argueing with a mod

[db]

Yeah I know it is never a good idea to argue with a mod. I'm not known to be one on this forum to have good ideas though.
My opinions haven't changed that I posted in this thread
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6047269#post6047269
I'm assuming the comments to bring it into this forum are directed at me. I'll say using your muscle as mod to make your point in an argument or discussion is weak and wrong. Judge jery and... well you know the drill. Your not going to get much respect by playing King. Just because you can do something doesn't make it write.

 

[moonwilson]

I think I hear sharks circling.

 

[greater]

This is a privately owned forum you do not get to make the rules and to be perfectly honest you have no say in the matter unless it is decided you do. Speak for yourself when you talk about others not respecting the mods for "playing king" I don't agree with the opinions of most here however if it bothers you so much I'll tell you what was once told to me by a mod your free to leave. I say if you don't like it get out.
As much as I don't agree with a lot of veiws here I have to say this a great forum to browse and get info. The mods here despite seeing things differently than I do a great job. Imagine doing a job like a mod and having to listen to disrespectful people trash you without getting paid for it.
Ultimately this is not your house, it's not my house call it being protective of my neighbors but I don't like it when people barge into other people's houses that are not theirs and start barking at the owners about how they should behave and act in their own house. I really don't like when people like you try to give the impression that everyone else is participating in your home invasion. Again speak for yourself.
The mods do an excellent job of providing me with a forum to browse through without having to sort through whinning johnny come lately posters such as yourself. I am thankful those posts make up a minority of what is on this forum.

Mods you all are doing a great job thank you. Furthermore the mods here like them or not (and I do like them) have earned my respect regardless

 

[leatherman]

I took offense in the original post, and I stand my my words. When the db says "all" he is trying to tell me how to think, and I dont agree with that.

Besides, I have some "tools" to show you, Personal invite to my chamber, er shop.

 

[SPXTrader]

I think the moderators here do a great job, and put up with a lot more than moderators on other forums.

As for your link to Esav's post, what's so hard to understand about what he said? It makes perfect sense to me...

 

[db]

This is a privately owned forum you do not get to make the rules and to be perfectly honest you have no say in the matter unless it is decided you do. Speak for yourself when you talk about others not respecting the mods for "playing king"

I’m not asking nor am I demanding any rules be changed. I’m voicing and speaking my oopinion for myself like I posted “my opinion? And “I say” in the first post of this thread. This is a forum that I have been a member of and I do think I do have at the least a right to voice my opinion.

I don't agree with the opinions of most here however if it bothers you so much I'll tell you what was once told to me by a mod your free to leave. I say if you don't like it get out.

Really you only want sheep that think the same way you do to come hear? I sure know that isn’t the opinion of Kevin/Spark who does own the forum. In fact one of the reasons he started this forum was because of misbehavior of a mod at another knife forum, and he wanted a place that wouldn’t ban people or delete posts that didn’t agree with the sheep..

As much as I don't agree with a lot of veiws here I have to say this a great forum to browse and get info.

Yes it is in fact it is the best forum on the net and one reason it is is because people can honestly speak their minds even if it is against the mods and even the rules without threats and worrying about being banned.

The mods here despite seeing things differently than I do a great job. Imagine doing a job like a mod and having to listen to disrespectful people trash you without getting paid for it.

Yup they have a thankless job and 99% of the time they do a fantastic job. However, when I see something I think is wrong or unfair I’ll say so. In my opinion that is helpful to the forum.

Ultimately this is not your house, it's not my house call it being protective of my neighbors but I don't like it when people barge into other people's houses that are not theirs and start barking at the owners

Are you for real? This is not Sparks house it is a forum he owns and has set up for people to come and voice their opinions. I feel sorry for you if you think my post and opinion is even close to the same thing as going to someones house and barking at them.

about how they should behave and act in their own house. I really don't like when people like you try to give the impression that everyone else is participating in your home invasion. Again speak for yourself.

People like me? And just what kind of people would that be? Home invasion? Get real and I am speaking for myself.

The mods do an excellent job of providing me with a forum to browse through without having to sort through whinning johnny come lately posters such as yourself. I am thankful those posts make up a minority of what is on this forum.

Johnny come lately? LOL I’ve been coming to BFC since the first week it was started. Heck I was even invited to check this place out before it went public. I myself value the wide range of posts and opinions that BFC invites even if they disagree with me and others. The freedom to voice all honest opinions is what makes this place great.

Mods you all are doing a great job thank you. Furthermore the mods here like them or not (and I do like them) have earned my respect regardless

Yup they do the best job on the net in my opinion. That doesn’t mean they don’t make mistakes and I feel by letting them know when I think I see one is good for the forum. You are free to disagree that is what makes this the best damn forum on the net and I wouldn’t have it any other way.

 

[SPXTrader]

Are you for real? This is not Sparks house it is a forum he owns and has set up for people to come and voice their opinions.

OK so it's not a physical house. It is Spark's domain. He sets the rules. You are free to voice your opinions, as long as you do so within the guidelines Spark has established and charged the moderators to enforce.

I think I hear "Mack the Knife" playing in the background...

 

[db]

I took offense in the original post, and I stand my my words. When the db says "all" he is trying to tell me how to think, and I dont agree with that.

Besides, I have some "tools" to show you, Personal invite to my chamber, er shop.

No thanks. Keep your tool to yourself...

