argueing with a mod

[Blues]

Well, I hope this matter comes to a peaceful conclusion soon because db (Bill) and sunnyd (Anthony) are friends of mine and I value their presence and contributions on these forums.

And what Anthony said (above) goes for both of them. Though we are friends they have taken me to task in the past (privately via PM) for either remarks or decisions made on the forums and despite any disagreements those friendships remained intact or maybe even strengthened.

I have relied on Ed and Ken for support regarding forum business and know that I can count on them when needed and that they can count on me if they need my help.

I don't always agree with the decions or opinions of other moderators or super moderators but a line must be drawn between how we perceive and act toward them as individuals on the forum and their (oftentime thankless) roles as moderators on the forum.

Disrespecting someone when they are acting in their role as moderator on the forum will have consequences that just differing with their opinions as "members" of the forum will not or should not.

I agree with Bill (and I know that Ed has brought up this very matter in the past) that a moderator involved in a disagreement should not be the one (if at all possible) to take punitive action against a member on a personal matter. I have always tried to recuse myself in such instances and rely on my fellow moderators to take the appropriate actions in those cases.

Anyway, if need be, (in the interest of getting past some of these hurdles) I hope you guys can just agree to disagree and move on.

 

[db]

I'm chilling a very tasty New Glarus Staghorn O-fest. Anyone else that decides to have one and wants to post about it come over to community and the beer talk thread.

 

[SIFU1A]

FWIW i've been around here a long time, i honestly cant recall any mods ever using there position as a mod to "muscle" anyone, and i have had a disagreement or 2 with some of the mods here about this or that, and i just have never seen them use there position as a mod like that.

ken and esav are both good people imho, imho esav is as easy to get along with as anyone on this forum(or any forum for that matter), bar none, & nothing wrong with ken either,

i'm sure all this will get worked out,

 

[greater]

"frankly calling him names such as a "Johnny come lately" to a member that has been with this forum for 10 years, stated from a member who just just joined up here 2 years ago "

Okay so it seems the the Johnny come lately here is me my mistake doesn't mean what db is doing is right. I must appoligize for calling him that. I do think that some mod/mods here may be also owed an appology by someone.

 

[db]

Listen, I like Ken too. He and I have been very friendly to each other in the past and I see no reason that will change. I disagree with alot of my friends and we remain friends. I know almost all the mods hear and like them. and like most of the time I post something I probably could do it or say it better. I will say I continue to think both Ken and Esav are great guys and good mods even though we may disagree on some things.
I think I've said all I want to on this.

 

[Cougar Allen]

There is a big difference between a discussion and trolling & harassment. severedthumbs made an accusation against me that's false and even after I told him it was false he continued with the accusations.

Has that ever happened in TGB&U before? Has anyone ever made an accusation and then when the person accused denied it continued to make that accusation? What will TGB&U turn into if that kind of thing can happen???

In this particular case the accusation is obviously false, and there's a way to prove that. It's called reasoning. Not banning the guy to make him shut up, not intimidating him into silence by threatening to ban him -- just showing by reasoning that the idea is wrong. (If everyone who posts that he believes Mike Stewart is honest says so only because he was bribed, Stewart must have invested an enormous amount of money in bribing all those people. He could never hope to get enough return to justify that investment.)

When the same person tries to both act as an advocate for one side in a dispute and to moderate the dispute, things can get confused -- and then when you start taking things personally things can really get confused, in the minds of others if not in your own mind....

There are a lot of moderators at Bladeforums. That could mean it's easy to divide up responsibilities so nobody gets stuck without any alternative but to try to moderate a dispute he's also participating in. Or it could mean with all those moderators there are often disputes that attract some of that crowd of moderators to one side and some to the other, and if they all feel it's appropriate to use or threaten to use their powers as moderators in a dispute in TGB&U there are going to be a lot of cooks stirring that pot.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Which makes some kind of sense if anyone was threatened with banning, which no one was ... but even a moderator caught up in a heated discussion can remind people not to step over the line.

We had a couple of instances of people disagreeing with members-who-are-moderators and these people brought that moderator status into the discussion, which the moderators had not done. Was reminding them that this implicit criticism of their ability to moderate is not a good idea?

 

[Cougar Allen]

Which makes some kind of sense if anyone was threatened with banning, which no one was ...

I think there was more than one threat, but don't have time to look for them all at the moment.

Care to explain why you hold a grudge against Mike Stewart Mr. Kimball? Could it be because Mr. Stewart banned you from KF from trolling? How about JD? Banned there, too. Oooh, what's this...Microholics banned you too? Wow, impressive. Oh wait....you got banned from USN for...trying to rip people off?!!! My goodness. You have been busy.

Now, do you really want to continue the harassment or should I just go ahead and ban you now?

Please, go right ahead. The choice is yours.

Make it easy for me.

I should probably mention here that he denied having been banned from any of those websites.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

That guy is a different case altogether. Oops! he denied it ... oh, well ...

His problem stems more from what he is than from what went on in that discussion. But if we are going to discuss it, we need the entire context, and (sorry to punk out on you like this) I have better things to do today.

 

[Cougar Allen]

The context is linked to in the first post in this thread. (I think some of the posts in the main thread in the current Mike Stewart debate are also part of the context.)

better things to do today

There's a lot of that going around -- well, "better" is a slippery concept, but certainly more pleasant. It's a beautiful autumn day here....

 

[Spark]

This was an ugly situation. Personally, I'm glad it's over, or at least that SnarlSlayer got his money back. I don't know Mike Stewart from a hole in the ground, so I'm going to keep my mouth shut about this, but I think that some people should step back and look at how they acted.

 

[michdad]

I think that some people should step back and look at how they acted.

Just my .02, or hopefully .01 if it aint worth that much. I agree 210% with the quoted statement. Some should just step back. That said, some should just keep quiet, maybe having a bad day. Some are just looking to stir up troubles. Some have just snapped. Hopefully I never step into the last 2, as I do enjoy the time I have spent here. I commend Spark and all of the Mods here for keeping Bladeforums a place to enjoy for all it's education, entertainment, and overall enjoyment.

Matt