At which point do you sacrifice practical utility for high performance?

I love to talk about high performance brand-new items but I tend to choose moderate, traditional, time-proofed one.
I love my SVEA 123 stove, particularly.
I also love my traditionally constructed steel frame road racing bike.
I love time-proofed M2 tool steel as the heat-treatment guys know exactly what to do.
 
I love to talk about high performance brand-new items but I tend to choose moderate, traditional, time-proofed one.
I love my SVEA 123 stove, particularly.


Exactly. :)
 
I don't consider high performance and practical utility as mutually exclusive. In fact, I consider high performance an intrinsic part of the practical utility value an item has for me. And without practical utility I could never consider an item as high performance, just useless.

I like a pragmatic approach and money isn't the limiting factor, what an item does for me is. If it works it is retained. If it's needlessly heavy, leaks, goes rusty, breaks, or in some other way fails selection I have a simple solution – pop it in the bin.

Performance without qualification is a strange notion too, performance at what? How am I to determine performance? A good example for me is boots. I used to spend a lot of money on overbuilt boots no matter what the season. From a performance point of view they could be argued as better than what I often currently use. Tank like build quality that could take Yeti gaiters and all that. However, although in absolute terms they were better they were not better for me for most of the year. Their performance was down on what other boots could do because they were darn heavy and stiff. Now for most of the year I use technically inferior boots and gaiters that only cost about £100 [$150 USD] and they work better because they are lighter, more flexible, more comfortable, and I don't care that they can't take the punishment winter boots can.

Below are some pictures I've recycled from the pics thread for illustration:

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That's a Silnylon tarp made by me. I don't know of any other fabric that can do what that does. Silnylon tarps are a great opportunity to dump a bunch of needless weight without any penalty at all. High performance utility value.

The yellow mat inside is one of my old Karrimats from the original and now defunct Karrimor range. I was spending about £25 or so [$40 USD] each on those and they aren't anything more than a bit of pressure blown closed cell foam. Given that's a ways toward the cost of some all singing inflatable job some may think that's odd. I enjoy the properties of them and still do. There's nothing to go wrong, and because they are pressure blown not that cheapo chemically blown crap they are durable but also very flexible. I regard their performance as very high but I'm sure others may not.

The little lantern on the right is £6 worth of OEM. It burns for days on 4*AAA and chucks out more than enough light. I'm pretty sure some bright spark might point me to a heavy Surefire super one for £300 and call mine rubbish. I don't care. I used four of them outside in a blizzard. I stuck four upturned plastic containers that bulk spindles of DVDs come in over the top and they were immune to it.

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That's my MacPac Cascade pack. I've had that for years and anticipate having it for many more years. How do I judge the performance of that? When I wanted a good pack for hauling load I wanted the best I could find. At the time, before MacPac was bought, the Cascade was it. It was the trekking pack to have for carrying big loads in comfort. I jumped all the domestic stuff and looked to the Australians because they seem to have more skilled people in that area. I actually got it in New Zealand after talking with a bunch of folk that go walkabout for extended periods with huge loads. It is heavy when empty but as I've said here before the actual weight isn't always the most important thing, perceived weight is. The way that pack is built makes heavy loads feel more comfortable and lighter to me. By my standards that's high performance and utility value but I bet it would get marked down for weight in Bobble Hat and Mint Cake Munchers Monthly.

Barring the hat it's also worth noting that I am waterproof from head to toe. I've heard enough of the modern fabrics are fragile to last me a lifetime and frankly that isn't the case. For simplicity and using Gore-tex as a generic term 'cos there are loads of other great options too I'm going with three broad classifications: 1] townie leisure, 2] military grade, 3] technical mountaineering. Whilst it is true that townie leisure jackets aren't particularly well suited outside the high street, carrying a flask and sandwiches around Kendal, or bicycle riding , that isn't true for the other two. One needs to look beyond the actual waterproofing bit and see what it is laminated or bonded to. What is the construction of the rest of the garment. Strikes me that modern kit works brilliantly on some of the most inhospitable expeditions for a reason and I doubt Harkila earned the reputation it has if their hunting gear couldn't take the pace.

Below is me playing silly in the woods. I am Gore-tex head to toe, this time in some German army bib and brace trousers. As you can see I have a half built nest, and I don't baulk at crawling around if need be. No condensation problems, tough enough, and totally waterproof. I'm going to call that high performance and practical utility. If that isn't I don't know what is.

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I think about the only things I have that don't really have a great wide range of performance and utility are natural fibers. I've got several pairs of polycotton trousers from Craghoppers, Regatta, Rohan and I just don't like them. I have them because they are light and cool but as a trouser they leave much to be desired. I prefer an all cotton cargo trouser and obviously they suck in the damp if unprotected.

