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Gollnick
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Mr. Menhir,
Welcome to bladeforums.com and The Balisong Forum!. Wow, we just keep attracting new folks. That's great.
Don't confine yourself to just this forum. There are dozens of great forums here that I'm sure you'll enjoy.
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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
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Welcome to bladeforums.com and The Balisong Forum!. Wow, we just keep attracting new folks. That's great.
Don't confine yourself to just this forum. There are dozens of great forums here that I'm sure you'll enjoy.
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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
Kyui Su Kim
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I guess you all beat on that. I have no martial art training except for 2 years of Tae Wan Do. I just like bali's.
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Hey, I'm 15. Anyway, I'm a green belt in Karate(i know, pathetic) but I am an aspiring martial artist with a burning Ki and knowledge in other arts. I really want to learn Escrima(Arnis) and other filipino arts as well as Aikido, Jeet Kune Do, and Wing Chun Kun Fu.
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"I must not fear, fear is the mindkiller. I will let the fear pass through me. After it has passed, only I will remain..." - Mah di'
It started with Tang Soo Do when I was younger. Then I started doing Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu a few years ago, along with Muy Thai and western boxing and a little Kenpo. I have been in a few Mixed martial arts matches (2-1) and then became a firearms instuctor. I got a 42 because it just looked so damn cool and am hooked. I have also purchased 6 knives in the last 6 months and am getting more. This is the best forum I have been on by far. Looking forward to what will come.
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For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. ROM 13:4
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For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. ROM 13:4
I love Florida!
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Hello Mr. Aztacman,
Another new name to welcome to the forum. Thank you for your compliments. We are glad to have you.
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Chuck
Balisongs -- because it don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing!
http://www.balisongcollector.com
Another new name to welcome to the forum. Thank you for your compliments. We are glad to have you.
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Chuck
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I currently hold a blue belt in Kosho Ryu/American Kempo, Five Animal Kung Fu, and Daito Ryu Jui Jitsu under Grand Master Robert Hoe who recieved his rank through Grand Master Simon Eli & Master Brent Crisci who recieved his rank through Grand Master Hoe. Can't say I have much Bali experience, I just goof around with my Jag, which has transfered over to my Nunchuka work.
Knifesmith, I live in Maine and I wouldn't say that you're the norm.(double bowie?
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Knifesmith, I live in Maine and I wouldn't say that you're the norm.(double bowie?
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Ive not had a whole lot of MA training in any one style. I live in a very, very small town. I've had some training in American Karate, Kickboxing, Shorin rue (spelled wrong i can't find my sheet from class)anda few others, plus some military stuff. I learned enough to defend my self. I hate cottas, so..... I might start taking american karate under a 5th deg black belt that is semi-local. Wish me luck, I'll need it
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Harvie,
It is "Shorin Ryu" (Shorin is the Japanese reading for Shaolin -little forest, the famous Chinese place, and Ryu is school/style).
Good luck with your next training. I guess you know that the most important in a MA club is not the Art which is taught there but the instructor.
Guillaume
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It is "Shorin Ryu" (Shorin is the Japanese reading for Shaolin -little forest, the famous Chinese place, and Ryu is school/style).
Good luck with your next training. I guess you know that the most important in a MA club is not the Art which is taught there but the instructor.
Guillaume
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I've been told that in some American MA (like Kempo) schools, after the Black Belt, you have to study other styles and/or weapons.
Is balisong taught in American MA clubs (I mean in NON Filipino Arts clubs) ?
Guillaume
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Is balisong taught in American MA clubs (I mean in NON Filipino Arts clubs) ?
Guillaume
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In my school/system, a student may choose to learn a weapon when he/she reaches black belt level. He/she can then learn other weapons that my system teaches after they master their current choice. About Balisongs, I really don't think non-American MA teaches them. My sensei said himself when I asked him that if he ever tried to flip a bali he would kill himself.
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Weapons training begins at orange belt but it is more to aquaint individuals with the various arms.(a weapons yours only as long as it's in your hands, so we train with multiple weapons.) Usually students don't dedicate all their time on one weapon unless they plan on competing with it. To my knowledge balisong isn't taught but knife defense/counter knife is manditory above orange belt. As for as cross training it's not incouraged in students who haven't reached black belt because it usually interfer's with training, but most instructor within' our school system have cross trained. All in all cross training is encouraged in our instructors because they have a more diverse martial knowledge. Altogether some teachers hold rank in Arnis/Escrima,BJJ,Ninpo,Kenpo,Jui Jitsu, Capoera(sp?),Gung Fu,TKD,Muay Thai,Tai Chi Chuan,Shotokan, & a couple other Karateka styles so if a studnt wants to learn something the oppertunity is there, it's great
. Balisong's are illegal up here so nothing is taught of their use.Shame really.
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Hey guys!!! It's been a while! How is everyone doing??
I'm not in a martial art and I don't plan on it, I just love flipping balisongs. I really don't have any time to go to a MA class even if I could find a good place around here, I'd probably take either Ninjutsu or some form of Kung Fu. School, work, balisongs, skateboarding, weight lifting, and tons of homework take up all my time. (does anybody know a lot about calculus and physics and could help me out??
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Cameron
"Look deep, deep inside and you will find a place of anger, vengeance, and brutality. Go there. It is your last hope to conquer the truly wicked."
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I'm not in a martial art and I don't plan on it, I just love flipping balisongs. I really don't have any time to go to a MA class even if I could find a good place around here, I'd probably take either Ninjutsu or some form of Kung Fu. School, work, balisongs, skateboarding, weight lifting, and tons of homework take up all my time. (does anybody know a lot about calculus and physics and could help me out??
