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[jon_slider]

Here are a couple of Camillus Tip Top Barlows making their way across the bay to me.

I find the Tip Top bolster in the 1946 Camillus catalog, but not 1948. I dont know what year jigged marroon Cabone started, nor whether it existed during the Tip Top bolster period. See this thread for a reference to jigged marroon Cabone
http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com/knife_forum/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=24281&start=15

Can anyone venture an opinion whether the jigged handle below is bone or Cabone?

fwiw, the blades are a match to this one. the Camillus bolster stamp appears in the 1948 catalog btw.

So Im left wondering whether the jigged handle is bone, the 1946 catalog does not list jigged handles. What do you think? Could it be earlier than 46? This is the source of the catalogs I looked at http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us

ps, I did try the Levine forum first, but it did not generate any response.

 

[wazu013]

 

[jon_slider]

Interesting variation on the Case pen blades, in front on the red bone, behind on the MOP. I favor pen behind. What is the knife on the left?

A bit more trivia about the upside down universe at Remington:
Notice that the bolster lettering is not upside down on these straight line Remingtons.

note also the shape of the pen blade tang on the straight line

Notice the upside down bolster lettering on this round stamp Remington.

on the round stamp Remington, note the "hidden kick" pen blade tang (easier to depress the pen in front, when fingernail is in the primary nick)

 

[Pipeman]

Here are my two, I Need More. A Belknap Bluegrass and the Charlie that I haven't been able to bring myself to use.

Best regards

Robin

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[jon_slider]

Keen Kutter (Walden?)

Keen Kutter model K2881 I would guess its Camillus made for EC Simmons due to the pin placement and tang stamp.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1148476-Keen-Kutter-and-Shapleigh-finds/page2
Keen Kutter model K254, Shapleigh 1940+

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1148476-Keen-Kutter-and-Shapleigh-finds/page2

Some key dates that apply to Keen Kutter knives:

(sources, except where otherwise noted: Levine's Guide to Knives and Their Values, 4th Edition and Pocket-Knives ... both authored by Bernard Levine)

1902 - E.C. Simmons Hardware buys Walden Knife Company
1904 - Keen Kutter "wedge and bar" logo was adapted (source: The Hardware Companies Kollectors Klub or THCKK)
1921 - E.C. Simmons dies at age 82
1922 - E.C. Simmons Hardware merges with Winchester Repeating Arms Company
1923 - Walden Knife Company is liquidated and its equipment and staff moves to the Winchester plant in New Haven, CT
1930 - E.C. Simmons Hardware and Winchester go their separate ways
1940 - E.C. Simmons Hardware is acquired by its major competitor and St. Louis neighbor, Shapleigh Hardware
1960 - Shapleigh Hardware closes

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So from about 1904 to about 1922, Keen Kutters were made by Walden Knife Company and from 1923 to about 1930 Keen Kutters were made at the Winchester plant (which used Walden's equipment and employed former Walden workers among others). From 1930 to 1940, I think Schrade Cutlery Company made Keen Kutters for E.C. Simmons (I'm going by patterns in Schrade catalogs of the period), but I'm not sure if Schrade was the sole contractor. I don't know who made the Keen Kutter for Shapleigh from 1940 to 1960, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Schrade was in the mix.

 

[Invoice]

 

[jon_slider]

could you please also show the number stamped on the pile side of the Camillus bolstered Barlow (Camillus stamped bolster used only from 1946-1950 I believe)… is that the one with a blade swap to a 16, (original would be 11, tang stamp gives it away)


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/497708-Camillus-Tang-stamps-and-dates

1946-1950

1960-1976

 

[Old Hunter]

Hammer Brand/Imperial shell handled Barlow. OH

 

[Brian.Evans]

I took this picture at my babies' birthday party. My grandpa is getting up there, and his body is slowly giving out. Every day with him is a gift. He was and continues to be a huge influence on me. Good man, a hard man whom time has mellowed. A man who did what it took to make life and hold onto it. He farmed his entire life, leaving high school at 13 after his mother died suddenly. His knife shows it. I loved sharing this memory with him. I'd love to find a nos or good condition Kabar like this if someone has a line on one.

Digging the knife out

The knife. Worn. Almost worn out. Not much snap left in it, but it works just fine for him.

 

[Invoice]

Here ya go Jon. Not the best picture. Stamp is very faint.

 

[jon_slider]

Here ya go Jon. Not the best picture. Stamp is very faint.

Thanks, here is a better shot, from the guy that did the nice reblading of your #11 Camillus Barlow, using NOS #16 Camillus equal end Jack blades.

 

[Invoice]

Jon are you saying you know the guy that did that? Former Camillus employee?

