Awwwww Crap!!!!!!! This could suck.......

BalisongMan

BalisongMan

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Of course you all know of my BM 45 2nd (not the 45SHD, just the normal 45 2nd). Well, I was happily flipping it in my room when I looked down and noticed something funny about the tang.......OH CRAP!!! HALF THE TANG PIN IS MISSING!!! so I pick up the other half and sure enough, it cracked in half.
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The other half is still in there tight (I don't expect that to last very long)
It doesn't lock up tight anymore and I'm not a happy camper.
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I'm going to do one of two things:
1. try to tap the half back into the tang
or
2. try to get the other half out and make a new one

Anyone have any suggestion as to what I should do?? It's a 2nd so BM won't replace the pin
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Thanks

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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
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I'd contact BM. They said they could adjust my BM30 so I'd assume they could also put a tang pin in a 45. I'd contact them first, if they say they can't do anything, then try it yourself.
 
I've never heard of a tang pin breaking in half!! You must have been a flippin' fool!!
I could see loosening and falling out, or maybe deformation, but snapping it in half?
WOW.

Do you know if Benchmade would fix any problems on PC knives? I have a 68 that doesn't quite want to lock closed, and when I wear it in my inverted V sheath, the latch comes undone and klinks around. If they won't, I'm thinking of using a TIG welder to add a small bead on the inside of the handle where the kick hits, to try to tighten it.

Dawkind, I know that you are working in a machine shop daily. Would this be advisable?
 
I guess you could try to contact them to see if they'll replace it, but I doubt it. Don't try to stick the broken part back in...it'll just fall out again. Push the other half out and replace. I haven't had to do this(don't own a 45) but this is how I put the pins in my handles, so it should work for you.
Get a nail that isn't too long and will fit through the hole. Make sure it's good and strong and rather thick(just barely being able to fit through). Grind the point down flat. Stick the knife in a vice and put the nail in the tang pin hole. Knife should be closed. Only one side of the knife will touch one side of the vice...you'll have to hold the knife in place with one hand. The nail should be in contact with the other side of the vice. Holding the knife firmly, turn the vice as to close it with your free hand until you pop the pin out.
Now you'll just have to order yourself a small piece of SS rod to replace it. Cut it down to size, round it to your preferance, and insert it using the same basic idea. Hint: you won't need the nail at first when you put the new pin in. Hint #2: get a piece of SS rod(stock), I would imagine 303 would do the trick and is easy to get, that is slightly(ever so slightly) larger than the hole. This will give you a "pressed" fit. And for added security, you could even apply a little lock-tite.

This is my technique to putting in the pins on the handles I made; which I still don't have good pictures of, but will as soon as I can. Again, I'm going to thank Sabo for his excellent work, and I promise to have good ones ASAP.

Good luck to you. Any questions, feel free to email if you want, or I'll just see them here on this thread.

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When you install the new pin, Heat the handles up and freeze the new pin. That whole expand, contract thing, It will go in easier, Then as they come back to room temp. the pin will expand, the handle will shrink...tadaa... a nice tight fit again.
 
Contact BM. While as a 2nd it doesn't qualify for waranty service, I'll bet that for a minor fee, they'll be happy to replace it for you.

If you had a nice Rolls Royce to drive and, one day, the starter konked out on you, you wouldn't mess around with bailing wire and duct tape. You'd take to to a good mechanic since you know that even though it won't start right now, it's basically a great car and a valuable car.

That's the first I've ever heard of a tang pin breaking. Maybe there was a crack or something and that's why it was tagged as a 2nd in the first place. Anyway, it's annoying that it broke, I know, but's it's still basically a great balisong and a valuable one too, so don't mess around with it. Get it fixed right.


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Chuck
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You can definately fix it......A small fixture might have to be made to support the tang, with a hole in it to clear the pin, and the use of a small press will make short work of installing another tang pin. As Epigram79 suggested stainless rod, i.e., filler metal at a local welding shop, will work quite well for this task. I cut, deburr, and using a sharp center punch, 'upset' the pins center in a couple of spots to make the surface rough and also make it just a touch larger in diameter. I use red Loctite on my tang pins and press them into the hole. If one side is longer than the other, a little file work will take care of that. Don't dispare, if BM can't help you get it fixed I'm sure there's someone that can.......
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I'll try contacting BM to see what they'll say.

