Backpacking backpacks

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Hello one and all,

I am in need of some knowledge in regards to an affordable, durable backpack. Anyone have any good suggestions for a "newb" for the outdoors. It doesnt have to be super crazy hightech, if anything, something simple but effective. Thank you very much in advance, and any other advice as to descent sleeping bags and the such would be much appreciated; I do have sleeping bags, but they are pretty damn old and obsolete, so again any brands you enjoy would be great to hear.
 
Tons of great brands of backpacks - gregory, arcteryx, osprey, northface - many more brands with a quality product. For a newb, i'd recommend going to a big outdoors outfitter like REI and having someone help you find a pack that will fit you well - torso and waist. Look to spend $130 minimum to get a quality pack. For most uses I'd recommend an internal frame, though if you live in the desert/southwest or hike on wide open trails external frames can allow more ventilation for your back. Definitely get a pack with an internal pouch for a hydration bladder.

For sleeping bags you have to decide on down vs. synthetic. Synthetic bags will be warmer for a given price range, but will weigh more. Down is great for lightweight and small compression size but loses performance fast if it gets wet. Just some things to think about.

Again, if you're inexperienced, your best bet would be an outdoors store for a pack. A sleeping bag is less important - you can find a good deal on the web if you shop around and compare - sierratradingpost, REI, many other sites.
 
A fitting from a knowledgable store will really help. Even if you don't buy there, check Campmore and Sierra Trading Post for deals on a similar size pack, last year's color maybe. Internal frame/ external frame which ever you get, get one with a waist belt. Unless you are going rugged caming, with little gear, you will want the weight on your hips/pelvis.
Small details add up on a pack. The padding in the waist, the mesh on your backside, where the straps fall on your shoulders. The size, pockets, straps will be secondary to the fit. Those bags will move as you walk, and can rub.
I'd get familiar with basic equiptment, and a boyscout's manual. A place like REI wants you to spend money, on all the fancy lightweight gear. Some folks get very expensive extras for comfort, and that may be you. I like to go lightweight, but you don't need to spend a fortune to get out there and camp.
Read up on this forum what gear some guys take, and especially the techniques for shelter building, and useing a fire to it's fullest potential. Sierratradingpost.com is your friend, so it REI outlet, and campmore. They have good gear for way less, buy quality without paying top dollar for the newest colors or features.
 
An affordable, durable backpack.
The best for the least money
Something that will last ten to fifteen years, both in quality and your changing needs.
Look for a one time purchase, so an extra $50 over that amount of time is not so aweful


It will take a lot of volume, but cinch down to carry very little.
A good waist belt system, as this is where a lot of the load is carried
Good back ventilation, as this is where you sweat

I like lots of external pockets, buy I am dating myself, they are not in fashion

Get a pack fitted by a knowledgable store person
If you do think they are too busy trying to sell you, as apposed to listening to what you really need, get a different store person


Synthetic sleeping bags are are bulkier and heavier but they are cheaper and of vital importance don't die when wet.

Good Luck
 
Synthetic sleeping bags are are bulkier and heavier but they are cheaper and of vital importance don't die when wet.

For a noob I would recommend a synthetic bag for a first sleeping bag as well. However, I prefer down - I have a 700 fill 20 degree down bag I've used for hundreds of miles and about 20 years and it's still going strong (notwithstanding several washes and a few iron on patches).

Keeping them dry is ESSENTIAL though, so it's a prerequesite that you have a good tent that will prevent moisture/condensation from hitting your bag in all conditions.

I'd also recommend getting a bag you can use for 3 seasons - e.g. 15-35 degree bag depending on when you want to go out, then buy a silk sleeping bag liner for ~$40. It will keep your sleeping bag cleaner, and it lets you regulate your temperature so you'll sleep better.
 
What ever bag you get, don't leave it compressed when you get home. Open it up, let it dry, and leave it either hanging up in a closet or at least in the larger bag. The sleeping bags I have came with two bags, compression and a storage bag.
A compressed bag will not fluff back up the next time you need it.
 
A couple decent manufacturers for mid-range equipment are Kelty and Hi-Tec. Kelty makes decent sleeping bags too.

