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[fitzo]

Rant on:

I just listened to a very popular Nightly News anchor describing Cheney's hunting accident. He called Cheney's shotgun a "weapon".

I'm just wondering if any of you guys have ever heard of an "attack quail" or "killer duck" such that a sporting firearm becomes an actual "weapon" while hunting?

Jagoff media and their steenkn agendae..............:barf:

Rant off.

 

[micad]

There's no rhyme or reason to the liberal left! They have an agenda an no amount of facts could ever persuade them that they are just flat WRONG!

But to be fair with them (though they would never return the favor) I can see how one would think of a shotgun as a weapon. In fact it is just that if it is used to deliberately inflict harm on another. Just like when some one gets stabbed with a ball point pen or deliberately run over with a car or clubbed with a base ball bat.

To be more precise the only true weapon is that desire/intent which resides within one's heart and mind.

-Mike-

 

[fitzo]

Funny you should mention that baseball bat, Mike. Here's a note I sent the news people (NBC):

It is somewhat ridiculous to hear you folks call a sporting firearm for hunting upland gamebirds a "weapon". I have yet to hear of someone needing a weapon to protect themselves from an "attack quail". Your repetitive misuse of terminology regarding guns lends credibility to the popular assumption that the media have a serious agenda they are willing to promote by 'flavoring" the news with carefully crafted psychological propaganda. Not all firearms are weapons. Baseball bats have been used to kill people, but you don't constantly mislabel them weapons.

Why do you call it "news" when you bias the way it's reported? Nightly Commentary by Brian Williams would be more appropriate.

Michael Fitzgerald
Waukegan, Illinois

Of course it won't do any good, but it felt good to bellyache and perhaps it might have pissed off one of their toadies. BTW, during the newscast they described it as "Cheney's hunting weapon".

 

[Steve Hayden]

I didn't hear the term weapon used. I just saw the news tonight for the first time this weekend. I did hear he hit the guy in the face.

I have been hunting for over 40 years and have never shot at anything I couldn't see. Every year there is some fool who shoots someone who they didn't see. The news implied that the guy walked back up behind Cheney and suprised him. It sounds like they suprised each other. It's a good thing they weren't after elk.

It sound like Texans in Colorado. (one of the reasons I left there in '72).

Misuse of guns like this feeds the propaganda mill and makes the ignorant think even less of hunters.

Added:

Those who were in the Army probably remember the basic training chant:

"This is my weapon and this is my gun;

One is for fightin' the other's for fun."


He He He

 

[fitzo]

It was the Sunday edition of NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams.

I thought it was sorta funny to hear they chase the quail in a vehicle and then get out to go bust the covey? Is this common? I've heard of horseback, so I guess a vehicle would be appropos for executive types.

I hunted pheasant, Chukar, grouse, duck and goose for years but we always seemed to be expected to walk....shucks! I hunted at a club for a couple years and we had a dentist member we called Doctor Death because he was quite prone to shooting without being aware of the other hunters on the farms. We learned to automatically turn away from the sound of the shot so the pellets would bounce off our canvas clothes. I got dusted a number of times. Gotta be careful where you track a bird in the air.

The good news is, if you don't have enough brains to avoid shooting your hunting buddies, you too might be Vice President of the USA some day!
Added: that's a joke, BTW, for those that may be offended. he's certainly smart enough. An accident implies just that, bad occurence without intent.

 

[Dan Gray]

Mike
I heard it on the radio this morning and about Cheney but it was a bigg haha
with the hosts ( taking about Cheney that is..) so I thought that was a good one for us..
bird hunting is for the knowing for sure, I hate hunting with a new guy..

 

[micad]

Just had a thought...........You know, if a man is going to shoot some one, can there be a better target than an attorney????????????

 

[Dan Gray]

Just had a thought...........You know, if a man is going to shoot some one, can there be a better target than an attorney????????????

an in-law:foot:

 

[R.Coon-Knives]

Weren't shotguns referred to as trench sweepers in WWI? I believe they were the "weapon" of choice for trench warfare. Sure would be mine. I think they were limited by Geneva rules or something.

