Ascent & Goddard Lightweight.....

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After TWO weeks, the knives that I ordered from a DISCOUNT internet dealer, who shall remain nameless, finally came in. I got myself a Benchmade Large Ascent (plain edge), and my girlfriend, who is a southpaw, got herself a Spyderco Goddard Lightweight. These are my inital impressions, I haven't cut anything yet except for arm hair.

The Benchmade: First my druthers. The screws that retain the clip are torx, which in itself isn't bad, but they are in an uncommon size. I had to search for hours in town to get the T8 that I have, I think these are T6's, and I am not going to run all over town to find one of those. My other main gripe is that the grind lines are uneven. It looks as if the guy that put the edge on was right handed, but I am not sure, that is just from looking at how the bevel was ground. It really looks bad, and I wouldn't have been proud of it if it was my job. Being that this knife is is going to be my daily carry knife, and will be subject to unrelenting abuse, this edge won't be around to bother me too long. The texture on the handle isn't as grippy as the Goddard, and is only on one side of the handle, which I find a bit upsetting. The handle as an overall "slippery" feeling to it, whereas the Goddard feels almost "cleated" to my hand. If it were not for the exceptional finger groove in the Ascent, it probably wouldn't hack it for an everyday carry knife.


On the plus side, the handle is fairly ergonimic, and facilitates a plethora of grips comfortably. At first it seemed a bit over engineered, but after playing around with it a bit, it really is comfy. There is a finger index below the blade screw on the underside of the handle that is really handy, a feature that the Goddard Lightweight desperately needs. Despite the poor looking edge, it did come to me fairly sharp, as my bald left arm can testify to. The blade itself is a pleasing shape, and though it gets a little thin to be a hard utility knife, it does seem to give a good compromise between the utility and tactical worlds. I will now institute the first ever Mikey rating scale in the evaluation of this knife.
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Durability(will know more after more extensive testing,but tenetivly)=
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I will add another post for the Goddard in a few....



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[This message has been edited by Yekim (edited 23 January 1999).]
 
Now the Spyderco's turn. Before I get shot because of my previous Spyderco bashing because of their pricing policies, and now my apparent scabbing, I have to mention that this knife is my girlfriend's. I did help in the choosing of the knife. I kept to myself my personal feelings about Spyderco, and I felt that an unbiased opinion would be best in the search for her first "real" knife.

My druthers....No adjustment screws...I know that they aren't the most necessary things, but I like them. The blade has a slight bit of play, but that is to be expected with a Zytel Handled folder. The handle itself seems to be missing something too. The shape makes it difficult to choke up on it, and the handle's width is at its narrowest where my index and middle finger rest, making it slightly uncomfortable. It really begs for an index notch or two(I.E. like the ascent). My other main complaint is having to e-mail somebody to get a price. That ^$%#&*@ sucks.

On the plus side...this is one Helluva knife overall. It has a good heft, and feels a bit heavy in the blade. The blade maintains its thickness up until the las half inch of its lenght, making it suitable for serious utility, and should withstand heavy prying. The grips texture is excellent, and has a real sucure feeling. Overall, this knife is a fairly conservative design, and doesn't exude the typical Spyderco "funnylookingness" (My GF said that the Endura looks like a fish, and wasn't fond of its shape.).

Now for the ratings...

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Durability(tenatively, but since a girl will own this knife, we may never know, or know all too well, time will tell)=
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YeK

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[This message has been edited by Yekim (edited 23 January 1999).]
 
Thought it about time I stopped lurking and posted something.
I have had my Ascent (3.5in blade)for 2 weeks now, I also was not impressed with the edge grind however a bit of time on my Lansky gave it a razor edge I am happy with. I have only used it for light work, food preparation and light garden work and am happy with it. Holds an edge well. It has become my daily carry knife as where I live in the Tropics my AFCK is a bit heavy and noticeable in the light clothing, whereas the Ascent is lighter and conceals well. My job involves a lot of personal contact and a visable knife does not go down too well with some people, especially with our local constabulary. I agree with Yekims evaluation and also wish Benchmade would spend a bit more time on their edge grinding. the edge on my AFCK was also the same.
I am waiting on my Goddard lightweight to arrive so can't comment on that yet.
Love this forum, have gained so much information and it is good to see others share my fascination with sharp things.
Take care all.
 