It is also important to make sure all of your gear will fit in your pack, so most people get their sleeping, cooking, and clothing systems in place before figuring out what pack to get.
 
^ all good advice

I'd add that the pack should be one of your last purchases if your just getting outfitted, you choice of packs will be very dependent on what gear your going to be carrying, a low volume, light pack isn't going to work if your load-out is heavy and bulky

for sleeping bags on the cheap, check the thread I started a couple of weeks go- pretty good bargain on a Kelty down bag
 
I'd start off with a kelty redwing 3100, you can get them at sunny sports right now for a great price!!!
 
^^ this guy beat me to it.

I don't own one, as they aren't really my cup of tea, but I don't think I've heard any lower-priced pack raved as much about as the Kelty Redwing 3100 (well, maybe the Medium ALICE pack, if you don't mind military gear).
 
For a newb, i'd recommend going to a big outdoors outfitter like REI and having someone help you find a pack that will fit you well - torso and waist.

This is excellent advice and I wholeheartedly recommend that you start here first (lots of great advice in this thread). Like fitting shoes, everybody has slightly different and unique biomechanics that can be better addressed with a proper fitting. Some brands and models of packs just don't fit certain people regardless of price and features. It is those small details, good or bad, that will compound themselves on the trail and determine your overall comfort. Don't forget to WEAR that pack in the store WITH the amount of weight that you will be carrying on the trail. Trying on an empty pack will give you very little useful information (sort of like sitting in a new car without driving it).

The packs that we currently use are anything but "durable." We did our last trip on the PCT (southbound) with ultralight packs that weigh empty around 2 pounds. Full, our packs are around 15 - 20 pounds (with water). I don't recommend the ultralight backpacks for newer folks until they log a significant amount of trail miles and gain some valuable experience. You may want all the conveniences of home (for the "durable" pack) or, you may not and can do with less. My old bones appreciate "less" these days. :)

Yes, I would start with a synthetic sleeping bag first. Purchase the best you can afford and try it out (in the store) before making the purchase. You won't sleep well in a bag that is too small. Too big, the bag won't keep you as warm as it should. Temperature ratings on sleeping bags can never be accurate because everybody is different. However, those temperature ratings can give a reasonable baseline to start with. Consider your environment, season of the year, and the average nighttime temperatures and go 10 - 20 degrees colder than that on the sleeping bag rating. The better bags (you often get what you pay for) will be lighter weight, have better zippers (cheap zippers can ruin your night...believe me), better covers and insulating materials.

Have fun and be safe.
 
What ever bag you get, don't leave it compressed when you get home. Open it up, let it dry, and leave it either hanging up in a closet or at least in the larger bag. The sleeping bags I have came with two bags, compression and a storage bag.
A compressed bag will not fluff back up the next time you need it.

Huge +1 to that, though any bag you buy should come with that instruction.
 
Kelty and Mountainsmith make good quality, affordable packs. They both have tents and sleeping bags, too. They won't be super light or compact, typically lacking the latest high-tech materials, highest grade down, etc. but should be solid gear at a modest price.
 
Some links for some good deals for someone just starting out but do what others have suggested and get fitted at REI before you buy look around and save $$$$ the stove listed is one i have used heavily for 4 years without fail the filter was the first one i bought 13 years ago at a time when i lived out of a backpack and boots kept me without a stomachach there were times i didn't leave the mountains for 6 months. You don't have to go crazy to start. I had a blue tarp from Kmart the filter below a sleeping bag also from Kmart it wasn't easy but spent my first 6 months alone outside the Tetons i was 17 or 18 did it again 2 years later and the better gear made the greatest difference
good luck and im sure the gear you choose will do you well



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There are 4 REI's in the Portland area. Go there and spend some time with a pack you are interested in. They'll adjust it for you, fill it with some weight and you can cruise around with the thing for a bit in the store.

Also they do rent packs and that may help you decide.

There are hiking clubs in the area too. Lots of good resource with them.
 
