Bad Etiquette...

Hey Folks:

Fullplate Sir, it IS a tenet of the Sikh religion to carry a knife at all times with yourself. It is called a Kirpan (composed of two words, one which means mercy and the other dignity). Therefore, the Kirpan is only to be wielded in defense of those principles. Do I carry one? No, because I am not a Sikh yet. When I make that commitment, I shall also carry a Kirpan. The “stereotypical” Kirpan is usually a Pesh Kabz/Khanjar/Khyber Knife, but is not limited to these only. Other knives, such as Katars and Khukris, and even swords such as the Scimitar, Khanda, Tegh, etc, can be used as Kirpans, provided they are only raised in defense of the above two principles.

Rusty Sir, I could cry you a river because I have no access to a Gatka teacher. I am on the Easy Coast and most of the Gatka teachers in the U.S. are on the West Coast. I have observed some techniques with Gatka and I think that it can have principles of Gatka applied to it to be wielded effectively. If any of you folks want to see a clip of Gatka warm-ups and a few sparring moments, you can view the clip at the link below. I think that the technique being used with the Katar can be applied to the Khukri, although the Khukri might end up breaking the shield!!! (it is 35 megs or so…so it may take quite some time to see…not recommended for you dialup folks…):

http://www.gursikhijeevan.com/media/video/files/web_final.wmv

My interest in Khukris started with an innocent search for a Kirpan seller. I found a couple of places, but was dis-satisfied as there was no information on the steel type, heat treatment, etc. available on the Kirpans. So I did a search around and found some information on Khukris, which lead me to HI. I was impressed at the profiles of the Khukris and their sturdy construction, not to mention the materials used. In particular, I was fascinated by Bura Sahib’s “New Model”, which had a graceful profile and an appropriate length (looking for one which is 12 inches or a shy bit bigger). Yes, I did see the Dui Chirra, but that would put a “Chirra” in my bank account! But I also have been hearing about the Gelbu Special. I am still searching and will eventually (and hopefully) invest in a Khukri, but right now, I am on a college student budget for now until soon to approach graduation.

Rusty Sir, I would be honored to discuss ANY questions or topics that you may want to discuss. All you have to do is ask. And very few things offend me so do not be shy! What to call me…hmmm…you could use Manny or ms514, either one is good.

Just a burning question of mine. Now, traditionally, Khukris sharpen the bottom of the blade to be used as the cutting surface and leave the top unsharpened. Anyone here ever heard of convex edging the top of the blade by the tip until the distinctive bump of the spine to be used for upper cuts much like a bowie knife? I know, not too many here have had to uppercut a hedge, but I am talking combat purposes. Now, don’t go ruining your precious blades on this and come back to yell at me!!!

Thread Veer. Boy I read tat wrong. Veer = brother in my language. Veering is all good, makes this forum unique and keeps this forum alive and bustling.
 
Mohd Sir:

"Ho Gaya Hai Tujhko To Pyar Sajna" - yep, "Khukri Ne Mujhko Pyaar Se Mar Diya".

:p
 
We need a Sikh to insist upon a knife on a commercial jet carrier. Religious freedom and all. Then we need to form a second amendment religion.



munk
 
Wow!

For those on dialups...I have a fairly fast cable modem setup and it took me almost eight minutes to download the clip. :grumpy:

Imagine the blades in your kitchen blender (yeah, the sharp ice crusher ones) being 4 or 5 feet long...these guys whip one or two around them in such a way that I don't see how anyone could even get close to them...and then they advance on each other jumping and dancing around. They handle those blades in ways that I can't even whip my pocket folders (closed!) :eek:

Manny...*VERY* impressive! I wonder how a Bando Master/Shaolin Priest/the Highlander ;) would fare against them?

Dumb American question for the night: I saw a lot of blue and yellow turbans...are those related to something serious or just team colors?
 
Hello Mr. Nasty:

Colors of turbans do not denote any special status or anything. Traditionally, Sikhs have worn blue,white, black and yellow/orange uniforms as their colors in battle. So that is the reason why those colors are present. Not say that other colors are not allowed. Ultimately, it comes down to preference.
 
Manny it will be.

My mom was born to Hungarian immigrants living outside of Livingston, California, a hundred-twenty or forty miles south of Sacramento on US 50.

What I found interesting was one of the last trips we took to visit family there, we drove around the old home town and the real suprise was finding a brand-new looking Sikh temple in podunk little Livingston!
 
Okay...veer time!

I'll put a fiver on the Highlander!

:D
 
Yep. California has a substantial Sikh population...probably like the temprature there... :cool:

Mr Yvsa, thank you for having me.

Yikes...been here barely a few days and already I got people betting on fights...uh-oh!!! :eek:
 
Manny-- I live about an hour away from Yuba City, which has a substantial Sikh population. They have a huge (40,000+ atendees)Sikh festival every year, but I have yet to attend. Now that I know there are knives involved, I'll have to check it out:)
--Josh
 
Josh...from what the video shows, it'd be a trip worth making!
 
Nasty-- I'll definitely check it out. I'm not going to try to watch the videos now because I am at home on a 56k modem :( However, I did see some Sikh sword videos a while back in the HI forum, and they were awesome. I'm not sure if it was Gatka or not. Are there other Sikh martial arts that involve swords? Anyway, impressive stuff. I need to find out when that festival takes place.
--Josh
 
Ah yes. Yuba City aka. Little Punjab. That procession should have some Gatka demonstrations.

Gatka is the traditional martial arts of the Sikhs for quite some time. However, as Sikhs have moved to other countries, inclusion of technique with other martial arts might be adapted by the teacher.

Gatka teaches the weaponry aspect of combat. Non-weapon combat training was done with another martial art - Indian Wrestling. Other than these two, I would have to say that no other martial arts were practiced using swords, though learning them is not discouraged.
 
Thanks guys for nice welcome. I am not around enough these days to be mannerly. But next Tuesday should be back at the screen in Reno.
 
Dear Mr. Martino:

Take your time. Be with your family. Hope that everything turns out for the best with your father and yourself.

Prayers for all those who are in a difficult time.
 
Have to admire a religion that faces the question of evil head-on and makes preparations to kick the bleep out of it.

Personally I like to think "whomever" is in charge up there is as infuriated by sheeple who do nothing to preclude violence...

Let's just say I would not want to be in the position of trying to explain to "whomever" why I did nothing to stop what was done to my wife and son or others who were entrusted to me for protection.

But then again I hold a CCW permit.
 
Hi MS514, Thats an incredible video well worth the broadband download!

I Noticed how at spot on 5 mins a fellow pulls his swing so he doesnt behead a bystander! very nicley done! Thats realy shows the concentration.

Some of those lions were very skilfull, one was like nothing ive ever seen, would love to see him with a long kukri or kora!

I used to work with sikhs in an iron foundry when I was 17/18, they were serious people, militant infact!. {early 1980s}

I hope you enjoy the forum.

Spiral
 
Hello Mr. Spiraltwista:

Hopefully the Sirs you were in contact with extended you their best hospitality. And I thank you for your welcome!
 
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