ARRGGHH!!!! My a/c fuses keep dying.

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Let me begin by telling you, I know very little about owing a home or fixing stuff. Thankfully we have an air/heating guy that lives next to us, and he is pretty friendly. I've bugged him a few times this month already, so I hope I can get some answers here. So far, we've lost our central air 4 times due to blown fuses (replaced fuses 3 times so far). My a/c is non-functional right now. Can anyone PLEASE tell me why these fuses keep dying. I noticed they say 30 amp (maybe watt?) 250V on them (could it be we need different fuses?). We have really hot weather, and my job forces me to wear nicer clothes and I really hate sweating while I'm trying to get ready for work. Can ya' help me, PLEASE? Thanks.
 
If your fuses keep blowing you either have a "short" or an "overload". In either case changing the rating of the fuse IS NOT reccomended. I think you will need to call a professional, or buy your neighboor a case of beer.

Edit to add that if it runs for at least a while when you change fuses it sounds like an overload. Could be a motor going bad, or the system is overcharged with refridgerant.
 
DaveH said:
If your fuses keep blowing you either have a "short" or an "overload". In either case changing the rating of the fuse IS NOT reccomended. I think you will need to call a professional, or buy your neighboor a case of beer.
Belive me, I'm not going to do anything quick and stupid when it comes to messing with electricity. If either is the case, will I need to get a professional to fix this? How much will it cost? and around long will this take? (please just assume that I have a "normal" setup)
 
And one more thing, where is the source of this short and/or overload? Is it coming from the house or the unit?
 
Your air conditioner needs fixed and its nothing that you can do. Probably needs a new compressor.

Mark
 
How much it costs depends on what's wrong. Shouldn't take more then a couple of hours to fix.

An A/C system has at least three electric motors. One for each of the following inside the house air circulation fan, refridgerant compressor, outside the house air fan (unless you have some other sort of non air cooled unit). If a motor is going bad, it will probably cost at least a couple of hundred to replace the air circulation or outside air fan. The compressor motor will likely be more expensive because it will probably be spec'd higher. You may have a condensate pump but that's probably not the problem.

In the mean time check that all you air vents are uncovered, that the outside unit is free of debris, the fins cleans and there's no blockages of the airflow.

Cross you fingers that you don't need you whole electrical service updated.
 
Minjin said:
Your air conditioner needs fixed and its nothing that you can do. Probably needs a new compressor.
Mark
Our A/C is around 14 years old now, and noisy (it's from loose or maybe bad bearings, so says my neighbor). Also IIRC (maybe not) that my neighbor said we'd be better off buying a new one that paying to replace major A/C parts. Any thoughts?
(BTW, thanks for the help, I really appreciate it, you'll all get green point from me.)
 
Thanks for all the help Dave, I wrote that last bit before you replied. I think I'll have a talk with my neighbor, he's a nice guy, and I'd rather pay him than someone else to fix this.
 
A 14 year old unit uses Freon refrigerant. Servicing this unit is very expensive. And if the technician goofs up and ends up venting the coolant? Very expensive indeed. Having this unit removed will also be an extra expense because the Freon has to be removed. However, that Freon is like gold these days, so they very often don't charge for the extra labor and just take the Freon as payment.

Fuses are designed into equipment with the intention that they will never blow. Engineers carefully select the right fuse so that as long as the equipment operates normally, it will never blow its fuses. What this means is that when fuses blow, something serious is wrong. Blowing fuses should never be taken lightly... and never bypassed or replaced with bigger fuses.

14 years old? Get a new unit. Today's units are so much more energy efficient you will notice the change on your electric bill. And today's units work better and quieter too.
 
Dang, now I'm going to have to sell my Busses. NOT.
Seriously, thanks for all the info.
Gollnick, one thing that my neighbor said was that the fuses blew on this unit about once every summer, for the past few years,(as in the previous owners) which contradicts what you said:
"What this means is that when fuses blow, something serious is wrong."
Please don't take this as an argument, I'm just looking for an explanation. Thanks.
 
The behavior you're getting sounds like the normal for somethign getting old. The accumulation of wear and a tear slowly eats up the performance and takes more electricity to keep running. Used to be once a year conditions where such it crossed over the line and blew a fuse. Just like as a car gets older once in a while something goes wrong.

After some additional years of wear and tear, it's now reaching that state more often then it used to.

You probably will get better performance from a new unit, OTOH, if you can bandaid and fix a motor for a few hundred, it might be worth pursuing.
 
How bad is the heat this summer compared to the past? Overheating might be contributing to the problem as well.

Seriously consider Gollnick's suggestion of replacing the unit, it sounds like the current one has been showing signs of wear for quite a while. If you are drawing enough amps to be blowing the fuses the energy cost is probably very high for the performance you are getting, a new, more energy efficient unit will be a very worthwhile investment.

As for hiring the fellow next door to do the work, always get a few references and check them out. It may be insulting to go to someone else for the job, but if he does it and you are not happy with the results it could get a whole lot worse.
 
