Awesome Archery Skills

Scott Free said:
Whatever it is to which you are referring, I'm missing it.

Skepticism is healthy, so I appreciate your perspective.
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Someone once said, "Believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see." An Army colonel in Nam said, "I don't believe anything that I can't touch."
 
Entertaining.

It also provokes my useless thought of the day: Was it a nasty meth habit that kept Batman from the Olympics?
 
baldtaco-II said:
It also provokes my useless thought of the day: Was it a nasty meth habit that kept Batman from the Olympics?
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That, and the fact that he couldn't bear to be away from Robin for that long.
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I understand the logic of putting the arrow on the other side (where the fingers curl around the bow) and using your thumb to keep the arrow in place, but I've seen pictures of native americans holding the bow horizontally ("gangsta style" :) ). Wouldn't this also allow rapid fire shots?
 
Scott Free said:
I guess I never assumed he hit 100%. I assumed all along that I was watching was a "best of" series with the misses edited out.
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I think the reason they were cheering so much and pumping their fists was because they had tried 50 times before and they finally hit the target.

Good equipment can be very accurate, but the shooter has to have the skill to do it. I was involved in archery in college and we shot a lot of arrows to develop our skill and keep it. We practiced 4 or 5 times a week, about 60 arrows or more at a time. Those guys look like they are kidding around playing with bows but if those shots are real, those guys have been doing it for a long time. We used olympic-style equipment so we had sights but not compounds or release aids. And actually the 300 yard shot is probably easier than some of the other shots they did. The full event that used to be used in the olympics is shot out to 90 meters (99 yards) and that is with a recurve bow and fingers, no compounds, no releases, not optical sights. It takes a very good offhand rifle shooter to do better than a good archer which is always done offhand. It takes a lot of practice and skill for a good level of accuracy with a bow, but I think it takes more skill to be very fast and not quite as accurate. My shooting has always been with a sight on the bow, I wouldn't begin to know how to shoot what they call "bowhunter" style, so I'm always impressed when someone can show good accuracy shooting that way.
 
Ultraman said:
I understand the logic of putting the arrow on the other side (where the fingers curl around the bow) and using your thumb to keep the arrow in place, but I've seen pictures of native americans holding the bow horizontally ("gangsta style" :) ). Wouldn't this also allow rapid fire shots?
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Shooting with the arrow on the right changes the whole dynamics of the arrow flight if you are shooting with fingers. The arrow stiffness is always selected so that when the arrow oscillates sideways it is synchronized to clear the handle of the bow. With the arrow on the other side either the arrow would hit the handle and kill accuracy, or maybe there is a way to tune the arrows to oscillate at a different frequency. (This oscillation is called the "archer's paradox").

I've watched people do the speed round with the dueling targets and putting the arrow on the left didn't hamper them, they used an overhead action instead of a sideways action. Sideways does appear to be faster but I wonder how he gets the arrow on the string so fast.
 
bdmicarta said:
Shooting with the arrow on the right changes the whole dynamics of the arrow flight if you are shooting with fingers. The arrow stiffness is always selected so that when the arrow oscillates sideways it is synchronized to clear the handle of the bow. With the arrow on the other side either the arrow would hit the handle and kill accuracy, or maybe there is a way to tune the arrows to oscillate at a different frequency. (This oscillation is called the "archer's paradox").

I've watched people do the speed round with the dueling targets and putting the arrow on the left didn't hamper them, they used an overhead action instead of a sideways action. Sideways does appear to be faster but I wonder how he gets the arrow on the string so fast.
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I thought it was because he held multiple arrows in the hand drawing the string, and that he did not have to bring it over to the other side. I'm no expert, BTW, so maybe my explanation is somewhat clueless.
 
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[video=youtube;2yorHswhzrU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yorHswhzrU[/video]
 
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bdmicarta said:
Shooting with the arrow on the right changes the whole dynamics of the arrow flight if you are shooting with fingers. The arrow stiffness is always selected so that when the arrow oscillates sideways it is synchronized to clear the handle of the bow. With the arrow on the other side either the arrow would hit the handle and kill accuracy, or maybe there is a way to tune the arrows to oscillate at a different frequency. (This oscillation is called the "archer's paradox").

I've watched people do the speed round with the dueling targets and putting the arrow on the left didn't hamper them, they used an overhead action instead of a sideways action. Sideways does appear to be faster but I wonder how he gets the arrow on the string so fast.
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I'm a bit confused by your assertion. I've never heard that. Wouldn't that mean that you would need left and right handed arrows? Not saying you're wrong, I might have something to learn.

I get the oscillation part, I've seen that on high speed film, but I've seen arrows flex vertically as well as horizontally. I use carbon fiber shafts, and if they were designed to flex in a particular way, I'd think that would be marked out on them.

To my understanding, the trouble with a shelfless bow is that you have a bit of an offset between the axis of the string travel and the arrow flight. By putting the arrow to the inside, you can use the arrow as a sight, and since it is drag stabilized it will fly "straight" along its starting angle. By placing it on the "outside" the limb of the bow blocks your view, making instinctive shooting more necessary. That said, the thumb would make a better arrow rest than the first finger, as the finger has more of a tendency to curl, and grip the arrow.

From the looks of things, these guys are using more of an arrow pinch draw than a string grip, I know that the string grip takes less strength overall, and lets you hold your shots, but I wonder if by using a pinch these guys are able to overcome some of the wobble that gets put into the string from flicky or flinchy string releases, especially given the speed of release. There are as many shooting styles as there are cultures, I think a lot of it has to do with the materials at hand, as well as the overall differences in muscle groups that those people had to start with. An agricultural Englishman is going to have shoulder muscle to spare for pulling a huge bow, where a mongol or hun might be useing more core/back, with a bow that has a much faster responce. And then you have the african and south pacific guys who have crappy wood for bows making up for it in accuracy and poison (or in the case of PNG, massive arrows fired at near point blank range)

As for that side of things, some people just have a talent for it. Like the cowboy shooters who can pick off a flipped coin. Same thing with jugglers, they only need to see 100 milliseconds of the ball in flight to know where it will end up.
 
UffDa said:
Lars is obviously an exceptional archer, but I would like to see him do this stuff live on Impossible Shots. He's doing things that Byron Ferguson couldn't dream about.
Of course, Byron is an old man and not that athletic. The claim of 3 arrows in 6/10 of a second??? That would rival some fast handgun shooters.

Sorry, there is some hanky-panky in that video.
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Ya' think?
 
Karl B. Andersen said:
Here's a guy that can shoot.
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That's pretty good, but can he shoot three birds out of the air with one arrow while doing a back flip? Even better. Shoot one arrow, split in two with another arrow and
kill two birds with the two pieces of that arrow.

Seriously, that is excellent arial shooting and I don't see any evidence of messing with the video. He actually misses shots. :eek: I can't imagine how many hours of shooting
it took to develop that level of skill.


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Pretty hilarious that the only thing critics of Lars can come up with is, "well, we don't get to see every shot. The video was clearly edited."

No, really? :rolleyes:
 
While cool... I think people get confused about this and actually using a bow to kill things with arrows.

[video=youtube;cr_1z3GwxQk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_1z3GwxQk[/video]
 
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