Battle Mistress

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Can anyone tell me if there is any difference, (besides the black, ceramic coating), between the combat grade and presentation grade Battle Mistresses?
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I have pictures of both of them(i drool over the pictures everday
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.....Nothing other than what you said. The presentation grade is around 200 bucks more than the combat grade. as far as i know there is no difference in performance and metal.
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Luke
 
The differences are rather minor. The collector's grade BM is numbered since only 500 will be made. A very small number is stamped in the ricasso(?) section of the blade on the left side. The combat grade is slightly heavier due to the black coating.

-Greg
 
Ceramic or powder coating? Don't really know. Maybe Jerry B. or another Busse rep can verify. Only two things I know for sure: it's black and it's a coating.

-Greg
 
If it's ceramic, I definitely want to see that, especially after hard choppping with the blade. I use to run ceramic inserts on CNC lathes and mills. You could load the hell out of them and they would cut forever but they would not take any type of shock. Same with most ceramic blade knives I believe. - Jeff

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jeff
if i am not mistaken they are talking about the coating and not the blade. a ceramic coating wouldn't make the blade brittle
 
I understand that. What I'm wondering is if the hard-as-hell thin ceramic coating was applied to the surface of the knife in some fashion, it wouldn't take much to crack this 'veneer,' due to ceramic's charcteristics.

I understand powder coating since it's basically a baked on paint, but ceramics are another story. - Jeff

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Actually, the blade coating on the current Battle Mistressed, Mean Streets, and Badger Attacks (all combat grade I believe) are of an expoxy or powder coating. If they were of ceramic, they would be very durable, and all of the posts that I have read about these knives, and my experience with them indicate that they are coated with something other than ceramic.

Thomas Zinn
 
Not trying to be a pain in the a** here, but I'm wondering if anyone does make a ceramic *coated* blade, and if they do what's the process and how do they keep a thin ceramic coating from shattering, chipping, or otherwise coming off the blade from shock or flexing of the blade, since the hardness of ceramic is unforgiving.

Next question is 'why?' since epoxy or powder coat does well.

Just trying to learn since I spent 10 years in machining, heat treating, and coating of metals. If someone does have a process to ceramic coat without ill effects from shock or flex then it's new to me and I'm very interested in the process.

I understand many of the coating processes such as diamond impregnation, ceramic coated tooling and other various applications for tooling but these tools are designed for cutting without shock or flex...the same with carbide tooling. Where as high speed end mills, even with Ti coat will take a little more shock and abuse.

Someone educate me on this...you have my interest up. - Jeff

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The difference, besides coating, between the combat grade and presentation grade is ........on the combat grade, there is a bevel on the spine near the tip.There is not such bevel on the Limited edition.

Joe Leung
 
In regards to Busse's blade coatings, when talking to Jerry on the phone he did comment to me that they did use ceramic coatings on the BM (and other INFI blades I would assume) as they are simply more resistant to wear from scratching than the regular coatings. As for powder coatings being suitable, most wear off after just a few hours of use (Cold Steel, Ontario's, the Busse Basics etc.).

Missions coating is far more wear resistant than this and I noticed no wear after using a MPK for an extended period of time. It is quite hard and thick though and therefore it is of no surprise that it wears slowly. I however didn't own the blade so I could not do any hard pressing or hammering on it to see if the coating would chip or crack easily.

However I have done that with MD's blades and his hard chrome handles it quite well (the second version he was using anyway, I have not handled a blade with the new process). I have flexed the blades significantly with no cracks resulting in the chrome, and pounded on the blades with sticks of wood with little effect. In order to crack the chrome you have to distort the steel rapidly, for example hit the spine with a hammer or similar.

-Cliff
 
Cliff,

I'm familiar with hard-chrome. We used it a lot in the machine tool industry. Totally different beast than ceramic, as are Ti and Nitride coatings. Hard chrome was used by us for increased wear resistance on certain forming dies and roll tooling.

Powder coating is nothing more than a baked on paint that's applied through a pos / neg charging system. In other words, the paint powder is charged with one polarity and the surface to be coated is charged with the opposite polarity. The paint powder sticks to the charged surface then sent down the line and baked on. Many companies use this process since it's relatively cheap and looks good.