I enjoy using the Black Diamond backpacks, I've got the bullet I use as a daypack and the Nitro I use as my weekender pack. As many have recommended I would head down to your local outdoors dealer and try out a bunch and see which fits best.

Nothing worse than finding out your pack doesn't sit well on your back 2 days into a 5 day hike :grumpy:.
 
I'd start off with a kelty redwing 3100, you can get them at sunny sports right now for a great price!!!

I wholeheartedly second this recommendation. Even though I've not traditionally been a Kelty fan, I would have to say that the Kelty Redwing 3100 is the best all-around backpack I have ever owned. It's just a timeless classic and yet somehow they keep refining it. Big enough for shorter overnights (esp. if you strap some things to the outside), yet small enough for day trips. The MSRP is around $100, but they are often on sale. Recently you could get them as low as $50 on Amazon!

Otherwise, if you want a larger pack, REI has really come into their own with their house brand. Keep an eye out for their sales. If you're a member, they still have a 20% off coupon until April 10. I have an REI Mars pack and it's pretty well built.

I also second what was said about "lightweight" packs. Stay away from them!!!!

Check out Sierra Trading Post. They have beaucoup deals on Lowe Alpine, Gregory, Mtn Hardwear, etc.
 
I also second what was said about "lightweight" packs. Stay away from them!!!!

I would stay away from the ultralight ones without frames and all that unless you have the requisite gear, but you can get a full featured pack that weighs in around 3-4 lbs with a frame, excellent materials, and suspension substantial enough to handle 30-40 lbs. I use an Arc'Teryx Axios 50 and can carry ~30 lbs and still be very comfortable. Osprey and Gregory have similar packs.

Of course, like others said, you have to have the gear to go with the pack. I couldn't get away with that pack if my gear was still the heavy and bulky stuff I had a decade ago. My first real backpacking pack was a Gregory Forester, which weighed about 50 lbs and was crammed to the brim when I had a full load of gear in there. Getting small and light and still staying comfortable (sleeping pad, sleeping bag, hammock/tent, etc.) can get expensive real fast.

Sleeping bags will put you in a similar boat. Assuming the same temperature rating, getting smaller and lighter will be more expensive. You can get a bulky synthetic 32 degree bag for $60 or you can get a ~1 lb Nalgene bottle size Western Mountaineering down bag for $300, with a lot of options in between. Down is generally more expensive than snythetic, and higher fill ratings of down are going to be smaller and lighter, while being more expensive.

Synthetic will still insulate you about 60% of its dry effectiveness when wet, where down loses its insulation properties when wet. In reality, being in a wet sleeping bag sucks hard either way, so keep your bag dry. Keeping it in a dry bag and using a little bit of common sense will go a long way. I have never gotten a down bag wet and I have yet to go on a trip where it didn't at least drizzle part of the time. Set up your tent/hammock FIRST and then take the sleeping bag out of the dry bag inside the dry tent/hammock. Do the reverse in the morning if it is still raining or wet. If it is not raining and you are concerned about condensation from inside the tent, lay the bag on top of your tent in the sun while you are making breakfast and breaking camp.

Whatever you go with, get a liner of some kind. I like silk, but any will work, as long as it is not cotton. Liners are way, way easier to clean than sleeping bags, and your accumulated funk will go on one at night. If you get the thicker ones, they can add a decent amount to the bags temperature rating. Sea to Summit makes some that add something like 25 degrees.

And yeah, go to a store that knows what they are doing. They should have a torso measurer and weight bags to help properly fit the pack to you. REI employees are usually trained on how to do all that. For sleeping bags, get inside it in the store and move around. Insulation only works when it is not compressed, so keep that in mind. You want it to be close to your body without excessive air space, but not so close that it is compressed.
 
I have a Kelty Red Cloud 5600. I like it a lot. Plus it is usually pretty cheap. It is a little bit heavier and larger than lots of the other stuff out on the market though.

I love my down sleeping bag. It is warm and lightweight but it also takes up very little space.
If you are on a budget I would check out geartrade.com and also look into going to a REI garage sale/used gear sale. That is where I got my sleeping bag and also my hiking shoes. They also frequently have packs.
 
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