ATS 34 question

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I'm about to heat treat some ATS 34 for the first time on my own. I noticed that to get a 60-61 Rockwell hardness (it's a kitchen knife) you could temper at either 300 or 950 degrees. Is there an advantage to one temperature over the other?
 
From what I have read. the higher temp will cause the metal to loose toughness and corrosion resistance, but it hasnt for me at least that is what I use the lower end. I treat mine using the crucible tables for cpm154 though. I have always been told that ats 34 is just like 154cm and I treat it that way and it works for me at least.
 
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Rusty is correct. IIRC, the high range improves something to do with performance under high heat conditions - not generally important with knives. The high range reduces corrosion resistance and toughness - both very important in kitchen knives.

The crucible sheet Rusty links to recommends the high range be avoided. Where did you get you specs from? 300 seems like a pretty low temper. 400 should give you about 59. This steel is a great example of how cryo can give extra points. Do you have any source of dry ice available?

Plate quenching also seems to give an extra point on its own.

I think I'd be tempted to go at least to 350.

Rob!
 
I'd stick to 400 F. With thin sections like knives an plate quench you'll get a bit harder. LN cryo will get you 1-2 HRc points also.
 
I agree with Mete, if you plate quench and cryo, the usual 400F should get you into the range you're after.
 
Thanks everyone, I did plate quench the blade and I do have a good source for dry ice for a cryo treatment. I appreciate everyone's advice.
 
The cryo increases hardness by reducing retained austenite, thus increasing the amount of martensite you have. RA can reduce fine edge stability. So cryo improves this kind of steel by reducing RA, and thus improving fine edge stability, the extra HRC is just gravy. However, to be most effective, the cryo needs to be a part of the quench, not added on later. In fact, I recommend skipping even a snap temper on stainless and going directly into dry ice mixed in acetone or into an LN mist. It should probably soak for a couple hours, though this is an area of some debate.

My experience on the subject of RA and cryo comes from functional experiments I've performed on D2, and from conversations with and experiments with Paul Bos. Otherwise identical blades with the same Rockwell hardness perform dramatically different, depending on the timing of the cryo. By dramatically, I mean one can still shave hair, the other has edge roll visible at arms length.

If you didn't include cryo as part of your quench, I'm sure you'll still have a fine blade, but you may want to re austenitize if you want it to resist roll when sharpened at acute angles. It makes a big difference in D2, it probably does in ATS34.
 
from my experience ATS-34 is going to a get a little brittle on a fine edge at 61rc. You can always try it and temper down a bit in hardness later (if you can take off the handle!)
 
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