AXIS lock stuck!!!

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curious2003

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ok I was opening and closing my new 806D2 tonight and then I suddenly began having problems unlocking the blade. It seemed that when I tried to close with one hand the lock button would make a click sound and jam. Yet when I used another finger on the other side as well I would be able to close the knife. This kept happening with it, where whenever I tried to close the knife with the button on one side it would jam.

Then somehow after a dozen times of getting stuck it got stuck permanently and not even with any force or using both buttons can I disengage the lock.

I was not flicking the knife open or opening it any more forcefully than any other normal knife.

Is this normal?!?! Has this happened to anybody before? The knife is literally locked OPEN.

Lubrication is not the problem as the knife has a fair amount of grease in it...it seems as if the locking bar is either lopsided or too stiff or the blade base where it touchs the bar is uneven.

I have no clue what happened though...
 
I have never heard of this problem from anyone, and I myself do not have any axis knives yet.

Perhaps the two omega springs broke? but I'm sure if that happened the bar would move without a problem.

You should email Benchmade to tell them what happened it may be under warrenty, it sounds like a manufactorers defect.

Best of luck with the problem.
 
Sorry to hear this curious. Damn you think they've got it sorted...

No it's not normal of course.

Contact BM.
 
Contact BM!!

Onse i´ve flicked my one open so it was very very hard to close it. But your problem sounds diferent.
 
If you are using "grease" instead of a light oil for lubrication that might be the problem right there.

Grease is for heavy, low precision parts like car door latches, not folding knives.

I'd hose it down with WD40 and see it that fixes it up, and then use some real knife oil on it.
 
Hi...
Sounds like a broken Omega spring....

There is a spring on each side of the knife...


ttyle

Eric....
 
Curious,
Did you inspect your knife lock carefully? The axis lock mechanism is pretty transparent, the major amount of moving parts and their paths are clearly visible without taking knife apart. I have inspected some my axis lock equipped knives and I really can’t imagine what could hold the locking bar so firmly as you have described staying invisible at the same time.
Whatever you do see there or not – you should contact BENCHMADE Customer Service. Your knife is covered with lifetime warranty and I would be heavily surprised if they wouldn’t put it in order with no charge.

I remember your whine on both Forums about brand new SPYDERCO Endura blade what allegedly have wobbled in opened position and chipped cutting newspaper. Now pretty wonderful occurrence with axis lock... Shouldn’t you check yourself for some supernatural abilities, hmm? ;)
BTW, there are some practically indestructible fixed blades around, Fallkniven A1 for example. Try them out, maybe one of them would be your best choice? ;)
 
could it have some dirt in the the lock? I own several and have never had this happen before.

What about putting some lubricant in the lock? perhaps it just may be hung up (which would, in my opinion, be rare?). Try that and if it doesnt work do not force it (you may hurt yourself) and send it back to the factory.
 
sergiusz

I also received a 710 and Delica, both were perfect in performance although the 710 had a badly fit spacer. When there are problems I ask if I need clarification...I do not consider that "whining"

rev_jch

I put some Militec Grease on it and that seemed to make it work slightly better after I lfet it sit overnight. Now it doesn't get stuck unless I flick it open. However, I still can't disengage the lock with just my thumb but need to pull back on it from both sides using my middel finger as well. However on my 710 I do not need to also pull back on the other side. Is my 710 the anomaly or is the 806 one?


Now the problem is I got some grease on the G-10 by accident and there are big spotches of it all over. I tried handsoap and dishwashing fluid to no avail. Is this stained for good?
 
I've had several axis locks, and one of the 710's I own had a very, very similar problem. The harder you opened it, the harder it would lock open. Even with normal opening it required two fingers and a good bit of strength to disengage the lock. If flicked open with authority, it was tough to disengage the lock at all. I ended up sending it back to Benchmade and after TWO trips there, they fixed the problem. I never got a clear answer what the problem was, or how they fixed it. I was, and still am, baffled by what was causing it. Contact Benchmade if there's a problem and they'll fix it for you. ;)

Just thought I'd add that I've never had any other remote problem with and axis lock aside from this one.
 
Having handled an axis lock a bit, IME, the should should take TWO fingers on either side.

If it only takes ONE finger than the other side is not fully engaged or the spring does not have sufficient tension to keep the other half in engagement.
 
Originally posted by DaveH
Having handled an axis lock a bit, IME, the should should take TWO fingers on either side.

