BassPro 110 -- CPM 154

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I picked up a 110 in CPM 154 at Bass Pro this week. It was a display model, rather grubby from much handling, and apparently the only one in stock (no, the amiable clerk didn’t know the difference between 420HC and CPM 154). I bought it because:
• My birthday’s coming up (62 in July).
• Crucible has gone into Chapter 11 and this might be the last chance to get one in CPM 154 (feel free to use this excuse:D).
• I was curious about this steel.

It has reddish rosewood grips, very nice, albeit a bit plain. The brass frame has a few machine marks and some minor scuff marks on the bolster. No problem, this is not going to be a safe queen. The blade has a shiny grey coating, and bears Paul Bos' logo -- always nice to see. C.J. Buck mentioned what the coating was when I met him at the Bass Pro Shop opening north of Calgary a few weeks ago, titanium aluminum nitride, I think (I stand to be corrected). It is also tough as heck, according to another member of this forum who has one. Composition of CPM 154 according Alpha Knife Supply’s excellent steel chart (http://www.alphaknifesupply.com/zdata-bladesteel.htm) is Carbon: 1.05%; Chromium: 14%; Manganese: 0.5%; Molybdenum: 4.0%; Vanadium: 0.4%. CPM154 is reportedly twice as tough as 154CM.

The blade and frame were sticky with some kind of blackish gunk, maybe preservative, and it was quite stiff, at least compared to my faithful 110 in 420HC, which flips open as easy as an old Zippo after several thousand openings. Some soap and water, a light application of BreakFree and a wipedown got rid of the gunk, and eased the action considerably.

The blade is a little wider than my old 110, which has been honed back a tad. It was sharp out of the box, but not scary sharp. I was surprised – make that amazed – at how fast the edge came up. Half a dozen strokes on the red DMT raised a nice even burr and a dozen on the ultra-fine resulted in a wicked edge. CPM 154 appears to be a very fine-grained steel. I can get to scary sharp (one grade below wicked) on D2, S30V and VG-10, but it seems to take forever to work the final burr off. This one is absolutely one of the sharpest blades I own, right up there with Ivan Campo’s chisel-grind American Standard tanto in D3, my Master Hunter in Carbon V, and my Marble’s blades in 52100 – maybe a step beyond those.

So far I’ve played around with it, cut food, packaging, whittled some spruce kindling, cut down some nasty brittle old vines, and a couple of cardboard boxes, just to see how the edge holds up. No scratches on the finish, and the edge by this admittedly totally subjective test holds up as well as my Mini-Rukus in S30V. I’m surprised we haven’t heard more about this steel.
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Definetly a blade I want to own and I really enjoy the steel. Even in it's state it comes from the mill it is hard to cut (file) as a young fella I sold a piece to at work is learning. My favorite steel to make knives outta, just ahead of 3V.

Gotta get over there some day and have a boo for one more of what you got Ed. Thanks for the report.
 
Aw, heck, now you've got me thinking about buying one. (If it was legal to carry here, I probably would have bought one already.) It's gorgeous steel, and I will miss it (and S30V, too) when it's gone.
 
The BP110 that I bought stands out as the best production 110 that I have encountered to date. Mine came to me with a very smooth opening/closing action. It was very sharp out of the box and it is very easy to get to "wicked" sharp on a Lansky. IMO if ever a person was going to buy a single 110 (besides custom shop) this is the one that I would recommend.
 
I got my BP110 in CPM154 last week,have'nt had a chance to use it yet.Glad to hear you like yours Ed.I also got my first Buck c.s.110 in S30v about a month ago,man,that knife took a wicked sharp edge!When i get time,I'm looking forward to putting an edge on the BP110 and compare the two.I'm glad I have those two knives,with the steels' they're made of,if Crucible is going under,sad times.
 
I just went read an article about Crucible and its bankruptcy.
They being the source for Buck's 154cm, CPM-154, & S30V makes me have that sinking feeling in my stomach.
 
