BALI SONG MASTER!

folderVSfixed, your statement on Buck 110 "literacy" is correct, but it's not me. It's too famous for a knifeknut in any country to miss. My concern was the popularity among non-knife people.

I hope one thing to balisong competition to be added. The "good sound" prize. Watching and listening to competitors' tapes of manipulating balisong, and judge it by sound.
I, still a fan of old BM balisong, just want to give chance to good old BM balisongs with steel handles, and those who polish their skills in terms of beautiful sound.

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Mizutani Satoshi
 
Sorry to bring this back to the top, but I just checked out Gollnick's movie clips and, although low frame rates, he looks pretty good flipping around that benchmade.
I wasn't implying (in my posts above) that he couldn't manipulate a bali, hell Mario's probably more skilled at it then me
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Just that without proof, no one can proclaim themselves in here.

Now Gollnick, maybe if you would sell me one of your custom BMs, you could buy a digital camcorder to make better movies?
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~Howdy

"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much [he] learned in seven years."
-- Mark Twain
 
I just couldn't resist bringing this back to the top once more.One more e-mail for the master.
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This can't die yet, folks. We still haven't got much about a contest. From what I can gather here, nobody is interested and I should drop the idea.



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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
I think everybody is interested in a competition, but there are two obstacles to it that I can think of:

1) Everybody on this board is spread out over half the world (all the world if you live in the US).

2) There is a good possibility that if Clay or Gollnick showed up, all the competitors would concede <G>.

Okay, the first one is much more of an issue...
 
I like the idea of a contest. I would like to come and watch. (I consider myself merely average, and not up to competitive levels. Yet!) Unfortunately the distance is too great for me to make the pilgrimage this year. If I had a vote, this is what I would like to see:

1). Compulsory: Each contestant is given a list of manipulations (well in advance of the contest) that are to be done in order and in a certain time limit. (Which should be just long enough to get it all in.
Judging criteria: Completion of routine on time.
Technical ability i.e. Do the handles open and close cleanly. No skin getting caught in between and deadening the sound. Fluid motions from one manipulation to the next. And of course, no dropping.

Each criteria can be worth .1 - 1 pt.

2). Free style: Each contestant gets x amount of time to do what they want.
Judging could be the same as above with the addition of points for creativity and artistic impression.


Or maybe not
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Doubt is an uncomfortable condition,
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....hmmmm, Im starting to think we just need more public exhibitions of bali manipulation before it can take off and evolve into a competitive type thing. But with the legal crap we all deal with, I dont see this happening anytime soon
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"I see you played knifie spoonie before..."
 
Speak for yourself! I would not concede!
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exactly! The good ole Balisong has been around alot longer than the internet. This poses an enteresting story line.
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Really, who is the best? Personally I think that I belong in the top six billion. (World wide of course)!
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"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
How about the board pays for the air fare?
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it takes 22 hrs flight to reach just US ..

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Chris
"To use or not to use your Balisong - that is the question"

Indonesian Balisonger
 
Things seemed a little slow on the forums today, so I thought I would bring back an oldie but goodie.
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Wow! What a thread! I'm glad for its ressurection as I missed out on this one.
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Whatever it is you do, no matter who you are, or how well you do it, there is always someone better. I am, by leaps and bounds the most talented person with a balisong I have ever met... !!BUT!! I haven't met all 6 billion+ people on this planet. And I'm sure to my core that a good majority of the people on this forum would put me to shame. But then again, if this is an issue that really bothers you, than maybe you have some other things to work on.

The competition sounds great. And there's the matter style that was brought up. I, like Gollnick, prefer to keep it smooth and graceful. But I LOVE watching Clay's snap-poppin' machine gun routines, which I could never do. Thats what makes manipulating so great. You can do the same move as another, and keep your own style at the same time. There should be a technical comp. (i.e. speed, cleanliness, variation), as well as a purely artistic basis. Judging by esthetics is not anything that can be done out of a book, but that's never stopped dance contests, or karaoke-a-thons.
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~Dave

"One in the hand is worth two in the sheath"
 
Ha HA Ha
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six billion and one!
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Sabo 29
"Catch you on the flip side"!
 
