Batoning or not to Baton that is the question.....

[Jaxx]

Neither have I lol. But I would probably never baton anything as qide or long as these logs lol. Unless I was drunk

I thought you only threw knives when yer drunk.

 

[Cobalt]

I thought you only threw knives when yer drunk.

True, but, no one has ever said "I dare you to baton this tree" while I am drunk

 

[Jaxx]

I can fix that!
LOL... Come to Blade next year and I'll throw the dare after Jerry re-introduces you to copious amounts of JWB.

 

[Cobalt]

I can fix that!
LOL... Come to Blade next year and I'll throw the dare after Jerry re-introduces you to copious amounts of JWB.

Sounds like a plan. I will be carrying a big blade with me. So why not!!!

 

[scrappy]

I have batoned some good size stuff and am always amazed/frustrated at how hard it is, I would never do one these size in this thread but good for those that can! I used a dozen blades a couple months ago and the 1111 did well. I don't mind using a machete to baton either,

 

[rwn2000]

A little knowledge of basic woodcraft would have helped in the first video. they could have split the log a lot faster if they had made a wooded wedge out of one of their baton pieces and drove it into the split after the Busse was about a foot down the log.

randy

 

[Cobalt]

A little knowledge of basic woodcraft would have helped in the first video. they could have split the log a lot faster if they had made a wooded wedge out of one of their baton pieces and drove it into the split after the Busse was about a foot down the log.

randy

Very true. There is no doubt that using a knife to baton a piece of tree that big is just for fun, not efficiency.

 

[Firestrike]

Great photos. One of the issues with baton Ning, is once you get the misalignment, that bent portion grabs more wood and the deflection can get worse as it is forced through the wood scooping out more wood at that bent angle.

You did work bro. Nice pics.

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Send it in Jared! USE that awesome warranty.

Nah, it's still plenty usable. And I heard through the grapevine that there aren't any 1311 blanks left, so it may wind up being shop credit only if I sent it in for warrantee. Given that option, I'd rather hang onto the blade and continue to beat her senseless for awhile longer!

That 1311 did pretty good. Considering that most knives would not have survived a log that large in the first place, consider it a test passed. And I am not joking. Take these pics or video to almost any other forum and they will call it extreme abuse and it would not be covered by any warranty. It is fairly extreme. The force that you have to hit the blade with to get it to cut through a tree that thick is fairly high.

Absolutely! :thumbup: She passed with flying colors!!! I was not terribly surprised about the bend in the edge given how hard I had to beat on her to get through that log (a bit disappointed though). It was far from easy; I was hitting the 1311 with everything I had using a baton comparable in size/weight to a baseball bat. I just wanted to see if it could be done, and yeah, a bit of alcoholic persuasion was what it took.

1070 steel and an Rc of 54 with a low sabre grind make for a very strong wedge albeit terrible edge geometry and edge holding. You can do that probably with a 440A/B steel at an Rc of 54-55 as well. Sabre Grind, low Rc, low Carbon.

There is a giant difference in force between splitting 10" tree vs splitting a 6 inch tree. When you consider the SR101 has an Rc of 59, that is a big difference in hardness.

Looks like the log that the 1311 split was probably 8"
The log this one split looks more like 5"
The log the BM split looks pretty close to 9-10 iinch.

I have tried to single handledly baton through a 9 log and it is so hard and you are wacking the very tip of the blade which is the weakest part. But I have never batoned a big 8" log that is that long. I would not even try it, lol. I would do a 5" though no problem.

Yeah, mine was 8" toward the top, a bit thicker at the bottom. The other one was closer to 10".

Great photos. One of the issues with baton Ning, is once you get the misalignment, that bent portion grabs more wood and the deflection can get worse as it is forced through the wood scooping out more wood at that bent angle.

Indeed. And when being pressed through a tough knot, it's like a 3-point wedge, which puts considerable lateral force on the blade. The 1311 only being 0.187" thin doesn't help.

Neither have I lol. But I would probably never baton anything as qide or long as these logs lol. Unless I was drunk

Yep, as mentioned above, my craziness with that log was alcohol-lubricated. :foot:

 

[Bigfattyt]

You did work bro. Nice pics.

That pic was not me.

I got a KZII stuck once, and thought it would never come out!

I also had a stump I had a he'll of a time splitting with a maul, and steel wedges. Bounced the maul 10+ hits and barely creased the wood. I finally got it split up, and found the hardest sap wood I've ever come accross. I got the veins out the rest of the way with my FBMLE, and could not believe how much force it took, and how well the thin edge held up. I had thinned the edge considerably.