BA-KOR Knives?

Your daughter found a knife she likes that looks decent enough.

I suggest making her happy and getting her the knife she likes, so that she feels pride in choosing and using the knife she wants. She can always upgrade later, and as you said you have plenty of more expensive knives.

Not every purchase has to be a major teaching/learning experience or a lecture in politics and economics.
The list of countries/areas people "should be ethically allowed :) " to buy knives from seems to be shrinking daily.....

Let her have fun and God bless.
Well, I already bought her a Cold Steel SRK-C in CPM-3V. MidwayUSA was having an awesome sale, and Cold Steel made a special orange handle version for MidwayUSA. The sheath is also orange. That's pretty much all the knife she needs at her age. There aren't many better steels than CPM-3V. I have a full size SRK in CPM-3V. I've never used it. She wanted me to teach her how to whittle sticks into spikes, and a few other things. We must have whittled like 10+ large sticks. I was using my Cold Steel Drop Forged Survivalist made of 52100 ball bearing steel. I really like that knife. I was shocked when we were done. My Cold Steel Drop Forged Survivalist was still very sharp, but the edge definitely needed to be sharpened a bit, and some of the blade coating wore off. My daughter's SRK-C looked like it hadn't been used at all, and it was still hair popping sharp.
 
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Pretty sure these are from China , although I've been unable to find a straight answer anywhere .

I agree that being lied to, by implication at least , does not inspire my confidence / trust in a company or its products . :mad::thumbsdown:
They are manufactured in China, but the company appears to be American.
 
Less expensive, high performance knives are readily available from reputable companies though. Why support an unknown manufacturer that appears to be lying about their product??


That’s not this company. They imply that they’re US made.

I’m afraid I don’t understand where you’re coming from at all - sorry.
BA-KOR knives are manufactured in China, just like Sitivien knives, Odenwolf knives, and many other knives that are sold by USA or European companies. If they are excellent knives for the money, they are great for young.people on a budget, or kids.

What I was saying about the well known knife manufacturers that manufacturer many of their models in China, which is pretty much every knife manufacturer these days except a few, it's been my experience that their Chinese manufactured knives are garbage. Compare a Cold Steel, CRKT, Kershaw, or SOG knife that's manufactured in China, to these lesser known, inexpensive brands that only manufacturer their knives in China. The brand name knives are more expensive, and they're not even half the quality. I bought a Kershaw Camp 18 machete that was manufactured in China. It was made from 65Mn, which is China's version of 1055HC. I was excited when the machete arrived, and it was the biggest POS I had ever purchased. It definitely wasn't cheap, and the blade was so warped the edge at the tip of the machete was rotated almost 90 degrees from the direction of the edge at the handle.
 
BA-KOR knives are manufactured in China, just like Sitivien knives, Odenwolf knives, and many other knives that are sold by USA or European companies. If they are excellent knives for the money, they are great for young.people on a budget, or kids.

What I was saying about the well known knife manufacturers that manufacturer many of their models in China, which is pretty much every knife manufacturer these days except a few, it's been my experience that their Chinese manufactured knives are garbage. Compare a Cold Steel, CRKT, Kershaw, or SOG knife that's manufactured in China, to these lesser known, inexpensive brands that only manufacturer their knives in China. The brand name knives are more expensive, and they're not even half the quality. I bought a Kershaw Camp 18 machete that was manufactured in China. It was made from 65Mn, which is China's version of 1055HC. I was excited when the machete arrived, and it was the biggest POS I had ever purchased. It definitely wasn't cheap, and the blade was so warped the edge at the tip of the machete was rotated almost 90 degrees from the direction of the edge at the handle.
I believe that you’re saying that in your experience, Chinese brands made in China tend to be better than brands from other countries that make all or some of their knives in China. Is that correct?

I don’t have an opinion on that, but I suppose it makes sense that a completely Chinese brand would have extra incentive to represent their country well.

My point was, and still is, that I avoid doing business with ANY knife maker/brand that I feel is dishonest. About anything. There are a few US companies that fall into this category, and I don’t recommend doing business with them. Just like BA-KOR. It seems that they aren’t honest actors, so why buy something like a knife from them, when there are so many high quality, inexpensive knives available from “reputable” companies from China and other countries?