If it only takes ONE finger than the other side is not fully engaged or the spring does not have sufficient tension to keep the other half in engagement.
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:confused: I've had an AFCK for half a year now, and it's always been easy to unlock with just one finger. Even right out of the box, when the lock stuck, it just required a bit more force with the thumb. The lock is very smooth now that it's broken in.

Remember to keep the lock button area reasonably free from dirt and grime. If it builds up, the lock feels different when you slide it, but I doubt it would affect the lockup very much.
 
I just got the 806D2 last night, and I had the same problem. However, I found out that if I open the knife relatively slowly or smoothly it closes fine. Otherwise if I flick it open, or open it real hard, the closing mechanism is locked like you described.

And though it was locked, all I had to do was get a set of pliers to unstuck the lock, and it closed like normal. Just something with a higher threshold of pain than my poor fingers...
 
I've never had a problem disengaging ANY axis lock knife with one hand. In fact, one of the neat things about the 710 is that you can pull back on the lock and flick it open (lightly of course), use it, then pull back on the lock with a light flick to close it. In other words, it's really easy to open, use and close all with one hand. I don't know if the AFCK is supposed to operate like that, but it should NOT be that hard to close.

Whatever you do, don't take it apart unless you want to be stuck with a broken knife - send it in to BM.
 
Originally posted by ml1209
And though it was locked, all I had to do was get a set of pliers to unstuck the lock, and it closed like normal. Just something with a higher threshold of pain than my poor fingers...
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Hehe. I forgot to mention that I now have a permanent callus on my right thumb from my AFCK. The first week is rough, it stops hurting after that. :) Keep flicking!
 
Yes, of course, sure!
Probably I have supernatural abilities, because dealing with the hundreds of different brand knives for years (this is pretty noticeable part of my basic job), visiting a lot of knife shows etc. I have never experienced such malfunctions what you have managed to gather literally within few weeks. Just for example – no one knife ever chipped in my hand cutting newspaper :rolleyes:
No way this should mention that I have never experienced any knife fault at all, however what I did as very first – I called manufacturer and discussed the problem with them. Honestly – only twice what is not too much dealing with such amount of knives on daily basis...
Or maybe manufacturers have special knife selection and special quality control for me, hmm?
 
DaveH

I thought this too but on the Benchmade site there's a video showing an AXIS being opened and closed (Mel Pardue if I'm not mistaken) and the guy's hand clearly shows him only using one side of the bar to close it

ml1209

what are you planning to do with the knife? send it back to the company you bought it from or to benchmade to fix? yes when it gets stuck "good" I can't do it with my fingers alone but I use a cloth or oven mitt to help me

Mitin

sorry I don't have supernatural powers like you but you should really use your supernatural powers to deduce that it's not that I have nothing better to do but buy knives with faults such as this one. Also if one of your powers was being able to read you'd find that I"m not alone in having a sticky AXIS not to mention that many 806 owners have the same problem. Read the replies in this thread and hop over to the BM forum and see for yourself. The 806 has a tendency to get jammed.

And please save the rolling eyes for yourself as you seem to think that your experiences must equal those of everyone else around you. The world doesn't work that way my friend...it is not a comic bok centered around you. There are those of us that do encounter problems and have the freedom to discuss them in an open forum for that purpose without having wannabe superheroes insinuating things...

btw

does anybody have an answer to the removing grease off G-10 problem? I did a quick search and came up emtpy...
 
Originally posted by DaveH
Having handled an axis lock a bit, IME, the should should take TWO fingers on either side.

If it only takes ONE finger than the other side is not fully engaged or the spring does not have sufficient tension to keep the other half in engagement.
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I have never ever had to use more then one finger to lock/unlock the axis lock and I have handled several at work.
 
Sounds like either the pin doesn't fit tight enough in the slots it sits in which lets it twist rather than slide backwards when you only pull on one side,or that the tang on the blade isn't shaped quite right. If there was a hump (couple thousandths of an inch would be enough) or something that the pin could pop over when you open it, it would bind when you tried to pull it back. Try pulling the blade farther open as you pull back on the axis bar. If that makes it easier there's something wrong with either the tang or the stop pin. Probably have to send it back in to Benchmade.
 
Another reason that I like liner locks. They've got simple mechanics. Seriously though, the axis lock is a great little device and it's fairly simple to clean without taking apart.:)
 
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