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Cameron
A few of my balisongs
My Photopoint album
>>I'm not in a martial art and I don't plan on it
It's rare for a person not to study at least a little bit of the martial arts. Hand to hand combat is standard training in the military & police work. Grandmothers learn assertiveness training. Business men learn how to defend themselves against kidnappers & terrorists. It's offered in universities in their physical education department for exercise. It could be that there is someone out there who has never been exposed to the martial arts in some way, but it would be a rare individual not to know anything about it. Sense the Balisong is the Philippines contrabution to the arts, even to study how to use a Balisong is to study at least a small part of the Martial Arts. Thanks, JohnR7
It's rare for a person not to study at least a little bit of the martial arts. Hand to hand combat is standard training in the military & police work. Grandmothers learn assertiveness training. Business men learn how to defend themselves against kidnappers & terrorists. It's offered in universities in their physical education department for exercise. It could be that there is someone out there who has never been exposed to the martial arts in some way, but it would be a rare individual not to know anything about it. Sense the Balisong is the Philippines contrabution to the arts, even to study how to use a Balisong is to study at least a small part of the Martial Arts. Thanks, JohnR7
Guillaume,
Thank you,and yes. The teacher is the most important part of class. Second most important is your own attitude. I have a friend in that class, and his mother is one of the most wise people I have ever met, and even she likes him. He (the Instructor) has a sense of humor, and the right attitude. If he hears of any one bulling others with there training, there on the street, period. He teaches traditional weapons to his studentsthat he thinkswill stick with it and compete. No balisongs, I asked.
I went to this kickboxing school here in town that is new. The instructor was a major horses a**! He turned out to be Special Forces in some branch of the military or other. He had a very warped sense of respect! He says he's ordering headgear, does anyone want to buy some. my question, what kind/style? He tells me the kind you fight in! I said, "I know that, but thier are many different styles" He pulled me aside and gave me a lecture that started, "The first thing you need to learn in here is respect..." respect would be to let us know that he was moveing locations last year, instead of just not showing up one week, and then dissapearing for 9 months. I should have known better than to give him a second chance, but everyone diserves one. So to those of you out their that are thinking about starting a MA, check out the instructor very well first, ask around. thanks for listening to my rambleings
Thank you,and yes. The teacher is the most important part of class. Second most important is your own attitude. I have a friend in that class, and his mother is one of the most wise people I have ever met, and even she likes him. He (the Instructor) has a sense of humor, and the right attitude. If he hears of any one bulling others with there training, there on the street, period. He teaches traditional weapons to his studentsthat he thinkswill stick with it and compete. No balisongs, I asked.
I went to this kickboxing school here in town that is new. The instructor was a major horses a**! He turned out to be Special Forces in some branch of the military or other. He had a very warped sense of respect! He says he's ordering headgear, does anyone want to buy some. my question, what kind/style? He tells me the kind you fight in! I said, "I know that, but thier are many different styles" He pulled me aside and gave me a lecture that started, "The first thing you need to learn in here is respect..." respect would be to let us know that he was moveing locations last year, instead of just not showing up one week, and then dissapearing for 9 months. I should have known better than to give him a second chance, but everyone diserves one. So to those of you out their that are thinking about starting a MA, check out the instructor very well first, ask around. thanks for listening to my rambleings
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Harvie, I hope you'll get totally addicted to MA soon
I have another point regarding MA instruction. The instructor qualities (as a human) are for me the first point. Second is his pedagogy :
*** I prefer instructors who teach concepts rather than techniques ***
Teaching a concept means to have understood a global principle and to teach it directly to your student, demonstrating it by several different techniques/cases, but always underlining it's the same concept behind those techniques.
I think it's more efficient for students.
As there are thousands of techniques, it's better to understand a concept which will enable you to quickly assimilate many techniques rather than seeing each techniques independently, one by one.
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As we're in a balisong forum, let me find a knife defense concept.
For instance,
Concept : it's less dangerous to expose the top/outside of you arm to the blade than the bottom/inside (because of the veins which are near the skin in the inside of the arm).
Consequences : when you work on knife defense techniques, always try to block/deviate the attack with you arm in the correct position (so that you don't expose the weakest part of your arm).
This difference between concept & technique can be applied in many fields, like balisong flipping :
Concept : the rotation of a single handle is fluid when the pressure you put on it is minimal (but sufficient not to drop the knife).
Techniques : the classical double flip, the helicopter, etc...
Guillaume
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I have another point regarding MA instruction. The instructor qualities (as a human) are for me the first point. Second is his pedagogy :
*** I prefer instructors who teach concepts rather than techniques ***
Teaching a concept means to have understood a global principle and to teach it directly to your student, demonstrating it by several different techniques/cases, but always underlining it's the same concept behind those techniques.
I think it's more efficient for students.
As there are thousands of techniques, it's better to understand a concept which will enable you to quickly assimilate many techniques rather than seeing each techniques independently, one by one.
Example
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As we're in a balisong forum, let me find a knife defense concept.
For instance,
Concept : it's less dangerous to expose the top/outside of you arm to the blade than the bottom/inside (because of the veins which are near the skin in the inside of the arm).
Consequences : when you work on knife defense techniques, always try to block/deviate the attack with you arm in the correct position (so that you don't expose the weakest part of your arm).
This difference between concept & technique can be applied in many fields, like balisong flipping
:Concept : the rotation of a single handle is fluid when the pressure you put on it is minimal (but sufficient not to drop the knife).
Techniques : the classical double flip, the helicopter, etc...
Guillaume
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It's Kata btw, Harvie...