batoning with a Spyderco Manix

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This is a cross-post from a thread over in the Wilderness/Survival forum about using folders in survival situations. I'll put it here too so people looking for Manix info can find it more easily.

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A couple of days ago I was clearing out some trees that fell in a recent ice storm and had the opportunity to baton my Spyderco Manix some. I had some 6-8' long limbs I needed to remove from the trunks. The limbs were 3-4" in diameter at the trunk. The trees were pine and some other deciduous species I didn't know.

On the smaller limbs, I carefully batoned the blade in an unlocked position into the wood at a 90 degree angle with ~1/3" of the spine remaining out of the wood. The limbs were then easily broken off with the starter cut.

With the larger limbs, I made 2 shallower diagonal cuts to remove a wedge of wood. I then batoned at a 90 degree angle into the sides of the cut-out. Doing this with the blade unlocked was very awkward and I ended up locking the blade while batoning. Again, once I made these starter cuts, the limbs were easy to break off.

The damage: I ended up cutting and breaking about 6 limbs in this manner. My Manix had a very sappy blade at the end but still seemed very sharp by my slightly dangerous "feel the edge w/your finger" technique. Once I cleaned the sap off, it was still shaving-sharp and push-cut paper as easily as it had before. I noticed the pivot got a bit looser after my little adventure. I re-tightened it and everything was good; no play, smooth action, and good lock-up. I suppose I should re-Loctite the pivot screw.

With appropriate technique and amount of force, the Manix appears to hold up just fine in this type of use. I imagine you wouldn't want to do this routinely, but it seems sufficient for creating enough wood for a basic shelter. The size and amount of limbs I cut would easily frame out a simple lean-to or debris shelter. I will grant the "large fixed blade" camp that a Manix wouldn't be very efficient at splitting large pieces of wood due to its size, but neither is it a "woefully inadequate folder" in the woods.
 
trout #2 said:
The size and amount of limbs I cut would easily frame out a simple lean-to or debris shelter.

Locally some of the woods are soft enough that the Manix can cut the limbs directly by chopping, it is one of the better folders I have seen for that and is even much more efficient than smaller fixed blades like the Mora 2000. Though long term I'd probably still want the Mora just in case the stay was extended.

I will grant the "large fixed blade" camp that a Manix wouldn't be very efficient at splitting large pieces of wood due to its size...

I think rather than direct batoning, unless the wood is naturally very easy to split, instead of trying to start a crack with the blade of the knife it can be easier to use the point and make a hole for a wedge as most knives are much stonger on point to butt impacts that spine impacts. I have been doing this a lot lately with a serrated Delica, and using it in the same manner to carve bowls and such.

-Cliff
 
Do you have any pictures? I'm curios to see what a folder looks like being batoned through the wood:confused:
 
1st rule of survival.

Any knife is better than no knife.

Any Spyderco is not just 'any knife'. A good folder should be a part of anybodies survival kit.

Amazing what one can accomplish with a little ingenuity, and desperation.

The article states;

"I will grant the "large fixed blade" camp that a Manix wouldn't be very efficient at splitting large pieces of wood due to its size, but neither is it a "woefully inadequate folder" in the woods."

Instead of using it to split large pieces of wood, use it to fashion a few hardwood wedges, when used with an adequate hammering device (baton, or rock), are wholly adequate to split as much wood as you need.
 
I haven't tried making improvised wedges for splitting yet. I'll have to try to get out and play with that this weekend.

RedEdge77: I don't have any pics unfortunately. I had more appropriate tools I was using for the tree removal and just broke the Manix out on a whim. I'll try to get some the next time I experiment with it.
 
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