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Would love to know your thoughts on both.
Old School Heavyhanded video review!
Would love to know your thoughts on both.
Do you have any plans to make these in a 3"x10"?
Yummy!
I really like the manticore/arctic Fox fieldstone combo.Went ahead and ordered one, haven't picked up a new stone in quite some time (for me anyway). Also grabbed an Arctic Fox, will see how these do as one/two combo.
Very pleased with this purchase and really glad I realized the benefits of a really course stone!
"The Coarse Stone" is Secret #6 and is extremely important in my opinion.
Don’t forget about the American Mutt. Awesome and totally unique stone. It’s not as coarse as the manticore for aggressive reprofiling and manual grinding, but it can cover a huge swath of needs from your average coarse stone all the way up into a medium/fine.HeavyHanded and CasePeanut, I like your idea of a Manticore/Arctic Fox combo. I am already a fan of the Manticore and have read great reviews of the Arctic Fox, plus I like that it comes in Pocket Stone size. Will order a couple of configurations of this stone soon.
Looking forward to HeavyHanded's review, and bgentry's, if he does one.
Thank you for this great review. "The Coarse Stone" is Secret #6 and is extremely important in my opinion.
With that in mind I just ordered one of these and look forward to trying it out.
Brian.
So I've had a few minutes to play w/ the manticore and arctic fox stones, initial impressions are good.
Conditioned the manticore w/ loose 30 grit sic and arctic fox w/ 220 grit. The fox probably didn't need it but it'll just tone back to its true grit rating soon enough with use, and this way I'm sure the mfg glaze is not an issue.
Manticore rapidly resurfaced a 3/4 inch chisel, fox was able to overgrind the scratches very quickly. Resulting edge stropped on paper was quite sharp. Finish off the fox was comparable to a 1200 grit waterstone with good feedback and fast action. Bond strength is just barely soft enough that trailing passes to finish don't raise a burr on a clean edge. Stone didn't load at all.
Manticore cut fast, shed just a small amount in use and no grit large enough to cause trouble folliwing up with the fox. A solid bargain at that price. Do NOT just use it out of the box, like all coarse stones from the factory, the surface needs to be refreshed before it will work and this can take a bit of elbow grease to accomplish thru normal use.
Will do more with these in the near future, don't have much time of my own lately.
I got my Manticore last week. I've never conditioned a stone like this or flattened one. I grabbed an old screw and did straight and crosshatch patterns across the face of one side. 4 passes total over most of the surface. I suspect this was not enough.
I wiped off the grit and started in with a super dull Tramontina carving (or maybe general purpose) blade that had been gifted to me by a friend after it went incredibly dull on him. The manticore cut the steel, but felt slick. I continued for quite some time (maybe 10 minutes?) and wasn't very impressed with myself.
After the first round (30 seconds?) I noticed a chip missing from the middle of one edge of the manticore. It's small. Maybe 1/4 the size of my little fingernail. About as deep as it is wide. Every time I hit that with the blade a LOT more grit was shed, so I started avoiding it. I had to wipe away grit every few minutes, even though I avoided the chipped area.
Eventually I added mineral oil to the stone, which didn't change a lot. It got smoother, but still shed the same amount of grit and still felt "slick". I produced a burr on most of one side, flipped, and did the same. I never got a full burr on both sides and had become frustrated, so I moved on to the next stone, just to see what would happen.
After using a Fine India for a few minutes, the blade was slicing ad paper fairly well. Not impressive, but not totally dull either. I'm mainly mentioning the India because of the difference in feel: The India felt engaged with the blade. I could feel it's texture across the entire blade and stone surface. With the Manticore, I really don't have a feel for the stone. It's mostly slick but with some intermittent bite. It's difficult to describe. I'm not sure my description makes sense to anyone but me.
I'm fairly sure that this stone needs a good bit more surface conditioning. It feels a LOT like my Norton Medium Crytolon, which is VERY glazed from me using it dry for several years.
After this first experience, I don't think this stone cuts very quickly, but again, I'm pretty sure this is my fault and I would like to fix it. Opinions?
Brian.
Brian.
I got my Manticore last week. I've never conditioned a stone like this or flattened one. I grabbed an old screw and did straight and crosshatch patterns across the face of one side. 4 passes total over most of the surface. I suspect this was not enough.
I wiped off the grit and started in with a super dull Tramontina carving (or maybe general purpose) blade that had been gifted to me by a friend after it went incredibly dull on him. The manticore cut the steel, but felt slick. I continued for quite some time (maybe 10 minutes?) and wasn't very impressed with myself.
After the first round (30 seconds?) I noticed a chip missing from the middle of one edge of the manticore. It's small. Maybe 1/4 the size of my little fingernail. About as deep as it is wide. Every time I hit that with the blade a LOT more grit was shed, so I started avoiding it. I had to wipe away grit every few minutes, even though I avoided the chipped area.
Eventually I added mineral oil to the stone, which didn't change a lot. It got smoother, but still shed the same amount of grit and still felt "slick". I produced a burr on most of one side, flipped, and did the same. I never got a full burr on both sides and had become frustrated, so I moved on to the next stone, just to see what would happen.
After using a Fine India for a few minutes, the blade was slicing ad paper fairly well. Not impressive, but not totally dull either. I'm mainly mentioning the India because of the difference in feel: The India felt engaged with the blade. I could feel it's texture across the entire blade and stone surface. With the Manticore, I really don't have a feel for the stone. It's mostly slick but with some intermittent bite. It's difficult to describe. I'm not sure my description makes sense to anyone but me.
I'm fairly sure that this stone needs a good bit more surface conditioning. It feels a LOT like my Norton Medium Crytolon, which is VERY glazed from me using it dry for several years.
After this first experience, I don't think this stone cuts very quickly, but again, I'm pretty sure this is my fault and I would like to fix it. Opinions?
Brian.
Brian.
I doubt if I'll have a need to flatten the Manticore, since it's such a coarse stone, but if so, what would be the best/fastest way WITHOUT using lapping grit? I have enough stones and other sharpening supplies without buying more and I don't anticipate doing this often, if at all.
I'm thinking emery cloth or sandpaper in a 50 or lower grit but maybe there is a better way?
Thank you....
I doubt if I'll have a need to flatten the Manticore, since it's such a coarse stone, but if so, what would be the best/fastest way WITHOUT using lapping grit? I have enough stones and other sharpening supplies without buying more and I don't anticipate doing this often, if at all.
I'm thinking emery cloth or sandpaper in a 50 or lower grit but maybe there is a better way?
Thank you....