Attention all South African knife community

I gave this a quick read...seems like you won't be allowed to have any fun there :-/

But what changes from the current laws are in this proposal?
 
You need to tell those writing the legislation that the plural of knife is knives not knifes :D

What part of the legislation are you talking about? It seems that you're allowed to carry a knife if you don't commit a crime with it or intend to use it for criminal activity.
 
Nordic Viking said:
You need to tell those writing the legislation that the plural of knife is knives not knifes :D

What part of the legislation are you talking about? It seems that you're allowed to carry a knife if you don't commit a crime with it or intend to use it for criminal activity.
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Who decides if you intend to use it for criminal activity and what do they base that judgment on?
 
Chiller2 said:
Who decides if you intend to use it for criminal activity and what do they base that judgment on?
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I guess the context. We have similar laws in Sweden and I can walk into a nursery school with a double barrel Mora sheath and not raise an eyebrow and walk into town with a hidden screwdriver and be stopped for carrying an illegal weapon. It's all in the context.
 
Germany is getting the "legal reason" BS, too, but it only applies to one-hand-folders and fixed blades over 12cm. The other knives remain free to carry. Outside of cities no reason is required for carrying the so called "dangerous knives".
After all, I can still carry everything, but in some circumstances I have to watch out for cops and explain my reason for carrying, if a LEO discovers my one-hand-folder in a city, which he won't.
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Most ridiculous BS you ever heard, he? At least the price for disobedience will be relatively small.
 
It looks to me like the biggest impediment is with the new sales requirements.
 
I have also recieved this information. It seems Mark Ager is trying to get all the importers, sellers, etc involved.

I believe he has spoken with some attorneys, etc and it seems that some of the larger importers/ retailers are getting involved too. When i got the original email from kreature i sent it off to everyone i could think of, which may have an interest in the knife business as well as the bow and general SD interests.

I have some friends on the SABA board and they are still fighting the government on some of the laws they are trying to implement with regards to bow hunting. This new proposal would surely be of interest to them as well.

Hopefully it doesn't get to the stage the new gun laws did. From over 700+ gun dealers in RSA to 80 in just a few years.

One day some one in government might realize that PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. No knife has ever commited a crime without help from a person.
 
Chiller2 said:
Who decides if you intend to use it for criminal activity and what do they base that judgment on?
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The answer to this question in the US legal system, for example, is that intent is established by either action or words. So, if you actually use it in an attempt to harm or threaten someone illegally (not in self defense or as a peace officer, etc.), then that establishes that you had intent to use it illegally. Alternatively, if you tell someone that you are going to use a knife to hold up a liquor store, that also establishes intent to use illegally. This might happen when a criminal tells a friend of his plan, or when the criminal is talking to his victum, verbally threatening to use a knife on him, or in response to police questioning. As long as you don't use it illegally or tell someone that you intend to use it illegally, it is not possible to establish intent.

This would be the requirement in a courtroom. On the street, it is a little different. A cop has to make decisions in the moment according to his best judgement. He could theoretically make an arrest that does not stand up to the above principles, but those principles should eventually prevail in court.

I would assume that the legal systems in other democracatic countries would have similar principles, especially those based on English law, which I assume is the case in SA, but there are probably some parts of the world where intent is decided in a much more subjective way.
 
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