BaliLover: Did they adjust your BM 30? I have a BM 30S that I would like adjusted/looked at.

blade_420: Either I'm a flippin' fool or I drop it too much
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j/k I rarely drop my balisongs anymore.

epigram79: I've replace tons of hinge pins on cheapies, Jags, and Bears (I ground the pins off). I have replaced several tang pins on cheapies but they usually turned out like crap. Thanks for the suggestion!
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1whobuys: That's a pretty good idea. I wouldn't want to overheat the tang and lose the temper/finish on the blade and handles though.

Gollnick: If they do decide to replace it for a fee I wouldn't imagine that it'd be very big. I don't think BM would label a 45 a 2nd just because of a crappy tang pin since they could just put a good one in. I haven't found out why it ever was a 2nd (I know why on my 45SHD). I'll give BM a buzz and hopefully they'll put a new one in.

2Sharp: Yep, this is the one! Don't worry about it though, it's not anything you could have helped or caused. But, you could send me your Elishewitz balisong because I am very distressed
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just kidding (unless you really want to send it to me, I'm not against that at all
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Dawkind: I wish I could spend a day watching you repair, make, refurbish, or adjust balisongs and guns, I imagine it'd be very interesting and cool. Of course I'd have to spend another day drooling over your custom balisongs
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions, I'll send BM an email here soon and I'll let you know what turns out. Later.

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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
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Balisong man, If you ever have to heat something for an interferance fit, it doesn't have to be that hot. 125*-150* will do. A zero* pin will go far in a hurry under this condition. But remember, it all heats up very quickly when they get together. Once you say Go, be prepaired to push it all the way through quickly.
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by BalisongMan:
2Sharp: Yep, this is the one! Don't worry about it though, it's not anything you could have helped or caused. But, you could send me your Elishewitz balisong because I am very distressed
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Aww...i'm sorry 'bout that
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I'm not too sure on the custom thing though...i might not want to do just that!
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Please keep me posted on how it's going.



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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp

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~~~I'm thinking of using a TIG welder to add a small bead on the inside of the handle where the kick hits, to try to tighten it.~~~ I would put a small spot of metal on the latch, on each side, and fit it with some filework. IMHO it would be kind of tough to get a TIG torch into the spot necessary to add the metal and get the arc to transfer without sticking the tungsten or pitting the handle with the high frequency. The most important part is to have the proper equipment and size the diameter of the tungsten to the job. It would also be nice to have a welding power supply that would go down to about 5 amps to do real delicate stuff like weld on butterfly knives!
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Dawkind, Just so you don't make the same mistake I did.
Snap-On-Tools has a mig/tig set-up that THEY state will weld soda cans. NOT!!!!
It was a major piece of Crap.
Just to get it to work on chrome/moly we had to gut an old arc welder and use the reduction coils from it to cool the tip down enough to tig. It went back to Snap-on, and boy did they screw us on the return......
 
I've got a little Lincoln Squarewave 175 TIG and it has worked out real well for me. I've had great results on both steel and aluminum. It'll go down to 12 amps and is very stable.......
 
I sent both my 30s and my 45 2nd today to BM (insured, priority, and return receipt requested). Hopefully they'll be able to help me out with the 30S and of course they should be able to pop in a new tang pin for my BM 45. I'll post progress as it comes.
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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my balisongs
My Photopoint album
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by blade_420:
I have a 68 that doesn't quite want to lock closed, and when I wear it in my inverted V sheath, the latch comes undone and klinks around. If they won't, I'm thinking of using a TIG welder to add a small bead on the inside of the handle where the kick hits, to try to tighten it.
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Anyone ever heard of a heavy duty Aluminum tape. Its basicly a roll of thin aluuminum with a really strong adhesive on the back. It occured to be that maybe you can cut some thin strips of this(adjust the amount of layers of the tape depending on how loose the handles are when closed) and lay them in the handle's slot where the blade's kick hits it. It sounds like a better fix then the thin pieces of rubber I superglued in the handles of my loose bali's. Well, I just thought I'd pass along the tip..........



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BM received my package on Monday, Roberta DeAsis signed the return receipt so I now have her signature!!!
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It's nice to know that the owners of BM take an active part of the company. I hope to get the balisongs back soon. I'll let ya know what happens when I do.

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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my balisongs
My ClubPhoto albums
 
Still waiting and hoping that they will come sometime this week.
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Cameron

"And shepards we shall be, for thee my Lord for thee, power hath descended forth from thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out thy command, so we shall flow a river forth to thee, and teeming with souls shall it ever be, En Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti"
A few of my balisongs
My ClubPhoto albums
 
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