Reputation is important to me.
 
fwiw - I rehardened Kabor DC3 2 times. 1st time treat it as lower C% D2 austenite 1875F - hardness 59.5hrc, where actual D2 got 65rc. Blade discoloration has similar looks to 3Cr13/440A. So 2nd try aust at 1950F, got 60.5rc, which remarkably similar hardness to rehardened Foresail & Dream Reach claimed D2 blade (also tried 2 times) and Kabor 9Cr18Mov and Flissa 14C28N. D2 from Lynxgear; Benkey; Eafengrow, walmart rehardened to ~65rc (aust 1850F). otoh, Foresail M390 rehardened to 63.5rc and 64rc respectively. btw - CJRB ARRPM9 & ARSFII & S90V are rehardened to 62,63.5,65 hrc respectively. *note - 3Cr13/440A at 60rc has excellent edge stability, perhaps/speculation how too many questionable knife companies selling knives with mistaken ;) steel type and get away with it.
 
I believe that you’re saying that in your experience, Chinese brands made in China tend to be better than brands from other countries that make all or some of their knives in China. Is that correct?

I don’t have an opinion on that, but I suppose it makes sense that a completely Chinese brand would have extra incentive to represent their country well.

My point was, and still is, that I avoid doing business with ANY knife maker/brand that I feel is dishonest. About anything. There are a few US companies that fall into this category, and I don’t recommend doing business with them. Just like BA-KOR. It seems that they aren’t honest actors, so why buy something like a knife from them, when there are so many high quality, inexpensive knives available from “reputable” companies from China and other countries?

Reputation is important to me.

No, I don't think you are understanding what I'm trying to say. Most Chinese manufactured knives used to be garbage up until like 2-3 years ago. Then, a bunch of brands that ONLY sell knives manufactured in China, meaning they have a dedicated factory in China, greatly increased in quality. Some of them increased their prices as the quality increased. Some of them are still good bargains. These companies are not solely Chinese companies. Many of them are US and European based companies, but all of their knives are manufactured in China from Chinese steel. Odenwolf is a good example. It's a German company. It's a mixture of Chinese companies, and Western-based companies that solely manufacture their knives in China.

A few years ago, these knives were pretty bad. Eafengrow Knives is a good example. They got caught falsely advertising the type of steel in their knives. Someone had the knives tested, and the elemental breakdown of the steel wasn't the same as what was advertised. As these companies have increased the quality of their products, a lot more popular YouTube knife testers have tested them, and they are doing very well despite abusive testing.

On the other hand, the major knife companies that make some of their knives in China, have proven to be garbage. I've purchased about 7 of them, and they were all terrible. What's worse, is that they weren't cheap, because of the brand name. As more of the major knife manufacturers have sold out to GSM Outdoors and other giant conglomerate corporations, the quality has decreases greatly, production is moved to China, the prices stay the same or increase, and the warranties are voided. I own about 7 Cold Steel South African Machetes, maybe more. They have always been incredible machetes. They are listed as 1055HC, but the manufacturer must have the heat treat down to a science, because the steel performs far better than 1055HC should. I cut all the way through a 12" diameter log with my Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete (their best design IMO). There's was zero edge damage. After Cold Steel sold out to GSM Outdoors, the machete designs stayed the same, but manufacturing was moved to China, and the steel type was changed to 65Mn. What's worse, is that Amazon and most of the respected online knife stores still advertise these Cold Steel machetes as being made in South Africa from 1055HC. But when people receive them, the package says 65Mn and Made in China. They've had over 3 years to correct their false advertising, but they haven't. Cold Steel, SOG, and Camillus are all owned by GSM Outdoors now. There are only a few knife companies left that didn't sell out to giant corporations, and even some of those companies manufacturer a lot of their knives in China.

I know that's a lot to read, but it illustrates my point. If you can afford knives the are manufactured in the US, Europe, or Taiwan (Taiwan actually manufacturers some of the best knives), by all means buy them. If you can't afford them, or the knife is for a child you know will just abuse it and not take care of it (like not piling a carbon steel knife), you are better off buying from one of these knife companies that solely manufacture their knives in China from DC53 or Sleipner Steel. You're going to pay less than buying a Chinese manufactured knife from one of the well known name brands, and it will be a higher quality knife.
 
