaware .
For me its more interesting to discover a midden of old shells where people stopped and ate for years , hundreds , maybe thousands of years ago than to find a pile of charred tin cans , toilet paper streamers and general crud thrown around .. tho in a few hundred years , maybe these deposits will have archeological significance , who knows ?
Click to expand...

Are you saying we should be more active, as a society, at becoming a respectable and interesting civilization so that our crimes against nature will seem less ghastly to future civilizations? ;)

You have neat thoughts sir.
 
well , can you imagine what archeologists would make of what they find in our homes ? the sacred shrines to the dieties knowns as TV and Internet , the minor gods the kids worshiped , xBox , Nintendo .. , the place for ritual cleansing , and sacrifice of paper , tampons and other unflushables ..
the wonderment theyd have digging up an old pub , a place of village gathering , worship of the sacred horse race and football games ..

I think we have interesting enough stuff to leave behind us as it is :)
 
Most modern crap is mass-produced by the millions and is well-documented. There is little chance that archaeologists now or in the future will have any interest. Nor is someone's modern trash left in the forest likely to ever be considered a significant archaeological find. :p
 
HA .. you wait , in 3000 years youll eat them words .. hang on ... oh never mind

seriously tho , some of the most interesting archeology comes from rubbish heaps , theyd not be rubbish heaps , if anyone would have thought the stuff in them would have one day been valuable and interesting again .

the big discoveries here .. discarded tools , trash from making tools , trash heaps .. middens from eating shellfish .. the excavated rubbish piles from the first European boat people

who knows the stashed weapons maybe future finds like clovis points turn up in stashes nowdays , but mad machine gun people instead of clovis people ?

K done stiring :)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top