I just went read an article about Crucible and its bankruptcy.
They being the source for Buck's 154cm, CPM-154, & S30V makes me have that sinking feeling in my stomach.

It doesn't look good, no. The good news is that, even if they don't make it, their assets (including their patents) will go up for sale, hopefully to someone who will continue making the steels. The bad news? This is such an infinitessimally small part of their operation that it may well get lost in the shuffle.

We'll probably know a lot more in a couple months. Until then, keep your fingers crossed.
 
What very well may happen is that Hitachi buys the patent rights for Crucible's cutlry steels. That wouldn't surprise me one bit. Decaf get to rowdy over this idea...its just speculation.
 
I got my BP110 in CPM154 last week,have'nt had a chance to use it yet.Glad to hear you like yours Ed.I also got my first Buck c.s.110 in S30v about a month ago,man,that knife took a wicked sharp edge!When i get time,I'm looking forward to putting an edge on the BP110 and compare the two.I'm glad I have those two knives,with the steels' they're made of,if Crucible is going under,sad times.

Look forward to hearing how the two steels compare.
 
Aw, heck, now you've got me thinking about buying one. (If it was legal to carry here, I probably would have bought one already.) It's gorgeous steel, and I will miss it (and S30V, too) when it's gone.

RWL34 is a powder steel that's supposed to be equivalent to CPM154 and should continue to be available for some time. - as in all knives a lot depends on who does the heat treat

http://michaelwest.dk/knive/rwl34-datasheet.pdf
 
Alberta Ed, I'd recheck the data on 154 CPM.I've looked a it from Crucibles site and it does not list vanadium as being in it.Still, its a good cutlery steel anyway you look at it.Easy to get sharp and holds it well.DM
 
RWL34 appears to be a good steel and there is info on it available but you have to search. As far as crucible goes, from what I have heard they will be rolling more steel in July sometime which may include CPM154. At least that is what I have been told the last time I ordered steel from them. This does not mean though that they will not tighten the belt and temporarily eliminate some steels from their production though, especially those that are not in demand. I would hate to see CPM154 discontinued as it is just emerging as a reliable go to stainless but there are always options available to us even if they appear far from reach or less favorable.....
 
I'm not much up on all the different steels, but aren't 154 and ats-34 very similar ?

I've owned a fair amount of ats-34 knives from different makers and have been very happy with them.. I'm not sure why companies rarely use it anymore.

Why couldn't the companies start using ats-34 in place of 154 ?
 
The similarity is between ATS-34 and 154CM. CPM-154 is an upgrade to both of those. And RWL34 (a French steel) is supposed to be similiar to it.

I'm not sure why companies rarely use it anymore.

I expect you see less ATS-34 these days because 154CM is back to being a quality steel and shipping costs of an American steel should be better than those of a Japanese steel and there is the MADE in America issue that helps 154CM. But mostly, I think its a matter of less expense with similiar quality and capabilities.

In Japan, I think VG-10 and some of the different laminated steels have provided stiff competition to ATS-34 for the premium steel market there. Just my smelly ole opinion on the question you asked.
 
What very well may happen is that Hitachi buys the patent rights for Crucible's cutlry steels....Decaf get to rowdy over this idea...

334dave gets upset over Japanese steels??? :eek:

I'll have to check the Financial Times, see if I can't find something on this... :p
 
I had my 110BP CPM 154 Muskrat'ed...jigged buffalo, red liners, spine work.

One of my favorite users :)

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Its the tarriffs.The Japaness steels are higher lately because of the government tarriffs.DM
 
Here is my BP110...put a little Bocote on it.
Goose that is a nice, nice scale job. Red ad Black just goes together.
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Goose I like the looks of your BP110. When I heard that they where going to go up in price I felt that I had to order two of them, with the Rose wood liners. That was two years ago. HL
 
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