Army Regulations!

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If anyone here is in the service, please tell me what Army Regs are regarding blade or overall length. I'm a Plebe (haze me all you want) at West Point, and one night I was examining my new Randall Model 14 (from my parents) when my Squad leader knocked on my door. He saw the knife and said it was too big, gotta take it elsewhere.

Anyway, I just ordered a couple Livesay neck knives, cuz they are smaller than my Spydercos, and they can't have a problem with em. If anyone knows what restrictions are, I'd like to know so taht I can quickly get a knife taht is as large as possible, just to spite regs.
 
Most commanders can set his/her own regs regarding knife possession depending on the mission and duties performed. However you are in a training environment so you basically cannot own sh!#. If I were in your position I'd go with a small SAK so I wouldn't jeopardize my military career. Good Luck.
 
Stiletto,
First off, allow me to extend my congratulations to you for having been accepted to West Point. This is quite an exceptional accomplishment and one for which you can be justifiably proud. Who knows, if your SAT scores had been just a bit higher, you might have even been accepted to Annapolis. LOL ;):D Just kidding (but get used to it;)).

As to your blade question, you should have access to USMA regulations which will spell out in black and white exactly what is allowed regarding knives, etc. My advice to you is to follow these explicitly.

Once you graduate and are commissioned, however, restrictions on your knife ownership will likely ease up substantially. You still want to be mindful of base regulations, but BOQ room inspections are not nearly so frequent nor rigorous as the troops' barracks inspections. And should you choose to live off-base, then you can own any blade you like. Good luck and study hard.:)
 
Congratulations, and good luck with your career! You are starting at an interesting time ...

Read the regs. It's the only way to go, but

What's up with teaching you to fight and kill our nation's enemies only you can't own something you might hurt someone with? I never understood that.

Don't let it bother you at this point, though. Some day, you'll be the Man, and you can tell your troops to carry whatever they need!
 
>"If anyone knows what restrictions are, I'd like to know so taht I can quickly get a knife taht is as large as possible, just to spite regs."

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I'm no military expert, but this seems like a really dumb idea and a crappy attitude. You're darn lucky to be at West Point - why jeopardize that? Forget spiting anything - if I were in your shoes, I'd do what they tell me, work hard and keep my mouth shut. Then, at graduation, I'd treat myself to a well-deserved knife of my choice to celebrate. Just my two cents.
 
I know what I have at stake, and I'm not going to do anything to risk that. You learn to just accept the inconsistancies and quirks of the Academy to make your life easier.

I'm really excited to be here, and I can't wait to get out to the Army. Being an officer is the only thing I can see myself doing.

BTW, once I get the regs issue cleared up, I'll be asking for suggestions on a field knife (my Randall, besides being a no go as far as size, is really too nice for me to use without feeling guilty.)

Thanks a bunch.

Go Cowboys, God Bless America, and BEAT NAVY!
 
My advice? Until you get to your active duty unit just use your issued bayonet. Don't make any waves you don't have to in such a politically charged atmosphere - you've got too long a time to "serve" to jeapordize the career connections you'll be making there... Last thing you need is to screw up your class standing.

Kevin
 
Man, if not for low scores on the mechanical apptitude and common sense battery of exams you could have been saying



GO NAVY!!!

:D

But I guess some folks look better in berets anyway ;)

Good luck at the Academy.
 
Stiletto,the advise has been taken care of already,good BTW,what I would like to say is more along the lines of a request.When you eventually become a leader of troops,please remember the feeling that you got being told by the upperclassman,"it's gotta go",extend to your men the right to carry knives of their choice.It means a great deal to many enlisted men to be able to carry a knife that "they" like,without the fear of confiscation.Hope you have a great career,and always take the high road,if you know what I mean.
 
Yes Regs are stiffer during training/academic enviornments. Once you get to your duty station regs ease up. However many units set there own regs on knives. For example our Battalion says 6" blades are the limit.....but our CO says 4" in our company.
 
I will certainly remember to let my men carry what they like, but I will, of course, have to give "guidance" if they show up with one of those 15 dollar chinese "survival knives" with "surgical steel blades" and Rambo type serrations.

Also, I would like to dispell the rumors of West Pointers having low test scores. I scored a 1430 SAT, 32 ACT, and a 99th percentile on the ASVAB. Beat the, Navy Boys.
 
Beat the, Navy Boys.

mechanical apptitude

I'd do some proofreading B4 sniping on each other. :)
 
:o

Me fix ship, not spell so good, product of state school.

Impressive test scores by the way.