Re: BM's edge grinding: AMEN, brothers! I have had 2 Strykers, 2 Leopards, and a Sentinel all with really cruddy grinds.

Yek, if you get a chance, try the small Ascent (820). It's really great. Alot slimmer than the Delica with the same length edge.

Also, I took my dremel to my medium Ascent and roughened up and expanded the index finger groove. I like it much better now. I also put small grooves in the zytel along the lockspring, kinda extending back the thumb ramp.

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Hey, Yek -

The place to get your Torx drivers is the Craftsman Tool department of your local Sears. They have the full range of sizes. I picked up the correct sizes for my Ascent there. HTH.

Whitebear
 
I couldnt find those itty bitty torx drivers at my local sears store but I did find them at Frys
 
Well, based on WFORD's reply, I guess I should say Sear's will GENERALLY have the Torx drivers...

Thanks for the input!

Whitebear
 
I have been fighting the factory grind on my ascent for three days now, and I have come to the conclusion that I will have to go and use my parent's lansky to get anywhere. I have a porcelin rod that I use for the bulk of my sharpening needs, but the steel of the ascent it much too hard for me to make any progress with the porcelin. I find it hard to believe that a company that boasts of their quality in their advertisments could possibly ship such crappy work. I know that the Ascents are the bottom of Benchmade's line, but it is their largest seller, and thus it is representstive of their other products. I have heard that the AFCK suffers in this manner, along with their other series of knives.


My venting aside, I am not too dissappointed with this knife. I do find that the blade profile is a bit pointy for my needs, and will probably take off the last 1/4" and give me some upward curve at the tip. The length lost will be negligable, and It will allow me to remove the point on the butt of the knife handle. This will make for a little lower profile when carried (I carry tip up).

On the other hand, my girlfriend LOVES her Goddard lightweight. She has been practicing her snapopen and is getting better at it. Next I will teach her how to draw and snap it open in one move. I don't think she has actually cut anything with it yet, but she has spent hours playing with it and just looking at it. I think that this is a good sign
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Call me Crazy, but I did it. I actually dremeled up a knife that I have only had since Saturday. I used the cutoff wheel to lop off the point of my Ascent, and then the grinding wheel to re profile the tip. I had a cup of water on hand and constantly diped the blade before it got hot. The blade is now exactly 3.5" (originally 3 7/8") and has a useable belly. I really like the new profile, and it will serve me better the nthe original point.

I also removed the last 1/4" from the handle with the cutting wheel, and sanded it smooth by hand. It looks almost factory.

I must admit that the ATS34 gave me quite a challenge, it seemed to be twice as resistant to my dremel than the 440 knives that I have had previously. The cross section that I cut through was barely 1/16" thick, but resisted my dremel like a much thicker peice of 440a.


hmmmmm....maybe I am into knives to satisfy my dremel addiction
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Yek
 
I betcha that you thought I was done mucking up my new Ascent huh? HA!

I felt that the new tip profile was a great improvement, but the knife still suffered from a bit of resistance while cutting cardboard. Polish time! I removed the blade from the handle (Voided the warranty, but I hear that those Benchmade warranty guys are pretty busy anyways, that and I had already lopped off the tip). First thing I did was spend about an hour and a half sanding the blade with some 320 grit wet/dry. This got rid of most of the vrtical lines left from the machining process. Some of the lines are pretty deep, and still show a bit, but only if you look close. Next I greased up the blade (One side at a time) with some Iosso GunBrite and attacked it with my Dremel and a buffing wheel. The resulting finish is bright and shiny, but not a mirror polish. I would have had to spend alot of time with the sand paper to get it that smooth.

What are the advantages of doing this? Well first off, you get a a smoother action. The hinge area gets nice & smooth and develops a felling that can only be duplicated by years of breaking in. Secondly, it cuts better. It will cut better in almost every way. Stabbing cardboard has become a whole new experience. Despite the more obtuse tip profile, the polished blade encounters much less resistance when cutting into cardboard, and most likely, anything else.

The disadvantages are that you will wonder why benchmades cost so darn much, and that you WILL develope a new appreciation for those custom makers that offer a mirror polish on ATS34 or other high tech steels.