If your neighbor doesn't check out, find out when he's gonna be gone on summer vacation and have it replaced then. When he gets back say, "it caught fire one afternoon. Fortunately, I was out in the yard doing some weeding and saw it and put it out with the garden hose before the whole house caught. But, we were having weekend guests, so we had to have it replaced right away. So, we got someone else to do it. Sorry."
 
Thanks for all of the advice. When he came over fix the fuses a second, I even asked him what I owed him, and he said, that fuses were cheap, no charge. So I grab some of his lawn's weed when I'm out there. I appreciate the thoughts, although, as of now, I think he's the really, I'm pretty sure he has his own small business doing this, and I'm sure he's experienced. But I definately will shop around and get a price quote before I do anything.
 
For starters, A/C units blow fuses when the system is shorted or overloaded. Start by having a well recommended professional come out and look at it(standard Operating Procedure). Fuses can be blown by a variety of things, Gollnick however is correct, the system is designed to not blow fuses.

You can look yourself, by examining both the inside(furnace/airhandler) and the outside(condensing/heat pump unit) for loose, shorted, or unprotected wires. Sometimes an animal may chew through the electrical wiring causing the wires to be exposed. This could cause an occasional short, which could blow the fuse. Make sure before you examine the wires you shut the breakers and thermostat OFF(remove/shut off disconnect to outside unit, and unplug/switch off furnace as well), you don't want to be touching hot wires.

A compressor going out could be the cause of this. A couple of questions:

Does the system not cool very well when it does run?
Can you tell of it is the condesing unit fan motor of the compressor making the noise?

Somethings that can put a load on the system, blocked vents, stopped up furnace/air handler filter, blocked up Evaporator coil, and blocked up condenser coil. Make sure your vents are open(one or two closed, won't make a big difference), make sure your filter has been changed, and wash the outside condensing unit out with a water hose.

To wash the unit, turn it off and turn your water hose onto a medium-high setting, then gently wash in an up and down motion while moving slowly sideways. DO NOT just spray the water hose on the unit in a sideways fashion it WILL close the thin aluminum condenser coil fins up, causing more of a load.

After you've done these things, replace the fuse again and try it, if you find loose/exposed wires have a professional replace/fix them. I would advise against attempting to fix them yourself.

Finally, if the compressor is/has gone out, it will cost more to replace the compressor than the unit, if it is 14 years old. Parts for old units are not cost effective to replace. At minimum chances are a new unit is more efficient than you old one, typically units 14-15 years old are 8 to 10 seer units, minimum SEER efficieny these days is 10 seer. Normally, with our customers we recommend a maximum of 12 seer units, as in Texas we dont realize the efficieny of a 13+ seer system. However, in Ohio you may see beneficial gains by going as high as 13 or 14 seer system. If you do decide to buy a new high efficieny system, beyond perhaps 14 seer you will end up spending more than you will save. Another thing to note, this will be the last year you will be able to purchase a 10 or 12 SEER A/C system, effective Jan. 1 2006, the government has mandated a minimum of 13 seer standard efficieny rating for A/C systems. Keep this in mind, because 10 and 12 seer systems cost about 30% less than 13+ seer systems.

In case you're wondering about the credentials of this post, I work my father in a family owner/operated HVAC company in Texas, I've spent the last 5 years working for my dad, and he has 45 years experience here in Texas. Where the A/C and the guy selling beer are the two most loved men. :D

By the way, with all costs added in a new condensing unit can(would here) run you between $1300 and $2200 dollars. Depending on size, SEER efficiency, labor difficulties, etc.

-Rob
 
All of this sounds like a government office building in which I once worked. It was built in the 1930s and the a/c system looked like something out of an old Charlie Chaplin film. When anything broke, there were no replacements and they had to send the broken part down to Fort Belvoir for the U.S. Army Engineers to hand make new ones. Gads, what a nightmare that place was, what with the rats and the cockroaches as well as the heating and a/c problems!
 
FullerH said:
All of this sounds like a government office building in which I once worked. Gads, what a nightmare that place was, what with the rats and the cockroaches...

Yes, government buildings do tend to have rats and cockroaches in them. Some even have insect and rodent infestations too. :D






Sorry, Hugh, no personal reference intended. I just couldn't resist when I read your wording.
 
Does the fuse blow when it rains? The reason I'm asking is that ours does. Interesting, huh? Well, it turns out that our crappy apartment has a leak and water is seeping into the wall behind the fuse box. I verified this the other day when I saw water steadily dripping from the bottom of the fuse box. Kinda freaked me out. Anyways, I just sent an email to maintenance to see if and when they'll get on it. Just thought I'd share some information. I hope you're not having the same problem I am. :)
 
I've got a heat pump/air conditioner and and about every year or so the fuse blows. No big deal, I just turn off the circuit breaker and replace it.

Since it happens so infrequently I just don't worry about it. The fuse is a lot cheaper than a service call.
 
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