axe vs. knife

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OK I'm sure this has been debated before, but my friend is telling me that an axe (hatchet) and a folder (or small knife) is better than taking a fixed blade into the woods. Can you guys please back me up with reason on why you think a fixed blade is better. He won't take just my word for it. If you think the hatchet is better, dont bother posting....JK;)
 
It really depends on what you are planning on doing. Each of the three items you mentioned have advantages and disadvantages in different situations. You could always do like I did Saturday when I went out hiking. I took my new Wetterlings Wildlife Axe, my 12" Tramontina, my Victorinox Hiker and my Frosts 780. Although I didn't really have to use all of the blades, I felt fully prepared and their total weight was less than three pounds.
 
frankly, i agree with your friend. this combo has never done me wrong, because it allows me to have a good chopper and a good fine cutter...
a single mid-size knife does neither spectacularly, but does both okay.

as far as pros of a single midsize or large fixed blade...well as said you only have to carry one tool, reducing weight (most weigh less than a hatchet alone, disregarding folders which are normally pretty light). this also means that you have only one tool to clean, sharpen, and otherwise watch after. you have fewer failure points, no pivot as on a folder, and a solid steel tang (assuming you are using a traditional wood handled hatchet as the argument). you have a knife that can be used to chop okay, and you have a knife that can be used to whittle roughly. all in one tool. you could also argue that you can attach a survival kit to a mid or large size knife, though it could be countered that you could do the same with a belt pouch or a hatchet sheath.

also, a fixed blade can be used like a mini machete, to hack at small vines or tall grasses that are in your way. if you try this with a very forward balancing hatchet, you are likely going to end up with a hatchet in your leg.

it is easy to baton firewood and smaller kindling with the fixed blade. on the other hand, one of the primary uses of the hatchet is that purpose, without the need for a baton. what's that? you say you can't use a thick bladed hatchet for splitting that really little matchstick kindling you need to get the fire going? you are either using an improperly ground hatchet, made for chopping cement, or you don't know what you are doing. on the other hand, it is admittedly difficult to split the really small stuff with a hatchet. this is when i carefully use my folder (most often an opinel these days) with the lock disengaged, to split the pencils down to toothpicks. it works well.

basically, you could talk for a million years about this and still never come to a definite conclusion. ultimately it is based on personal preference. if you grew up with a machete or other mid or large sized fixed blade, or lusting after one, you are likely going to be most comfortable with that tool, and know how to use it to maximize its strong points. on the other hand, if you grew up with a hatchet on your belt and a folder in your pocket, you are going to know how to best employ this combo to maximize the benefits.

it would not shock me if two men, with all other factors equal, were put side by side and each given one of the tools or tool sets as the case may be, and were told to do exactly the same tasks, they would most likely do them equally effectively, employing different means to reach a common end.
 
An axe for chopping and a folder for cutting, I don't see a problem with that combo.

I like fixed blades, mostly because they are handy, and I am too lazy to dig out a folder and unfold it, so I usually take a small fixed blade(3.5"-4") with a hatchet or axe. I've never had a need for a larger fixed blade with this system(although I see the need for a matchete in areas that have heavy undergrowth).

Why carry one tool that is ok at two different tasks when you can carry two tools that were each made for one particular task. I like your friends system, obviously, but it all comes down to preference.

Do you need a fixed blade if you have a folder and axe? No. Do you need an axe if you have a sturdy good sized fixed blade? Probably not.

Like I said, it all boils down to personal preferance, comfort level with your chosen tool, and ability to get the most out of your chosen tool.
 
Yeah, I agree that it's a matter of preference as to what you use. I rarely carry an axe, but the same goes for a fixed blade. However, depending on how long I'll be gone and what I'll be doing, I might have all three with me. There's a lot to be said about the Nessmuk trio of Axe, fixed blade and folder.
 
I guess I grab the various things according to weight more than anything else.

If I'm in the woods and don't mind carrying a bunch of weight, I'll have an axe, a saw, a couple of big knives, a couple of small knives and so forth.

If I'm watching what I'm carrying, I'll probably grab a BIG knife an a pocket knife and call it good.

Will the Big Knife and pocket knife do everything the list above it will, probably not well, but in a pinch they could do most of the jobs one way or another. It's best to have the right tool for the job whenever possible. It's mostly for efficiency and accuracy.
 
OK I'm sure this has been debated before, but my friend is telling me that an axe (hatchet) and a folder (or small knife) is better than taking a fixed blade into the woods. Can you guys please back me up with reason on why you think a fixed blade is better. He won't take just my word for it. If you think the hatchet is better, dont bother posting....JK;)

Depending on what you're comfortable with, I don't think there's much difference. You can say that with one fixed blade, you only have one tool; whereas with the hatchet and folder, you have two tools???