Now really if you were that easily offended I'm sorry that you took offense at that post. I really am a big beleiver in people thinking for themselves.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

The sharks are off snacking on sardines somewhere ...

The problem I see with this thread, db, is that you are shouting in an empty field. Without linking to a specific problem, what are we talking about? Do you disagree with something I wrote?

 

[db]

Esav I disagree with any mod that is in an arguement and results to threatening a ban or banning the person they argue with like I said in the other thread. I thought you said not to post about it any more in that thread and take it to this forum. I thought you were refering to me. If not then I guess I'm done.

 

[Ken C.]

db,

There is a big difference between a discussion and trolling & harassment. severedthumbs made an accusation against me that's false and even after I told him it was false he continued with the accusations. He made it personal. This borders on harassment and trolling. If you cannot see the difference then there is not much I can do to make you understand.

 

[db]

Ken I guess the years of argueing with my old friend CS has thickened my skin. I just don't think that he came even close to a bannable offense towards you. And even if he did I feel since you are the one argueing with him in that case you should remove your mod hat and let someone else deal with the guy without any input from you.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

I just don't think that he came even close to a bannable offense towards you.

He may have come close but he wasn't banned. No harm, no foul, I thought. What would you prefer, that we don't tell people we think they are coming close to the line, just slap them down without any explicit guidance ahead of time when they do step over it?

We do have the FAQ which for many purpose is pretty clear. Should we go by that? Our decision, and BOOM, out of the blue?

 

[db]

Esav what is this we stuff? I have been saying and said the one who is argueing with the guy not everyone. I thought I was clear on the point a mod who is threatening a ban shouldn't be the same mod someone is argueing with. I guess I don't know how to make it any clearer than I already have and I hope this post is helping clear it up. Hey if I'm getting close to that ban let me know...

 

[sunnyd]

db,

First, let me say I typically find you about 99% of the time very level headed in the threads that we(you and I) have participated in together. But after reading EB's posts several times over I find them diplomatic and thoughtful as he just states the 'rules' position.

Second, arguing with a mod on the forums is just never going to result in you winning the call. I liken it to referees in a football game. If there is a flag on the play you usually take the penalty.

Thirdly, I will impart a little advice if I may and Lord knows I have disagreed with moderators on this forum before. I will never argue in the thread where we(the mod and I) diagree, but rather plead my case respectfully in a PM or a private email. In the end however, its still they're call, but, if I still disagree with them after the private exchange of our(me and the mod) positions on the subject are completed, I make no bones about saying so.. just my .02 worth.
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greater,

Last but not least, IMO, your post # 3 in this particular thread frankly seemed way over stated and gratuitously rude to db. And frankly calling him names such as a "Johnny come lately" to a member that has been with this forum for 10 years, stated from a member who just just joined up here 2 years ago eludes logic and makes no sense to me.

Anthony

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Esav what is this we stuff? I have been saying and said the one who is argueing with the guy not everyone. ...

1. WE, meaning all the moderators here. WE are all concerned with the dynamics of this kind of disagreement, even if WE don't all express ourselves the same way. I don't mind you telling me to butt out, but I cannot.

2. For your information, Ken C. and I are close friends and neighbors. Doesn't mean we agree on everything, but for all our differences in expression, we do actually agree on most questions.

 

[db]

Sunnyd your correct. The post that started it all was made by Ken C and I agree with your views on Esav's posts. I don't recall Esav threatening a ban.
esav and ken you can sure do what ever you feel is correct. However, I don't think a mod in an arguement with a member and threatening to ban them is a classy action or a very respectable move. It is clear to me that you two are close friends and that also produces a degree of bias. I think I will just take the good advice of Sunnyd and try and quit posting on this point.

 

[Keith Montgomery]

I don't believe that a mod has the right to ban, or to threaten to ban a member just because they are arguing, but if the member decides to disrespect the mod during the argument, then banning is fine by me (even if done by the mod involved in the argument). It is against form rules to sass a mod.

 

[Ken C.]

I don't believe that a mod has the right to ban, or to threaten to ban a member just because they are arguing, but if the member decides to disrespect the mod during the argument, then banning is fine by me. It is against form rules to sass a mod.

severedthumbs could have argued with me all he wanted. I would not have minded but when he made it personal he stepped over the line. No matter how much members may disagree with each on this board we do not have the right to insult them and continue to insult and harass them when asked to stop. As you can see I did not ban severedthumbs. I gave him a stern warning that it could happen if he continued, maybe not by me, but by another Super. I try not to ban members that have attacked me personally as others may feel that it was done to be vindictive. Sometimes I have no choice and at that point it is pretty clear why it was done.

 

[sunnyd]

Sunnyd your correct. The post that started it all was made by Ken C and I agree with your views on Esav's posts. I don't recall Esav threatening a ban.
esav and ken you can sure do what ever you feel is correct. However, I don't think a mod in an arguement with a member and threatening to ban them is a classy action or a very respectable move. It is clear to me that you two are close friends and that also produces a degree of bias. I think I will just take the good advice of Sunnyd and try and quit posting on this point.

db,

You're good folk.. Its all about respect for one another when it comes right down to the nut cutt'n. Humans are the same all over. And I think you are doing the right thing by letting the subject die at this point. Try to put yourself in the moderators shoes just for a little while. Its a thankless job and nearly all of them do it because they are passionate about our cool little play ground here. Personally, Id rather take a hard beating than moderate for even one shift in some of these heated debates. I don't know about you, but I am going to go and grab a cold one now.