I think you might be wasting your time Man, They just hate on Coldsteel. They will find ways to downplay or hate on it no matter what the circumstances or situation involved.Coldsteel is making a production fixed blade with a larger chunck of 3v then any other big company( As far as I know..The ZT is smaller and more expensive). Unless you go custom this is probably the best/most affordable item with these qualities on the production market. And instead of getting credit or at the very least just being given a second look Coldsteel is just getting downplayed AGAIN.
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Are your pigs flying, Cold Steel is making a knife out of state of the art materials
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I think you might be wasting your time Man, They just hate on Coldsteel. They will find ways to downplay or hate on it no matter what the circumstances or situation involved.Coldsteel is making a production fixed blade with a larger chunck of 3v then any other big company( As far as I know..The ZT is smaller and more expensive). Unless you go custom this is probably the best/most affordable item with these qualities on the production market. And instead of getting credit or at the very least just being given a second look Coldsteel is just getting downplayed AGAIN.
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If people want to dislike CS, that is their prerogative, but the reasons should have a little basis in fact if they are presented as such. This knife is 7.5" of 0.197" thick DLC coated 3V with G10 handle scales and a secure-ex sheath. The Fehrman First Strike is 7.5" of 0.25" thick 3V with micarta handles scales. Coated blade without a sheath it is $400, with a kydex sheath adds another $25. The Survive! GSO-4.1 with a 4", 5/32" coated blade of 3V would cost $204 with G10 scales and kydex sheath. The ZT 0100 with a 5.75", 0.190" thick DLC coated 3V blade, G10 handle scales, and a nylon sheath has a MAAP of $288. The Warcraft will likely be available for under $200 online with that $310 MSRP. I would really like to know how it is overpriced.
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Some of these yahoo's need to research the current price of 3V. It has doubled in price in just a couple years.
As for 3v not being as "good", or tough or what ever, as some of the other steels mentioned, that's rubbish. 3V is state of the art. I would happily own any 3V knife made, by anybody.
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That's what I want to know - if it's made overseas I would be skeptical that it's really CPM 3V. I don't hate Cold Steel knives, I just don't really care for them for the most part - except for old US Made Carbon V stuff.
can't wait to order this knife.
although I have different feelings about cold steel, I think this will be an awesome tool.
what I dislike is the marketing. they always claim they are the best, strongest sharpest and bla bla.
come on, you also could stab a car hood with a cheap kitchen knife. ... their statements are often ridiculous. "tai pan - strongest dagger point in the world" ... vg-1 strongest point my ass ... make it in some decent carbon steel!
also they don't show how the knives fail in their "tests" - especially the bending test.
but their products are great. i own some of their expensive and some of their cheaper knives. happy with all of them.
don't really like the vg-1 thing for hard use, too brittle for me. would like to see those tantos and black bear classics and so on in sk-5.
their quality control sucks, somehow. my black bear classic came dull like a spoon. my master hunters vg-1 center layer is offset and it seems the steel is too soft (bad HT). my recon 1 was not fully sharpened.
but they are all great knives, I trust them and love using them.
although I have different feelings about cold steel, I think this will be an awesome tool.
what I dislike is the marketing. they always claim they are the best, strongest sharpest and bla bla.
come on, you also could stab a car hood with a cheap kitchen knife. ... their statements are often ridiculous. "tai pan - strongest dagger point in the world" ... vg-1 strongest point my ass ... make it in some decent carbon steel!
also they don't show how the knives fail in their "tests" - especially the bending test.
but their products are great. i own some of their expensive and some of their cheaper knives. happy with all of them.
don't really like the vg-1 thing for hard use, too brittle for me. would like to see those tantos and black bear classics and so on in sk-5.
their quality control sucks, somehow. my black bear classic came dull like a spoon. my master hunters vg-1 center layer is offset and it seems the steel is too soft (bad HT). my recon 1 was not fully sharpened.
but they are all great knives, I trust them and love using them.
Frankly it doesn't matter to me whether it really is CPM 3V or not. If it's made in China (like most of CS' line), I ain't buying it.
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Cold Steel manufactures most of their stuff in China, so I'm assuming that Remmmm was referring to that country when he mentioned "overseas." China sold plastic as milk powder. Lying about the materials used in a product is not beneath them. Nothing to do with skin color. I buy made in Japan products because generally, Japanese craftsmen have integrity and actually take pride in their work.
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Most of the CS line comes from Taiwan.
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Do people ask the same of Spyderco's Taiwan knives? I have never seen it anyhow. In fact the Taiwanese knives in Spyderco's lineup are highly praised. I have had no issue with CS' Taiwan made knives, I might even give them the edge over the Japanese made pieces.
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Taiwan manufactured blades are some of the best I've ever owned in terms of quality & fit and finish as well as value, just saying....
Out of ones I own; Spyderco, CS, Blackhawk, etc., all companies that have knives made in taiwan that are stellar.
Maybe it's time for me to give Taiwanese blades a chance.
I'm going to be completely honest here and say that part of my reason against purchasing CS products is due to their marketing tactic which really just turns me away. I'm not exactly sure why, but even when I started getting into knives, I dismissed CS after the first few advertisements.
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These days I'll take Taiwan over Japan! 
Taiwan has REALLY been kicking serious butt in the knife world these days, and at all price points. As far as heat treatment goes I'm actually pretty confident that they'll do a good job of it. I've yet to be let down by the heat treatment of a CS knife. I actually consider their treatment of AUS-8 to be amongst the best in the industry.
Taiwan has REALLY been kicking serious butt in the knife world these days, and at all price points. As far as heat treatment goes I'm actually pretty confident that they'll do a good job of it. I've yet to be let down by the heat treatment of a CS knife. I actually consider their treatment of AUS-8 to be amongst the best in the industry.The only true test!
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People said the same about Carbon V knives, and worse. Carbon V was not a single steel, it was whatever junk steel they could pick up for the lowest price, nobody knew who made their knives, the quality was always questionable, they sourced from multiple factories, etc. Carbon V was based on 1095CV/50100B/0170-6C. It was based on a steel produced by Sharon Steel. Camillus made the knives. Dan Maragni removed a little nickel and designed the heat treat. This all came from Camillus employees including Maragni.
People said VG-1 was some random stainless that Cold Steel made up to try to ape VG-10. VG-1 is like VG-10 in that it is part of the VG series of steels. They are made by Takefu Special Steel of Japan. They also make SGPS/3G, Gin 1, and Cobalt Special, also used in many knives.
Cold Steel had to replace Carbon V when Camillus went under, so they switched to Taiwanese manfacture. They then used SK-5. A bunch of posts asked what SK-5 was and if it was legit. SK-5 has been used for decades, it is more or less 1085 steel, but other countries are not required to US AISI alloy designations.
Rowan previously made TOPS and ESEE, but before that came to light was anyone questioning the carbon content or heat treat? Were people making the mistake of saying ESEE was better made than TOPS? Yep. People confused the difference in geometry with a difference in steel. How about Camillus Beckers vs Carbon V Cold Steel? There used to be arguments about quality for knives made by the same people with the same steel, like the Vex vs the Tenacious (both from Sanrenmu). It is the same as going to your grocery store and being picky about the brand of milk you buy. They all come from the same dairy farm that is gographically convenient, and the different labels are applied on the same milk. It is okay to question new stuff, but there's no history to make this consideration for CS. The old Japanese made Voyagers came from the same place making the Endura and Delica at that time, IIRC. CS has goofy marketing, but their better stuff is no worse than other comparably priced US brands who offshore production to Japan, Taiwan, China, Italy, and elsewhere.
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