Personally, I would go with a fixed blade (something around a 5" fixed blade is my preference). Reason being, I like belt axes/hatchets, but most of the time once I set up camp, it stays in camp. It's really not something that I can comfortably carry around on day hikes or other ventures from camp. With a fixed belt knife, as long as you have your pants on, you have a decent sized knife that can do all the critical chores if your situation turns south. It also depends on your location and time of the year. I would most likely want an axe/hatchet if I was in a little further north in the fall to late fall timeframe.

With that said, I've know a few people that can work wonders with a small hatchet, enough to where they wouldn't even need a smaller knife. I'll admit I'm not that skilled, but I can make a fixed blade work for me.

ROCK6
 
I believe that there are axes with a knife into the handle, probably made by Gerber, anybody ever tried one?
 
What does "better" mean? More durable? Lighter? More efficient? Safer? More ergonomical? That's what selecting the right tools depends on - what you want from them.

I'd rather take a fixed blade than the folder, and I could still bring the axe. Fixed blades aren't all 10" blade brutes weighing a pound. Taking a small or medium fixed blade with an axe would give you a very solid combo that would be much more durable than a folder + axe combo of roughly the same price. Personally, I almost always carry just a small fixed blade and a hatchet, or a small fixed blade and a large fixed blade. These combos do everything well, except for machete-work, which really is not needed here in the north.
 
main use my axe sees, is throwing,

so i just got it with me for fun, when i do

a machete or big chopper i use often to make path
 
Well, you're more versatile with a hatchet and a knife than with just a knife.

Personally, I prefer fixed blade knives for woods use. So I'd take a hatchet and a small(er) fixed blade (say a 3.5-4"). If you choke up on the bit, you can use a hatchet to do pretty much anything you can do with a large knife, and have the smaller blade for more delicate chores.

Also, for chopping wood, no knife, unless it is one of those huge 18" bowies or a good kukri, is going to out chop a hatchet.

As one poster said a hatchet is not so good if you want to clear soft vegetation. So if you have soft vegetation to clear and splitting to do, I'd advise to take a large(ish) kukri in the 16-18" range. It has the heft to do the shopping and splitting and the blade length to do the "running" to cut soft vegetation. Only thing a hatchet does better is turn around and be used as a hammer.

Me? I like to take a kukri and a smaller knife. If I have to hammer vegetation, I use a baton for that instead of trying to turn a knife into an axe.
 
My personal preference in the woods is a 5" fixed blade and a small ax/tomahawk.I feel a 5'' blade is small enough for fine cutting.
 
A large knife (8-10") can out-chop a good hatchet up until the point that one is chopping wood of a diameter larger than the face of the hatchet. The reason is that it is easier to hit a small diameter branch with a large edge than it is to hit a small diameter branch with a small edge. The hatchet overtakes the knife when the wood gets bigger because regardless of the diameter, it takes the same sized bite. It becomes increasingly difficult to take large bites out of large wood with a large knife because of the increased surface area of the knife blade impacting the wood.

I guess this is why people take machetes into the jungle and axes into the forest. If you are going to be chopping a bunch of small diameter limbs or trees, then take a big knife. If you are going to be chopping a bunch of larger diameter limbs or trees, then take the hatchet. In both cases I would take a smallish knife, either folding or fixed.
 
I like axe-knife combinations too. There is no "correct" answer, just what feels right for the person using the tools. My preference is to always carry a good locking folder and if I'm out for a walk I may also take a small fixed blade in a horizontal carry just left of my belt buckle. I've found the Granfors Bruks mini-hatchet an excellent chopper and it weighs less than the knife I'd carry if I decided to take a knife for chopping. The Fehrman Final Judgment is a big piece of steel; the combination of tools is lighter.
 
Axe in the truck, Large blade in the pack as its lighter and does more stuff.

Skam
 
I find a khukuri that has a blade length around 12-14" weighing 22-26osz, with a descent karda does the job for me.
 
I recently have been debating the same situation. Like Ras mentioned, I love my GB wildlife hatchet. I just (at this time) prefer a heavy 7' fixed blade for all around versatility.
The Scrapyad YG (after I reprofiled it) seems to have at least for the short term knocked the GB out of the trail pack.

But I will say this, if I had to chop for extended amounts of time - the Hatchet is more comfortable.

IF I were packing for a weekend, and not just a hike, I could see myself also going with an alternate by strapping on a 5' fixed, and carrying the GB in my pack.

Also have to ad, there is NO WAY I would leave the casa without at least one Folder as well.

sp
 
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