I believe that you’re saying that in your experience, Chinese brands made in China tend to be better than brands from other countries that make all or some of their knives in China. Is that correct?

I don’t have an opinion on that, but I suppose it makes sense that a completely Chinese brand would have extra incentive to represent their country well.

My point was, and still is, that I avoid doing business with ANY knife maker/brand that I feel is dishonest. About anything. There are a few US companies that fall into this category, and I don’t recommend doing business with them. Just like BA-KOR. It seems that they aren’t honest actors, so why buy something like a knife from them, when there are so many high quality, inexpensive knives available from “reputable” companies from China and other countries?

Reputation is important to me.

BTW, it took me a long time to figure this out, but the South African manufacturing company that made Cold Steel's South African machetes is "Okapi". You can still buy every single one of Cold Steel's designs from Okapi, and you're actually getting a great machete, not some 65Mn Chinese piece of crap. They even come with identical sheaths, which Cold Steel calls Core-Ex sheaths. They're actually not that expensive compared to new Chinese Cold Steel machetes. You might have to pay extra shipping to have them shipped to the USA. Here is a good example: https://okapiknives.co.za/products/jungle-machete?variant=42043042365537. That is the old Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete.
 
BTW, it took me a long time to figure this out, but the South African manufacturing company that made Cold Steel's South African machetes is "Okapi". You can still buy every single one of Cold Steel's designs from Okapi, and you're actually getting a great machete, not some 65Mn Chinese piece of crap. They even come with identical sheaths, which Cold Steel calls Core-Ex sheaths. They're actually not that expensive compared to new Chinese Cold Steel machetes. You might have to pay extra shipping to have them shipped to the USA. Here is a good example: https://okapiknives.co.za/products/jungle-machete?variant=42043042365537. That is the old Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete.
Thank You For this Tip!!!
 
BTW, it took me a long time to figure this out, but the South African manufacturing company that made Cold Steel's South African machetes is "Okapi". You can still buy every single one of Cold Steel's designs from Okapi, and you're actually getting a great machete, not some 65Mn Chinese piece of crap. They even come with identical sheaths, which Cold Steel calls Core-Ex sheaths. They're actually not that expensive compared to new Chinese Cold Steel machetes. You might have to pay extra shipping to have them shipped to the USA. Here is a good example: https://okapiknives.co.za/products/jungle-machete?variant=42043042365537. That is the old Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete.
I cannot find an Option to Ship outside of Southern Africa when I go to Checkout????

I Will seek out USA retailers that Stock Okapi Products.
 
I cannot find an Option to Ship outside of Southern Africa when I go to Checkout????

I Will seek out USA retailers that Stock Okapi Products.
You can buy them from other retailers. But yes, they tend to only be sold in Africa, Europe and probably the Middle East as well. I have seen a few for sale on US based knife retailers, but not all the different designs. A guy actually offered me over $100 for my Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete, because he wanted it so badly, and he could only find the Chinese versions for sale..I'm starting to think I should sell it, and buy the Okapi version. I do like that they offer an orange handle option. Brightly colored handles are always better, as you can find them if you drop them in a bunch of leaves and brush.
 
You can buy them from other retailers. But yes, they tend to only be sold in Africa, Europe and probably the Middle East as well. I have seen a few for sale on US based knife retailers, but not all the different designs. A guy actually offered me over $100 for my Cold Steel South African Jungle Machete, because he wanted it so badly, and he could only find the Chinese versions for sale..I'm starting to think I should sell it, and buy the Okapi version. I do like that they offer an orange handle option. Brightly colored handles are always better, as you can find them if you drop them in a bunch of leaves and brush.
Tha k You for the Information. I am Having trouble locating Dealers that have their Machetes in Stock - - most seem to Carry their Pocket Folders.
 
I have an Eafengrow EF-131 in DC53. I’ve been thoroughly impressed by this steel. I’ve beat the crap out of it and I find it not chippy at all and holds a great edge. I’m sure it’s no CPM 3V but I I have several in that steel and it’s not easy to tell the difference in practical terms in the field. It also doesn’t stain that easily at least in the rain, I didn’t take it in the ocean, ha.

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