Ballistol again.

Yvsa

Yvsa

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I know this is short term and I have several horn handled models I am going to try the Ballistol on
in order to better evaluate this product.

I have a 15" horn handled Sirupati that I just recently received soaking in glycerin for several days and while it shined it up really nice I didn't see much change in color or grain.
Yesterday I wiped it down as well as the wood handled steel mounted villager I keep in the truck, got it out to show a friend and now
she wants one.
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I put Ballistol on both knifes yesterday and lo and behold this morning I check them out.
The Sirupati handle has grain in it that hadn't shown up before and the wood on the villager is shiny and rich looking.
I am totally blown away by the changes!!!
I don't know if the horn is responding to the several day soak in the glycerin and then the application of Ballistol or if it's the Ballistol itself that brought about the change. All the villager had on it was some boiled linseed oil so I know it was the Ballistol.

I have to go to the doc in a bit to get my back and knees injected
and when I get back All of my khukuri's are going to get treated with the Ballistol. None of them hae had anything put on them except some Rem Oil and boiled linseed oil.
There are some horn handled ones with some beautiful grain already showing. Tomorrow I will let y'all know how much a dfference if any took place over night.

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>>>>---¥vsa---->®

"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

........unknown, to me anyway........

Khukuri FAQ
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HI, THE NAVY USED THIS PRODUCT, AND I WANTED TO TELL YOU THAT IT DOES HAVE A ACID IN THE BASE PRODUCT. YOU MAY NOT WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE. HAVE A GOOD DAY. JERRY

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at any age !
Greetings from the GunMan
 
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The base material for Ballistol is Medicinal Grade Mineral Oil!!!!

The stuff can actually be used on your body for scrapes and cuts!
From the testimonials of many people it does not eat things alive.

The MSDA sheet that comes with it says.....
Reactivity Data.
Stability - Stable.
Incompatibility - None known.
Hazardous polymerization - none known too occur.
Hazardous decompoition - None known.

Ballistol-lube does not contain any components classified as "hazardous" by OSHA.

It is very flamabale.! Flash point is 126* F.

Compatability of Ballistol with other materials.

Ballistol-lube is Fully Compatable with _All Metals_ Including Aluminum.
However Ballistol dissolves TRACES of Copper, Zinc, Lead and Tombac and _CAN_, therefore be used to _CLEAN_ Brass, Bronze and Silver.

Ballistol is compatable with All types of unfinished woods. Ballistol _IS_ compatable with paints and varnishes which are _chemically resistant_ to _petroleum_.
Caution is recommended when using Ballistol-Lube on antique furniture or antique musical instruments. Paints and varnishes from past centuries may not be resistant to Ballistol-Lube.

Ballistol-Lube _WILL_ Chemically interact With and Partially or FULLY Neutralize substances of an _ACIDIC_
nature such as, but NOT limited to Human Sweat, _BATTERY FLUID_, residues from Tannic Acid in leather.

It can be used to _neutralize_ your battery terminals in your vehicles.
So if it can do that where does the acid base come in?!?

Ballistol-Lube's ALKALINITY.
Ballistol-Lube has a pH of between 8.5 and 9.5. This variance occurs because the pH of Ballistol-Lube can only be measured, when Ballistol-Lube is emulsified with water because the concentration of Hydronium ioons varies with the concentration of Ballistol-Lube in the emullsion. With an emullsion of 50gr. of Ballistol-Lube in 1,000 gr. of water a pH of 9 should normally result.

There's more about the ALKALINITY of Ballistol-Lube protecting metals against galvanic corrosion, acidic corrosion, and salt water corrosion
but I have written enough.
I am going to use it as it has already made a believer out of me and that many people having good testimonials about it can't be wrong.

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>>>>---¥vsa---->®

"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

........unknown, to me anyway........

Khukuri FAQ
Himalayan Imports Website
 
YES WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS ALL TRUE ! I DID
NOT MEAN THAT IT WOULD ( EAT ) THE THINGS UP,
HOWEVER IT WILL ETCH METAL IF YOU LEAVE IT ON IN A HEAVY FORM, ETCHED DOES NOT MEAN EATEN AWAY. IT HAS A ALKALINE IN IT'S BASE FORMULA, ALKALINE IS ACIDIC. DO TO MY BACKGROUND WE FOUND IT A GOOD CLEANER BECAUSE
IT DISSOLVES METAL AND POWDER. FOR YOUR WOOD
AND HORN HANDLES KROL OIL FINISH IS FAR BETTER, YOU CAN RUB IT IN UNTIL YOU ARE HAPPY WITH THE GRAIN AND THEN LET IT SIT AND
CURE FOR A VERY HARD FINISH.

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Toys are very important
at any age !
Greetings from the GunMan
 
Alkaline and acid are sort of opposites. Acidic is a pH of less than 7 and alkaline is a pH of greater than 7. A pH of 7 is neutral. Pure water has a pH of 7 but most water exposed to air is slightly acidic due to dissolved carbon dioxide. Baking soda, caustic soda, and calcium carbonate are alkalines. Both acids and alkaline are corrosive when they reach their pH limits (pH of 1 for acids, and 14 for alkaline). To neutralize an acid a base (alkaline) is mixed with it. Yvsa is correct in stating that it will help prevent acid corrosion and galvanic corrosion. I am not sure about saltwater corrosion. While this is not likely to be applicable to khukuri’s galvanized steel corrodes least when the pH is around 12.