Hmm..a master? Well,I've been doing stuff with the balisong since 1983-4.Back then,amongst friends and others,I was only 1 of several "masters".But you have to realize,there's so many people using balisongs,and many of them can be considered to be "masters" in their own rights.I've seen Clay's site,and yes,he's a master in his own ways,although I may disagree with a lot of what he does.I'm not one for doing moves which take a long time and involve a lot of almost useless moves (flash techniques).I prefer to keep it pretty straight and simple,with only a minimum amount of flash.
Over the years,I've seen many people doing their tricks with the balisongs,and a lot are damned good...hell,I've even taught quite a few people myself,mostly friends and a few aquaintances.Back in our beginning days,Jeff Imada had just put out the first Balisong Manual,but we hadn't seen it yet,so we were left to figure out things on our own.
We ate,drank and slept with our blades,and sat for hours watching television and practicing the newest moves (and the old ones)in order to make them second nature.There wasn't an hour which would go by (except when in deep sleep)when you wouldn't hear the sounds of the handles clicking together.We even played with them during our regular D&D game sessions,and even created a version of them to use as weaponry in the games.
After we had already gotten down pat what we considered to be the "basics",we started creating many other moves,constantly striving to make the balisong maneuvers into an art form.We created a lot of great moves during those days.It was shorly after this that we got to see the first Balisong Manual.We saw in it all the basics which we had figured out ourselves,and realized that our newer moves were well beyond the basics.
Years later,I picked up a copy of the Advanced Balisong Manual,and noticed that some of our newer moves were in there.There were also a lot that weren't.I didn't care for some of the moves Mr. Imada showed in that book,because I figured they weren't all that useful for my style.But,I have to hand it to Mr. Imada,he brought the art of the balisong to many people with his books.He is a true master,and will always be respected by myself and other for his methods and styles.
I can understand how someone can think of themselves as a master,but for many it can only be a "local" thing.Until such time as they can get together with others who can teach them many new things,sure,they can be a master in their own little world
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Now,as far as a competition goes,it is a great idea.But,it would be tough to put together.One thing anyone should consider when putting one together is,in many states,even though balisongs are "illegal",some of these same states do allow standard "martial arts competitions".Some of these include kata shows with different weaponry,which are almost always judged.What we would be doing with a balisong competition is very much the same in almost all respects.The only main difference is a lot of us don't belong to any "school".But,it's a possibility that we can use the same methods these other competitions use in order to get it allowed in many states.
Of course,we would need a panel of well known balisong users & makers to become the judges.There could be several types of contests which would also show how good a participant is in skill.But first,the panel would have to set up a list of standard "basic" moves,and a list of what would be "intermediate" moves.Anything else would be considered "advanced".
For a participant to advance in the competition,they would have to show their skill and knowledge in the basic category.If they have all the basic moves covered,they would go into the intermediate category.There,they are judged in the same method.After a participant is set solidly into either of these categories (which just implies the total level of their skill),they can participate in a "speed" contest,doing certain moves as fast as they can without screwing up.Another is "smoothness",where they have to show proper grace when performing the moves.Then,they can perform all of the moves in their skill level in whatever order they wish,as long as they keep the knife moving,with only a brief pause to show the proper ending of the move.This is basically a "freestyle" contest,but only using the moves considered to be standard for the skill category.
Anyone that shows that they know everything in the intermediate category is considered to be "advanced",although they should be able to perform at least one move that could be considered to be advanced.If there is a list made of standard advanced moves,they can be judged on their knowledge and skill with the moves.If they pass that,they go into a challenge where they show any moves that they have which aren't on any of the lists.After this,they too are judged on speed,smoothness and the first form of freestyle.After this,they are judged on a full freestyle,in which they perform any and/or all the moves they know,in any manner they choose.
I think that these ideas are good for at least a start,and are fair for the judgement of each individual's skills.The only problem I can foresee right off-hand is the fact that not everyone has the same name for any specific move.This would have to be solved before any type of contest could happen.
You could probably have someone as an advisor show each person each move once and tell them what it's name will be for the competition.This would be the easiest solution as far as I can see.
I hope this has helped spark some ideas in those who could be instrumental in putting a competition together.And one last thing,you could always have the judges who are users of the balisong show their stuff as a special exhibition to the rest of us
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Hello Mr. MacCanine. Nice to have another new face.

I have two hours at the Oregon Knife Show to fill. The opportunity is still available.


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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
 
Well,it's good to see that the balisong hasn't been forgotten during all the years I was out of the loop,so to speak.
It's also good to see that there is a lot of good natured conversation going on as well as helpful hints in the forum.I just happened to find my way in last night thru Clay's site..figured I'd check it out.And,from what I've seen,I like it
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It wasn't me...It was my *good* twin..
 
In case we lose the archives in the "upgrade", I thought that I would send this up one last time.

What a trolling dumb-ass dork.
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Doubt is an uncomfortable condition,
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does it accutally have to be proven. I mean I know i can handle a song pretty good, showing off and using one for defense is two different things. Going through all kinds of moves could get you a piece of lead between the eyes like the sword swinger in Indiana Jones. Indy didn't wait to see what the guy could do.

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