Badger Attack TAC - more questions.

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I have limited experience with this type of knife so I have some questions.

What type of grind does it have?

Why is it related to as an "attack", military type knife? It seems more like a an outdoors or survival knife to me rather than combat type.

Does TAC stand for tactical?

What is the hole in the guard for?

Why the large choil on an "Attack TAC"?

Thanks in advance for your patience with my ignorance.
 
Hey LikeHike:
What type of grind does it have?
The Badger Attacks (as do all current Busse knives) have a convex grind if you are talking about the edge.

Why is it related to as an "attack", military type knife? It seems more like a an outdoors or survival knife to me rather than combat type.
I would say that this knife would serve many purposes. I intend to use mine for a variety of things, but attacking isn't one of them:D

Does TAC stand for tactical?
TAC stands for tactical, but refers not to the purpose of the knife, but rather the handle style.

What is the hole in the guard for?
The hole, called a "talon hole" is often used on larger blades to tie a D-guard out of paracord to protect the knuckles while chopping. Some folks put their Busse dog tags on them. I think this is unique to Busse knives (trademarked) as far a production models go. Here is a link for the D-guard: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=354105&highlight=guard

Why the large choil on an "Attack TAC"?
This question has come up before and caused some arguments. I recall someone questioning the choil on a combat knife as something that would interfere with extracting the knife from a victim. Like I said I don't plan to stab anyone with mine (hopefully), but the large choil allows you to choke up on the blade for more precise cutting.

Hope this helps. I'm sure others will chime in. Many folks around here have much more experience with Busse than I do. But I'm learning the way.
 
All current Busses do not have a convex grind. The SJT does so I expect the the BATAC probably will too. The BATAC is essentially a shorter SJT.
 
The BATAC has a full flat primary and all Busse's are supposed to come with a convex ground edge (The SJTAC came with a full convex primary and a convex grind on the edge as well. They have not been shipping asymetrical edges unless requested for some time. Some appear to be asymetrical but were probably just not given a perfect convex finish on each side. Jerry's words....I wouldn't pretend to know how every blade leaves the shop). The TAC is just the handle shape and is probably derived from "tactical" as it is comfortable in several grips including reversed grip. If you think about it the Badger Attack models have always provided a LOT of knife and a lot of capability in a relatively small package...much like the attack of a badger.
 
Sorry...The BATAC LE has a full flat primary grind...

The CG BATAC has a saber. Both have same primary grind angle.
 
Dunner is right on the money. :thumbup:

The Satin Jack TAC is the only knife to have a full height convex grind.
The large choil on the BATAC is used for choking up on the knife for fine knifework.
The Badger Attack doesn't mean it's a military knife. Nor does the TAC handle. It's just a different handle style.
The Badger is a VERY aggressive and defensive animal and is a physical powerhouse in a small package. The knife shares these qualities and is named after the animals very ferocious attacks.
The Talon Hole is patented by Busse. It serves many uses. Lke the D-guard Mike mentioned. I often use it to bend or break wire. Works much easier than using your fingers.
The BATAC CG has a saber grind with a convex edge, the BATACLE has a full height flat grind with a convex edge.
Hope that helps. :thumbup: :D
 
I'm pretty sure the Game Wardens I've got from the BCS are saber ground -- full flat from the spine with a ~50-60 degree inclusive secondary bevel.
 
My HR and Black Tie Warden do not have a convex edge. I don't have a CGFBM, but I believe they must have a "v" edge as people have posted about making them convex.
 
your all crazy:rolleyes: :D .

This is from memory, and I reserve the right to modify it to be correct should I turn out to be wrong :foot:

Considering only the current generations line up, disregarding military over runs and customs (such as the flying moask for those who forgot :) ):

active duty - high flat saber
nuclear air rescue (nark) - low flat saber
meaner streen - full flat
leaner meaner street - high flat saber
force one - high flat saber
hell razor - mid convex saber, corrugated
natrual outlaw - high flat saber
pork belly skinner - high convex saber, corregated
skeleton key - full hollow
game warden - full flat
war boar - dagger ground hollow corrugated
satin jack tac - high to full convex saber
Hog satin jack tac le - high to full convex saber
badger attack tac - high to full convex saber
hog badger attack le - full flat
ak47 - high convex saber
nuclear ice pick - none, square :D
fusion steel heart - high to full convex saber
hog fusion steel heart - high to full flat
fusion battle mistress - high to full convex saber, corrugated
fusion battle mistress le - full flat



man... whatever happened to the giant skeleton key?
 
the Badger Attack is just the name- it does not mean that it is for attacking anything.

The Hole in the guard is the "talon hole" which is a trademark of Busse Combat.
 
also worth noting that there is a difference between a "fighting knife" and a "combat knife", as in - a fighting knife is used in physical hand to hand altercations, a combat knife is used in a combat zone. one is meant to be able to hurt the human body, the other is meant to withstand the rigors of dialy general use and abuse without failure.
 
I thought it was called that because it was made especially for the Revolution soon to be waged against those pesky Badgers. Right? Everyone knows we don't need no steeenkin' Badgers!
 
If I had to go after a badger with a knife, it would be an AK.. The BATAC would put me way too close to mess with one of them! :eek:
 
Last Visible Canary said:
your all crazy:rolleyes: :D .

This is from memory, and I reserve the right to modify it to be correct should I turn out to be wrong :foot:

Considering only the current generations line up, disregarding military over runs and customs (such as the flying moask for those who forgot :) ):

active duty - high flat saber
nuclear air rescue (nark) - low flat saber
meaner streen - full flat
leaner meaner street - high flat saber
force one - high flat saber
hell razor - mid convex saber, corrugated
natrual outlaw - high flat saber
pork belly skinner - high convex saber, corregated
skeleton key - full hollow
game warden - full flat
war boar - dagger ground hollow corrugated
satin jack tac - high to full convex saber
Hog satin jack tac le - high to full convex saber
badger attack tac - high to full convex saber
hog badger attack le - full flat
ak47 - high convex saber
nuclear ice pick - none, square :D
fusion steel heart - high to full convex saber
hog fusion steel heart - high to full flat
fusion battle mistress - high to full convex saber, corrugated
fusion battle mistress le - full flat



man... whatever happened to the giant skeleton key?
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I understand the diff between saber and flat. What is hollow? (This is even though I have an SK :-)

Also, which is the most difficult to grind and what is the relative pro/cos of saber, vs flat vs hollow?

Thanks (I realize this has probably been discussed ad nauseum somewhere on this forum, but figured I'd ask since this thread is up).
 
ColdOne said:
If I had to go after a badger with a knife, it would be an AK.. The BATAC would put me way too close to mess with one of them! :eek:
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That's where the "tac", as in tactical, comes into play on this model. See that was missing in the previous Badger models and it got ugly in the intial uprisings. I think Jerry has worked this out, and we should be fine this time. Victory is ours *waving clenched hand high*.

rt014 said:
I understand the diff between saber and flat. What is hollow?
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Hollow ground is when the blade is ground with a C-shape to it. They grind into it to make a concave shape. It's lighter, but I don't know the benefits. I've never ground a blade, so they're all "harder" to produce for me. I think Garth can handle anything though.
 
rt014 said:
I understand the diff between saber and flat. What is hollow?
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This seems like a good time to post this nifty diagram I found somewhere on the 'net. The red line marked "relief" is equivalent to a sabre grind.

complexedgeshapediagram.jpg


Note that this only deals with primary grinds. Whatever the primary, you could have either a V-grind or zero-grind edge.

Rick
 
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