I'm sorry but I'm taking the 'Missouri' stance of 'show me' on this ceramic blade *coating*. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but from what I know, it cannot be done with standard ceramics because they will NOT flex.

Busse knives are suppose to flex and return to true. Is this with the 'ceramic' coating?

I understand the ceramic bladed knives on the market, and I also know that any manufacturer of this blade will tell you not to shock or flex the blade.

If someone owns a 'ceramic' *coated* Busse, then I would appreciate it if they would attempt to scratch a small place with a file or some other material above 60 Rc. Anything but diamond, and let me know the results of whether or not it could be scratched. If memory serves me correctly, ceramics approach the 90 Rc range.

Thanks,

Jeff


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Jeff, can't help you on the ceramic coating as my Battle Mistress is not coated. I like you would be interested in hearing how the ceramic coating holds up, it sounded like an odd choice to me when I first heard it.

-Cliff
 
Hmmmm. Given that a ceramic coating is very difficult to scratch, the Battle Mistress may not be coated with the stuff since chopping dirty (sand, gravel, etc.) pieces of wood tends to scratch the coating.

-Greg
 
Cliff,

Jerry Busse is LYING about the coating he actually uses. I had my Steel Heart & Badger Attack professionaly analized & evaluated. They are, in fact, POWDER COATED. Mr.Busse should not be telling people the knives his company makes are ceramic coated, when they are not. My "INFI" Steel Heart was really made with A2 but I had ordered the INFI steel. Deception reigns at Busse Combat Knives...

P.S. These knives are for sale.
 
Could it be a ceramic powder? Just taking a guess!

Pookie, contact me on the Badger Attack.

 
Pookie,

If all of your claims are true then why haven’t you contacted us? This will be the second time that we will try to contact you on these forums. It is also the second time that you have attacked us on these forums. I’m starting to wonder who you really are Pookie? I am unable to contact you since you have not published an email address so you will have to make contact with us. I can assure you that if you actually own a Steel Heart II and it was sold to you as an INFI Steel Heart II by us, then it is made from INFI and not A-2. You claim to have had your knives professionally analyzed? Mmmm. . . Do you do this with all of your equipment? When you buy a new gun, like a Glock, do you send it out and have the coating and steel ground off and professionally analyzed? You say that these two knives are for sale? If you actually own either one of them I will be more than happy to buy them back! I anxiously await your call and or email! Oh, and by the way, the next time you decide to call a man a liar make sure and sign your real name and not your cute little “pookie” name.

Jerry Busse
President,
Busse Combat Knife Co.
(419) 923-6471 busse@bright.net

[This message has been edited by Jerry Busse (edited 05 October 1999).]
 
Jerry-

Go, baby go!

(Or, to paraphrase Cheech & Chong, "Bailiff, Whack His Pee-Pee!")

 
Jerry Busse,

To begin, I have had nothing but trouble dealing with your company. You refused to answer my many e-mails or return my calls concerning, at the time, the long overdue delivery of the knives that had been ordered. Your customer service has been virtually non existent. I was only able to speak with someone ONCE who said that the knives were ready to ship but that they were waiting for one of the sheaths. I was told they would be shipped on the following monday... the conversation took place on a friday. 2 weeks later the knives came...Mr. Busse, I received these knives without any packing material & the Steel Heart was not even in it's sheath! I obviously called to comment but as usual I got no answer. What promted me to have these knives professionally analized & evaluted is that they appeared to be POWDER COATED (they are), not ceramic coated. I also was informed that the steel used was A2, which is a great steel but that was not what was ordered for the Steel Heart, INFI was what was ordered. I am not here posting to destroy your name or your company but that you need to speak the truth about the products & services offered by your company. I would assume you are NOW taking the many complaints of others VERY seriously for to refuse to do so will only bring about a loss in sales & will only serve to damage your company's name. There is more that I could say but I believe I have made my point. I have been advised to not identify myself to you...I believe you know why. I personally do not believe you when you say you will buy back the knives but if you are sincere, then tell me as to how you wish to go about returning my money. These knives are in perfect unused condition. I will not speak with you nor any of your staff regarding this for I know that will get me nowhere. I await your instructions as to how you willing to approach this.

Moderators...this should not be considered "flame material"...for it is not. I am simply responding to Mr. Busse's post.

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