Sincerely,

Og Yvan
 
Dont know about the US army, but in the Australian army we were not allowed to have anything sharp during initial training....not even a SAK or leatherman....Scissors were risky as well.
Instead, they gave us blunt-as-hell bayonets for the Steyer that we were not allowed to sharpen or allow to get rusty. (both were chargable offences....)

My advice to the rebellious: dont stuff up by breaking rules. Be the grey man, and you'll do well.

Lorax
 
Stiletto,
The regulation your looking for is USMA Reg 190-13, Physical Security and Crime Prevention. If you can't find it on the USMA Intranet, call the Provost Marshal at 938-4585/5207 and ask for someone in physial security and ask them. As a plebe in October, you know better than me if you have any spare time to go to the Provost Marshal's office in person to look at the reg (fat chance). A Randall, huh? I can tell you THAT is going to be too long (blade length)for keeping in the barracks. I've seen the local regs vary from folder lengths of 3" to 5" being allowed (fixed is different). As an example, here is part of the regulation here at Bragg (from FB Reg 190-12):

Chapter 9

9-1. Prohibited Items and Prohibited Acts.

a. Except as otherwise provided, the following items are prohibited on Fort Bragg and deemed contraband subject to confiscation:

(1) Prohibited Knives: Fixed blade knives having a cutting edge in excess of two and a half inches, except when carried openly in the pursuit of a lawful purpose such as hunting and fishing. Any stiletto, switchblade, gravity knife, bowie knife, sword, or spear is prohibited. Nothing in this prohibition is meant to apply to household utensils such as kitchen knives, ice picks, scissors, meat cleavers, carpet knives, pocket knives with blades up to five inches in length, wood working tools, and other similar items when they are used for their intended lawful purposes. Tomahawks, swords, or other similar items are also exempt from this definition when used exclusively for ornamental, ceremonial, or sporting purposes.

Now, I'm not saying that I agree with it, like it, or am the author of the above...just providing it as a reference.

2.5" fixed blade length--this is more restrictive than many Posts, but their is always a caveat to this (at least for soldiers that aren't in a TRADOC environment). Most fixed blades (to a degree, I guess: good guide [that someone else on here used] is 7" blade length max) are allowed in the field, but not in garrison...I keep my personal M-9 bayonet on my LBE...but it stays either in a locked locker at the office or at home when I'm in garrison.

Could go on, but this is turning into an epic. Understand that as much as you like individuality, a plebe in October ain't gonna get much of that--we want to ensure that "you" understand the welfare of the whole is more important than the individual. Before you know it, though, you'll be out of Hudson High, and your responsibilities and decisions will increase (and affect) others ten-fold. So concentrate on that (and remember that you learn things from the good AND the bad (or idiotic).

Glenmore
 
Bronco, Esav and others have given you good advice. You truly have an opportunity of a lifetime at the USMA. If they told me to carry a 1/2" POS folder behind my ear, I would do it. Seriously congratulations.

My daughter seeks Annopolis and wants to be a spook. My son seeks West Point and wants to command battle troops. I wish you the best.
 
Old topic but all things considered, I'd check out some of the nice folders available and spend more time on higher priorities.

While at Annapolis I started a small collection of fixed blades and still have them. I don't have a clue as to the regs back then and nobody said anything. That was then ...

Considering icarian's post,
... Nothing in this prohibition is meant to apply to ... pocket knives with blades up to five inches in length ...
There are a bunch of nice knives in this category and there's no need to push/bend the reg's. Fixed blades are great field tools, but my daily carry is a Benchmade 940.

Like Annapolis, West Point is a great place to be from. It's a quick 4 years. Enjoy, the real work comes later.
 
As far as the blade length thing goes, I have talked to other guys,
and I guess it really depends on what company you are in. One guy I talked to today (on the way to a shoot in Jersey for Skeet and Trap team) has several Microtechs and a SOG Seal 2000 in his room, and nobbody cares. I guess I'll just wait until I get scrambled to my next company.

I was reading everyhting posted, and I should note the locations of several of my friends. One Zoomie (USAFA), three Midshipmen (USNA), two enlisted Navy and an enlisted Air Force round out a group of my closest friends. One of my best buds (starting at Harvard this fall) wants to be a spook, but he is going to the NSA. I have a lto of respect for the jobs that everyone does, from fixing broken Jarheads in Japan to training to fly F-22s.

I love the fact that everyone here looks so favorably upon the services, and wish you and your relatives good luck in their aspirations to serve our nation.
 
Stiletto - here's an offer for you, to show my appreciation for your service -

If you graduate in the top 25% of your class, drop me a line, and I'll buy you the knife of your choice, up to $1000.

Even though I'm from a Navy family :-)
 
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