I don't think that the evil liberals want to take away all guns - no one is seriously proposing that. Maybe some of the assault quail guns and rabbit RPG's and deer machine guns, but not all guns. Some folks like to portray the libs as wanting to take away all guns just to get a certain segment of the population to think a certain way. And they just follow right along..........

 

[Mark Williams]

Dont worry. The Global council will solve all out peasentlike problems when we are under their rule.

Dont worry about that little chip they want to put under your skin, it's for your own good.

To bad Cheney couldnt have taken Hillary hunting with him. And a few million other lawyers.

 

[Dan Gray]

Weren't shotguns referred to as trench sweepers in WWI? I believe they were the "weapon" of choice for trench warfare. Sure would be mine. I think they were limited by Geneva rules or something.

I don't think that the evil liberals want to take away all guns - no one is seriously proposing that. Maybe some of the assault quail guns and rabbit RPG's and deer machine guns, but not all guns. Some folks like to portray the libs as wanting to take away all guns just to get a certain segment of the population to think a certain way. And they just follow right along..........

yes they do ..
you have the point right there
they are and will take a little at a time until we have no rights left..we have the right to bear arms and it's being taken away from us slowly. it's like SEX on TV they are desensitizing us a little at a time. they will win.., it's right there to be seen and is happening right now before our eyes we just need to look and see. the media,
lack of parenting and lawyers are the three most problems we have today, it's a bal of power and who's winning?

I was trusted with many fire arms and more in the service why don't they trust me now? GUNS do not kill it's the one that pulls the trigger and I don't care if it's a scud missile they don't kill the one that hit's the button kills.
my guns protect unless I'm hunting then it's a tool to kill with ...if the bad guy doesn't give reason to kill him it still just protects, it's not a weapon unless it's used as one..I'll bet I can kill someone faster with a baseball bat or 2x4 then with a gun 50 % of the time.. the bad guys will have the AK7's
when we have no rights to them.. think about this
why did we have a bal of power with the USSR, it was so each could protect ones self..and wouldn't dare push the button.. just what would have happen if they had 50% more fire power than us?
if I put a sign on my house , trespasser will be shot upon illegal entry and you don't have the same on yours next door, who's house are they going to rob first it won't be mine I'll bet you $100.00..
sorry Rant OFF

 

[fitzo]

Weren't shotguns referred to as trench sweepers in WWI? I believe they were the "weapon" of choice for trench warfare. ..........

Ray, my point was that one doesn't accurately refer to a hunting firearm as a weapon in normal use any more than you normally refer to a shovel as a weapon when you're digging dirt. Using the term "weapon" implies use other than hunting. Bash someone on a head with a shovel intentionally and it becomes a weapon, too. Situational meaning. The media misapply it intentionally.

 

[R.Coon-Knives]

I just don't understand the perception that the media is biased toward the left. It's a great (Carl Rovian) ploy by the right to say so. That way they can point to anything negative that is said about the right as an attack by the left. Would you say that large corporations are promoting the liberal agenda? Have a look at this "slightly biased" website and read about the media and who owns it:

http://www.rageagainsttheright.com/media.htm

"The media" are owned by large corporations. Large corporations do not support the liberal agenda. It is not in the best interest of the stock holders. And that is the only thing that guides the corporations. News reporting has become infotainment. A missing white girl in Aruba gets covered for days and weeks while other major stories get a few minutes.

Once a day or less you might see something about our open borders to the north and south and the thousands of shipping containers on the media but they won't cover it because it is a failing of this administration. You can't deny that this is a major problem and the administration is doing practically nothing about it. How in the world can you protect a nation without protecting the borders? There are waves of criminals coming through those borders because of the "easy pickens" here in the US - you and me.