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There's drawbacks with those gloves too compared to technical gloves with synthetics and Nomex. But they are tough and I can grab the vicious thorns, brambles, thistles, and hot coals in them, so I have pairs of those scattered all round the place. Even with these though it's hard to say that I have sacrificed much high performance for utility value 'cos I don't need them to be able to do anything else well, and they perform well at this.

Weatherproof and comfortable. My mileage on that will never vary.
 
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Good topic and what that I think most of us struggle with. I've gone "bushwhacking" and in some the more dense areas, less durable clothing and equipment just gets torn up. Of course, I'm moving more slowly and not as far, but durability is the top priority. When hitting the trail to get a good distance out, I much prefer light-weight material. I think there is a balance that can be found. Titanium, silicone-impregnated nylon, fast-drying insulation clothing and sleeping bags (or woobie), water bladders over hard water containers...

When I've hiked around the back of our lake, I would never consider carrying my Osprey or Gregory packs...they would get shredded; I'll grab my Badlands or Kifaru as they can take the briars, stickers and dense bush abuse with no issue. Of course the pack weight is significantly different; I just appreciate the lighter weight construction of the Osprey packs for trail hiking.

Wool, oiled or heavy duct canvas, steel and leather will always be timeless and effective outdoors gear. I think adapting and integrating some of the new technology with the time-proven performance of natural materials, you can find a good balance for what your activities are. Wool will always be a part of my clothing list in cold weather, but I'll make sure I have a good synthetic shell to go with it.

My wife broke two of those Light My Fire plastic sporks...she now has a titanium version which is much more durable! Not all technological advances have been proven in tough field conditions. Also, understanding limitations is critical such as knowing you can get too close to a fire with a silnylon tarp.

It is when we start to substitute technological performance for skill, than we have gone down the wrong path. I don't think I'll ever go to the complete traditionalist route with wool and duct clothing, oiled canvas pack and leather moccasins, but I have a huge amount of respect for those that do as they must focus on more skill to compensate for the weight. The good news is that we can choose what works for us personally and still enjoy the outdoors, practice some traditional skills and with a little knowledge and precaution, avoid situations that would lead to disaster.

ROCK6
 
Baldtaco brings up a great point about military surplus…inexpensive and durable. I’ve seen equipment from several different countries and, including ours, the days of “the cheapest bidder” are really long gone. Some crap still exists, but for individual equipment, I’ve seen some extremely high-end and well built clothing and equipment. Some of the older surplus clothing and equipment exists from the ages of durability over weight and while that’s true the performance is pretty darn good for the price. It may not be the most comfortable (think ALICE packs), but it’ll last. Our new equipment (priced similar to high-end mountaineering equipment), especially the latest “RFI” draw I received before heading to Afghanistan was very impressive.

Most technical companies of outdoors gear will use “mil-standards” as a marketing tool and try to get some military contracts. With that said, I often look for durability depending on the item. My test subject is my son. I love him to death, but the little bugger is extremely destructive and can break, bend, rip or destroy just about anything. Some things he outgrows so quickly, I don’t need to worry about long-lasting; others must be “mil-spec” so they can survive him:eek:!

ROCK6
 
Come to think of the word "traditional", today time-proofed items should once had days when
they were brand-new cutting edge technology. Carbon steel was a material of wonder
in bronze days. Which means, some of the items of high-performance today may survive challenging years
and join the hall of outdoor classic items. I love to imagine which one of today's latest items
lasts the tests of time and tough environment.
 
I don't consider high performance and practical utility as mutually exclusive.

agreed- there are certain lightweight materials used in various pieces of gear (packs/clothing/etc) that are not bombproof, doesn't mean they aren't practical or high performing

titanium- has replaced all of my cooking bits (including my stove), it's very tough stuff and very light- yeah it costs more, but I've made the choice that the weight savings are worth the $

dyneema- used in some lightweight packs (other apps as well)- this stuff is very light, but still very strong/wear resistance

sil nylon- as mentioned by others, well proven out as far as durability and function at a significant reduction in weight over other materials

spectra- used in cordage, fishing line, etc- very strong, but very light

while these and other "high tech" bits might not have any role in a mountain man rendezvous re-enactment, they are not worth dismissing out of hand for those that venture into the backcountry
 
Come to think of the word "traditional", today time-proofed items should once had days when
they were brand-new cutting edge technology. Carbon steel was a material of wonder
in bronze days. Which means, some of the items of high-performance today may survive challenging years
and join the hall of outdoor classic items. I love to imagine which one of today's latest items
lasts the tests of time and tough environment.

I think that is a great point. I pick the stuff I like that has stood the test of time in the traditional gear category and couple it with the stuff that I think will stand the same test of time in the future.
 
I guess this topic is kind of riding on your definition of high perofrmance. What I was thinking of when I started the topic were all the new lightweight high speed products out there-all the fancy hardshells and construction materials that the outdoor sporting world peddles to us nowadays as something one MUST have for outdoor use. Just flip through the Outdoor Buyer's Guide and you'll know what I'm talking about...
 
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