Yvsa, does the lube come diluted with water?

Will
 
WE DID HAVE A ETCHING PROBLEM AT ONE POINT,
BUT IF I WENT IN TO DETAILS, I WOULD HAVE TO KILL MYSELF HA HA. NO IT IS A GOOD CLEANER. AND I HAVE USED GALLONS OF IT, JUST BE SURE TO WIPE IT OFF CLEAN. SORRY FOR THE CONFUSION
NOW I'M SCARED BILL. JERRY

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Toys are very important
at any age !
Greetings from the GunMan
 
Did some of the mixture evaporate and leave a corrosive residue when you used it Gunmaker?

Will

[This message has been edited by Will Kwan (edited 10-30-2000).]
 
Yvsa, you're such an enthusiast for this stuff I expect to hear next that you decided to skip the doctor's appointment for joint injections and instead just slathered on some Ballistol.
keep us posted.
 
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Will, the Ballistol-Lube comes as a clear liquid. When mixed with water it becomes a mlky white and still retains its lubricity. And when the water and substances in the B-L that can evaporate off do so you still have protection.
When mixed with tannic acid that's found in some leathers it neutralizes the acid and consequently the sheath or holster won't etch your gun or knife or at least is less likely too.
Oh!! And Will the B-L will soften leather. It states so on their website. Thought I had better mention that since I saw your question on the Hooflex thread.

You can learn more at their website here. http://www.ballistol.com/

Terry Sisco and his wife Sandi were just over and I gave Terry a sample sized can. Terry was rather impressed with the stuff too. I mixed some in water to show him how it worked. That's why it is effective against salt water corrosion.

Mochiman1 I really thought about that!!! I have to say that's much better than having 4" needles rammed into your lower back.
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And Jerry I ain't gonna argue with you. I don't try to teach pigs to sing either.
Since the Ballistol-Lube is used and approved by many organizations up to and including put on medical instruments and then
autoclaved
while leaving the sterilized lube in place after the process and the endoresments by black powder shooters and the use on guages and precision scales and other instruments without harm.
I think you have just perhaps had a bad experience with it.
Too much of anything can be bad for just about anything if left on too long.
My son can tetify to that after cleaning some issued M-16's with Easy-Off oven cleaner and letting it set overnight. It was Very good that he had a very understanding C.O. as all the weapons had to be sent out for refinishing.

And since you don't know me here the other guys do and they know that this is premature and will wait and see what else I have to say about the Ballistol-Lube. They also know that if it doesn't live up to my expectations that I will be the very first to let them know and consider the experiment null and void and the B-L not worth using or
recommending.
However there is one that lurks here that has already bought some and is very pleased with his first results just as I am, according to his e-mail.
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>>>>---¥vsa---->®

"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

........unknown, to me anyway........

Khukuri FAQ
Himalayan Imports Website


[This message has been edited by Yvsa (edited 10-30-2000).]
 
I told you in the first thread that over here in europe we use it since a long time, litterally generations. It is the same thing like with the khukuris. If it wasn't a really good product it would have been gone a long time ago.

Achim
 
Thanks for the link I sent in a request for information. It sounds very similar to the oil/water emulsions you would use as a coolant for machining. Mineral oil is a major component in many of these mixtures, though it would be hard to get a manufacturer to tell you this (usually get proprietary blend of oils and emulsifiers). Ballistol lube sounds like good stuff and has many properties desirable for corrosion resistance, ease of cleaning, and lubrication.

I am still not sure about the seawater corrosion resistance. I suspect the stuff would wash off quite easily if it forms a milky emulsion. A white emulsion usually means that the oil is contained in very small droplets in the water. This would mean that very strong emulsifiers are present. Unless the emulsifiers are evaporated off, whatever is left on the blade will be easy to wash off.

Yvsa, would you make up a small mixture and let it evaporate and see what is left?

Without experimentation we would have little progress. I'm looking forward to what you find out.

Will


[This message has been edited by Will Kwan (edited 10-31-2000).]
 
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I would be glad to Will. Although it may take a while as the humidity has finally came back to haunt us.
I will let you know how it turns out.


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>>>>---¥vsa---->®

"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

........unknown, to me anyway........

Khukuri FAQ
Himalayan Imports Website
 
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Oh Yeah,Bro!!!
I was sitting here this morning with both doors open enjoying this very unusual mild Oct,Nov, that we're having and then a Big Thunderstorm blew in. I had to shut the front door to keep the rain out and the porch is a fair ways out. I thought about lighting the furnace and now the suns back out and the humidity is 97% and it's probably 70*, so you know how that it is.

I just mixed up the B-L and water. I used 1/2 cap of B-L and 2 caps of water. Its appearance on 1st mixing is a milky white with a small amount yellowish looking oil on top. I set it on top of my WebTV unit that's always on so I can moniter it and not forget when the water evaporates to come back and report its qualities.


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>>>>---¥vsa---->®

"I would rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy."

........unknown, to me anyway........

Khukuri FAQ
Himalayan Imports Website
 
Heya guys, I dont drop in here often, but Im a BIG fan of this lube. I like its versatility, and use it on all of my folders. I find it works especially well with folders that employ teflon washers. Dunno why, but it seems to reduce the friction betweeen the teflon and the blade better than other lubes. On the emulsification. I have noticed previously that after its distinct smell evaporates, Ballistol looses its ability to emulsify, which I think is good, because I dont want my lube to just wash off in the rain
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