What kind of administration cuts funding for police and first responders when crime is increasing and people feel that they have to have a loaded gun in every room? This is not the America that it should be. I used to be able to go away and leave the house unlocked and not worry. Not any more.

Last night on the news I saw that eleven thousand (11,000) mobile homes that cost three-hundred million dollars are sitting in Arkansas slowly sinking into the mud because of the poor management by the government agency in charge. At the same time they are paying millions to house people in hotels. And that is just part of the waste surrounding Katrina. Do you hear anything about it from the "liberal media" who is always bashing the administration? Nope. But if Bill Clinton were still president there would be several congressional commissions looking into it and the media would be having a holiday. Speaking of Clinton. He had two issues: Monica L. and Whitewater and the media and the congress tore him apart for years. A BJ in the whitehouse and a land deal that he was not involved in and they spent millions and years on investigations. The present administration has numerous issues involving corruption, possible election tampering, waste, cronyism, a poorly planned and executed "preemptive attack" on another nation that has taken the lives of 2500 soldiers and marines and put us BILLIONS of dollars in debt to China and Saudi Arabia for many years while making us incapable of action where it is needed (Iran, maybe N. Korea), and very little is said about it. Strange way for the "liberal Bush bashing press" to act.

 

[fitzo]

Ray, you're making this a much larger political issue than the simple misuse of the word "weapon" I originally mentioned. I don't care if it's liberal- or conservative-oriented, the media manipulates. The line between unbiased reportage and subtle activist commentary has blurred, regardless of affiliation. I think we agree on that, don't we? Perhaps they're just uninformed idiots who don't understand the difference between using a gun as a hunting arm versus a weapon, and I've simply given them more credit for intelligence than they deserve.

 

[R.Coon-Knives]

Jagoff media and their steenkn agendae..............

 

[butcher_block]

CNN last night had a cut away shell to show what was in them you would think they would have got that right at least
NOPE COPPER PLATED AND FROM THE LOOKS OF IT IT WAS OO BUCKSHOT
at last look i was thinking shot size more like 9 or 12 for small birds
they must have don that to make it easer for the ppl at home to see the BBs
CNN can go away anytime it wants to i ll not miss it

 

[fitzo]

I'm having a hard time understanding what you're arguing here, Ray. There is sufficient scrutiny of the media that derides "editorializing on the front page" that I don't think I am too far off base in my comments. I'm not being partisan. You even said it is "infotainment", so you recognize the inadequacies, too.

 

[Dan Gray]

I just don't understand the perception that the media is biased toward the left. It's a great (Carl Rovian) ploy by the right to say so. That way they can point to anything negative that is said about the right as an attack by the left. Would you say that large corporations are promoting the liberal agenda? Have a look at this "slightly biased" website and read about the media and who owns it:

http://www.rageagainsttheright.com/media.htm

"The media" are owned by large corporations. Large corporations do not support the liberal agenda. It is not in the best interest of the stock holders. And that is the only thing that guides the corporations. News reporting has become infotainment. A missing white girl in Aruba gets covered for days and weeks while other major stories get a few minutes.

Once a day or less you might see something about our open borders to the north and south and the thousands of shipping containers on the media but they won't cover it because it is a failing of this administration. You can't deny that this is a major problem and the administration is doing practically nothing about it. How in the world can you protect a nation without protecting the borders? There are waves of criminals coming through those borders because of the "easy pickens" here in the US - you and me.

What kind of administration cuts funding for police and first responders when crime is increasing and people feel that they have to have a loaded gun in every room? This is not the America that it should be. I used to be able to go away and leave the house unlocked and not worry. Not any more.