 

[jon_slider]

Jon are you saying you know the guy that did that? Former Camillus employee?

I corresponded with the seller of your knife and he told me he used NewOldStock blades he purchased in bulk, from Camillus model 16 Jacks (I believe from somewhere between 1960 and 76, not sure which year his are). He has another Barlow with the Camillus bolster and the #16 blades on the unspeakable place now, that the photos I posted come from. He did not mention having worked for Camillus, but yes he confirmed the blades are from #16 Camillus Jacks. You might email him and ask if he was ever Camillus staff. Share what you learn.

 

[Invoice]

Thanks Jon. Here are a couple of pics of a Western. Most likely made by Camillus.

 

[Invoice]

A couple of DB Barlows.


I do love that orange bone and D2 isn't bad either.

 

[jon_slider]

Thanks Jon. Here are a couple of pics of a Western. Most likely made by Camillus.

Very Nice!
Is there a model number on the Western pile side clip blade?
afaik, Camillus used a different pin position for the middle pin, it was not centered on the handle.. but instead looked like your Barlow with the Camillus stamped bolster..

Your Western might predate the 1991 acquisition of Western by Camillus. (Or Camillus may have used centered middle pins too, I dont know)

Here is a Russell I believe is Camillus made, note the middle pin is not centered, it is similar to the pin position on your Camillus bolster stamped Barlow above

My guess is your Western is older than 1991. By 1991 Camillus was only using 2 handle pins, and delrin handles, like this one

And as you will read below, by 1960 Western was using Delrin handles...

one feature of Camillus is they only swedge the Mark side of the primary, not the pile side.. does your Western have a pile side swedge? if so it might not be Camillus, but original Western.

Here is some GoogledFu info about Western model numbers, and the 1991 acquisition of Western by Camillus
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http://www.collectors-of-camillus.us/History/Camillus History.pdf
Today [2002], Camillus produces an impressive array of pocketknife patterns that vary with handle materials and patterns.
In 1991, the cutlery giant grew even more with the acquisition of the Western® Cutlery Company. Originally located in Boulder, Colorado, Western has been manufacturing knives since 1896.
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http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/122001-Western-Barlow
01-05-2001, 03:59 PM

The Western Barlow Knife (Model #822D) was most likely made in the 1960's or later. I found this knife in a 1964 Western catalog and the retail price was $2.50. This knife features a clip and pen blades, saw pattern handle and measures 3 3/8" in length. The "D" most likely indicates a Delrin handle.
Tom Williams
Western Cutlery Co.

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A couple of DB Barlows.

I do love that orange bone and D2 isn't bad either.

nice, I like the Queen made Dan Burke, it has a Wharncliffe blade with pile side nail nick right? I really like pile side nail nicks for secondary blades, especially with spear point primary blades.. More pics welcome

 

[Invoice]

LOL. I don't even know where it is right now Probably in one of the tool boxes at work were I keep my knives. I gotta keep them away from the kids
I think the slabs are Delrin.

 

[Invoice]

One of these days I would love to pick up a Buck Barlow.

 

[jon_slider]

LOL. I don't even know where it is right now... I think the slabs are Delrin.

I think youre right about the delrin (Im still not good at spotting the difference).. here let me help, I found your Western in my "tool box" LOL! (I still think it is pre-camillus, not that it matters.. I dont see a D after the 822 on the pile side tang, but agree its probably Delrin not bone)

http://www.allaboutpocketknives.com...p=277060&sid=97245ecae8d709e9890cf0781563a321

This week I'm auctioning off three knives for Tank. Auction starts now, runs til 8 PM Central on Tuesday 5 June 2012. All proceeds go to Tank, shipping is already covered.

When the auction is complete, I'll notify the winner. I've made arrangements with Philco to handle getting the funds to Tank, so he will contact the winner to arrange payment. As soon as Phil tells me he has the funds, I'll send the knife out USPS Priority.

This knife is a Western 822 Barlow, probably made in the early '70s or so. Standard Barlow length--about 3 3/8"--with clip and pen blades. Carried a lot (note the dings in the bolsters from keys etc, and the chips/dents in the bottom of the pile-side scale) but seems to have seen little use. If it was ever sharpened it was done lightly. Half-stops, but the springs feel "soft" and the knife is slow to close. The joints are a bit crudded up with dried oil etc, and that may resolve with some flushing.

Feel free to PM or email me with any questions. Thanks!
Jim

close-up of bolster:

ps, the pen blade tang and kick are different on my Camillus than on the Western:

 

[Invoice]

Half stops and sunken joints. It's a great knife. Too bad Western is gone also. Great little knives and great fixed bladed knives. I think I'll check out the bay