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I was considering the possibility of pictures today, but I don't have ready acces to a scanner, so it might be a while till I get to it. I will check with a friend tomorrow and see if he would be able to help me out, then it would just be a matter of posting it, I haven't figgered that part out yet.
 
Don't have much experience(any really) with the Ascent, but I do own a C16. Great knife!
The texture of the handle is really grippy, it fits my hand to a T, and the knife has a very nice slim profile and the blade shape doesn't scream tactical. It is also scary sharp! Put it on my Lansky and did the edge at a 20 deg bevel, matched the cantle almost exactly. Matter of fact it is the closest I have come to matching a factory edge cantle ever without any fussing about. Anyways the knife is sharp, thin profile, of very high quality more so than CS lock backs, and it is very liteweight. I also purchased a CUDA at the same time, which I lost during the Super bowl intermission, and outside of being ticked I lost the damn thing I don't really care if I ever find it again. I like the C16 that much. In the meantime I purchased a MOD Tempest to take the place of the CUDA. Another very excellant knife. The only complaint I have with it is that I suspect one, used it in transit. Like maybe a clerk at the P.O. Can't prove it but it appears that way to me. I know the box was opened before I recieved it. But this knife too is extremely well made, razor sharp(now) and is small and very unobtrusive to carry. I owned at one time a Micro Teck M/A, and this knife in my humble opinion is better. Least ways to carry. There is 0 play in the lockup, has a good thick liner lock and great ergonomics.
Doesn't make my pocket hand down either. Both the C16 and the Tempest are great knives, a very good bargain, and I recieved both in less than a week from Brian at Discount Knives. Also the CUDA in less than a week, cause I ordered it at the same time as the C16. Anyways I am going to procure one more and am leaning towards the fix blades, something along the lines of the Marbles Trail Master series. Any opinions on this knife? Keep'em sharp.
 
Longbow,

I have hesitated to mention this fact, but I have had packages tampered with, and knives opened, apparently in transit too. The boxes (priority mail) most always appear to have been opened/crushed, and the knife boxes inside appear to have been opened. It may be that the knives were inspected before shipment, which is fine, but the damage to the outer box makes me wonder. My mailman is quite an oaf, and pretty unreliable and worthless. I get catalogs that have been opened, magazines subscriptions that don't make it, and other mail squished and stuffed into the mailbox. Yek



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I bought the midsize Ascent, back before they had the larger and smaller ones, and when they were still called the Eclipse. The edge grind on it (plain edge) was perfect (well, nothing's perfect, but I wouldn't know the difference), and the same on either side of the blade. Yeah, maybe BM's quality control has slipped, but this was my experience.
 
Outlaw,

It's not that the grind lines were outrageously outa whack, but they were uneven. This is to be expected when you buy a $15-20 Gerber or something else cheap. But for a $50 plastic handled knife, you would expect just a little more attention paid to the blade than another company's knife that only costs half as much. That and Benchmade is always advertising about how much quality is put into their knives and how they have tolerances within .005" and such. It sorta leaves you with the feeling you have been lied to.

On another note, Benchmade has announced a new series of Ascents, featuring a thumbstud and a drop point blade (of course I find this out AFTER I spend all that time reprofiling the tip of my Ascent to get a more drop pointish profile). I look forward to this series because I prefer a drop point, and I prefer thumbstuds too.

My girlfriend has continued her attempts at destroying her Goddard Lightweight. After some prying (trying to get a locked trunk open) there were some small nicks on the edge, but nothing really serious. She still really likes it. The Goddard still seems to like her because it hasn't made any attempts to attack her.


YeK



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I have seen the ads in the magazines for the new Ascents. They look like the Cougar/Panther, or whatever (the linerlock with the aluminum handles). I got really excited when I saw that, until I decided to plunk down the money for the Axis Lock (710?). It should be in either today or tomorrow. You never know, though, I may have to get one of the new Ascents (375?) anyway. I, too, am a BIG fan of drop point blades (seems to me a tanto done right <G>).
 
Everyone,
how were the tips on your Ascents. My BM830 came with a rounded tip, sharp but certainly not a point like my AFCK. Is this the norm??
 
My Ascent WAS pointy....not after surgery though...hehehe


YeK


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