Last night on the news I saw that eleven thousand (11,000) mobile homes that cost three-hundred million dollars are sitting in Arkansas slowly sinking into the mud because of the poor management by the government agency in charge. At the same time they are paying millions to house people in hotels. And that is just part of the waste surrounding Katrina. Do you hear anything about it from the "liberal media" who is always bashing the administration? Nope. But if Bill Clinton were still president there would be several congressional commissions looking into it and the media would be having a holiday. Speaking of Clinton. He had two issues: Monica L. and Whitewater and the media and the congress tore him apart for years. A BJ in the whitehouse and a land deal that he was not involved in and they spent millions and years on investigations. The present administration has numerous issues involving corruption, possible election tampering, waste, cronyism, a poorly planned and executed "preemptive attack" on another nation that has taken the lives of 2500 soldiers and marines and put us BILLIONS of dollars in debt to China and Saudi Arabia for many years while making us incapable of action where it is needed (Iran, maybe N. Korea), and very little is said about it. Strange way for the "liberal Bush bashing press" to act.

I just don't understand the perception that the media is biased toward the left.

you said left not me..and you said you don't understand that could be a problem..

you can't tell me copy-cat acts wouldn't happen less if the media didn't plant it in the sick minds, from the Boston strangler to Columbine. freedom of speech has killed as much as guns have if you want to look a little to the right of that left..there is no good straight answer but when we want just part of the whole, then the bal is shifted.

so do you think we should have our rights taken from us, the rights our forefathers guaranteed us? the ones we and I fought for???.. and still have free speech ?
for those that do, I hope you live in a great neck of the woods.., if not you may as well put a sign up saying here I am, a lamb for slaughter come get me...
of course this is only my opinion.

 

[R.Coon-Knives]

The administration at first put out that the guy that was shot was "lightly peppered" - they told this to the press. I just read that the guy had a minor heart attack because a shot lodged in his heart. Does that sound like "lightly peppered"? Is this mis-reporting the fault of the media or the whitehouse? The media is scared sh*tless to offend the whitehouse. Do you think that NBC (who is owned by General Electric - a huge defense contractor) is going to offend this, very vindictive, administration and lose big defense contracts? I don't think so.

I agree with you 100% about our gun rights. But I am concerned about all of our rights. Why defend just gun rights while other rights seem to be being eroded too.

Do you own your own home? Well, maybe. The supreme court says that emminent domain allows developers to have your property condemed to build a shopping center, etc. For "the greater good", I guess.

It isn't explicit in the constitution but it seems we have always assumed that we are entitled to privacy in our homes, papers, etc. Apparently not with CIA eavesdropping. Why won't the allow oversight by the congress?

Freedom of speech? We can still say what we want, we just can't get it out there unless it says the right thing, vis. Bush and his orchestrated town hall meetings where only the friendly can enter and speak. Speak all you want, but you can't be heard unless approved. Thank God for the internet. And watch for them to tax or otherwise control our access to it. Our access is being consolidated into the hands fewer and fewer large companies.

Are you free to travel? Maybe not soon. There is a move on to not allow even American citizens to leave and then re-enter the country without a passport. (Unless, of course, you just want to walk over the border at the Rio Grande.)

Will you be allowed to just die with some dignity when your time is up and there isn't a chance that you'll ever recover. Maybe not. You may not get that choice, but doctors, hospitals, and pharma will make a lot of money as everything you earned during your life is used to prolong your death.

So, when you talk about being "desensitized" think about the issues above also. We're headed down a slippery slope with all of our rights. And Karl Rove is doing a fine job of manipulating the US with distractions and "wedge issues" like gun control to divide the nation at a time when we should all be pulling together.

Rant off.

 

[Dan Gray]

So, when you talk about being "desensitized" think about the issues above also. We're headed down a slippery slope with all of our rights. And Karl Rove is doing a fine job of manipulating the US with distractions and "wedge issues" like gun control to divide the nation at a time when we should all be pulling together

well,there you go yes still desensitizing
we should all be pulling together yes but it will never happen because to
make a point in politics you have to be totally left or right, why?
they need a mediator..they are worse than kids,
I'm right and you're wrong, no I'm right and you're wrong,
then they go get laid and add it into over time. VOTE
get 10 years in and none of them have to worry about it..we pay for 50 % of them being wrong..they all can't be right
I want half my money back..