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Battle Pappy Question
- Thread starter shane justice
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Wolf Dad,
If you are game enough to give it a try...go for it!
Several years ago my wife bought me an antique straight razor that is an amazing piece of steel. It is not a fancy hollow ground deal...made by WRIGHT with a hickory handle, it is clearly a forged blade, and sharp.
I used my HARD ARKANSAS stone to polish the edge and then stropped it.
I shaved with it just to know I can.
If you have a steady enough hand to use a large knife, you are a better man than me.
I watched the young man shave with the INFI blade. It shows he REALLY knows how to sharpen en edge.
If the edge of a knife is sharp, it should be able to perform a lot of camp chores. Granted it may not slice apples, carrots or taters well because the thickness of the blade will break the media rather than separate through tthe cut.
It should work for slicing bacon from a slab, or cutting a piece of meat. Gutting a fish, depending on how you were taught to do it, only needs one or two actual cuts. So no worries there.
Dressing a deer should be do-able, but such a long blade may be clumsy when working inside the body cavity, like when separating the diaphragm from the chest wall. I will not talk about skinning because while there is some cutting work to be done, such as cutting around the wrist and ankle joints, or even skinning the tail, there is not a lot of cutting that needs to be done.
In an emergency though, where time may be an issue, you may opt to quarter a deer, without opening the abdominal/chest cavity. Here is where a big knife may shine.
So much depends on the techniques one has acquired as an outdoors man.
For instance, east of the Mississippi one finds different kinds of wood, the west of the "BIG MUDDY". I thicker knife might work better on pine than it does on maple or birch.
Out here, (Buffalo Commons) in an emergency one would rarely need to cut wood. We will build a star shaped fire and push the ends in. If using really big wood, or if there is not room, we might lay it across the fire and burn it in half. No cutting needed.
Whereas woodsman in the east, may find a heavy knife more able to do some of the chores they do. ( I won't try to speak to this as I have only ever camped once in eastern US, ADIRONDACKS)
With a "bowie" type blade as the only blade in a go-go bag, a guy should be able to use his software to overcome any hardware problems. My good friend SPECTER is a genius at this sort of thing, and is often the person I call upon to help with this sort of dilemma.
Hasn't anybody ever come up with a testing regimen for the BUSSE forum. It would be great to have everybody on the same page. That way when they get a new blade, they could run it through the ringer, and report back. Everybody would be able to 1.) Understand the "WHY" of the test, and 2.) Be able to replicate the test with their own knives. Just a thought.
Shane
If you are game enough to give it a try...go for it!
Several years ago my wife bought me an antique straight razor that is an amazing piece of steel. It is not a fancy hollow ground deal...made by WRIGHT with a hickory handle, it is clearly a forged blade, and sharp.
I used my HARD ARKANSAS stone to polish the edge and then stropped it.
I shaved with it just to know I can.
If you have a steady enough hand to use a large knife, you are a better man than me.
I watched the young man shave with the INFI blade. It shows he REALLY knows how to sharpen en edge.
If the edge of a knife is sharp, it should be able to perform a lot of camp chores. Granted it may not slice apples, carrots or taters well because the thickness of the blade will break the media rather than separate through tthe cut.
It should work for slicing bacon from a slab, or cutting a piece of meat. Gutting a fish, depending on how you were taught to do it, only needs one or two actual cuts. So no worries there.
Dressing a deer should be do-able, but such a long blade may be clumsy when working inside the body cavity, like when separating the diaphragm from the chest wall. I will not talk about skinning because while there is some cutting work to be done, such as cutting around the wrist and ankle joints, or even skinning the tail, there is not a lot of cutting that needs to be done.
In an emergency though, where time may be an issue, you may opt to quarter a deer, without opening the abdominal/chest cavity. Here is where a big knife may shine.
So much depends on the techniques one has acquired as an outdoors man.
For instance, east of the Mississippi one finds different kinds of wood, the west of the "BIG MUDDY". I thicker knife might work better on pine than it does on maple or birch.
Out here, (Buffalo Commons) in an emergency one would rarely need to cut wood. We will build a star shaped fire and push the ends in. If using really big wood, or if there is not room, we might lay it across the fire and burn it in half. No cutting needed.
Whereas woodsman in the east, may find a heavy knife more able to do some of the chores they do. ( I won't try to speak to this as I have only ever camped once in eastern US, ADIRONDACKS)
With a "bowie" type blade as the only blade in a go-go bag, a guy should be able to use his software to overcome any hardware problems. My good friend SPECTER is a genius at this sort of thing, and is often the person I call upon to help with this sort of dilemma.
Hasn't anybody ever come up with a testing regimen for the BUSSE forum. It would be great to have everybody on the same page. That way when they get a new blade, they could run it through the ringer, and report back. Everybody would be able to 1.) Understand the "WHY" of the test, and 2.) Be able to replicate the test with their own knives. Just a thought.
Shane
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Shane, I appreciate your response but you know I'm just messn.
The bowie knife is fighting knife-that's what it's primarily made for. period. As some other very knowledgables have mentioned, there are better designs available for other tasks that a knife that size could be used for. Unless your SF hunting down hostile Somali pirates(in that last incident the news said a commando took one of the pirates out with a knife
- incase you didn't see that) then it's not likely that any of us are going defend ourselves with a knife until after Dec 21,2012.....then the zombies come. - So, the Battle Pappy is an investment piece(my word for safe queen) for most of us. What do we do with investment pieces?-they sit around most of the time-and so this a way(shaving with it) you could handle the knife and look at yourself in the mirror with your bowie knife, and say to yourself, "I'm a happy person" and "people like me" and overall, your confidence will go up. Like your saying, realistically if I tried to shave with it, I'd probably cut half my face off
The bowie knife is fighting knife-that's what it's primarily made for. period. As some other very knowledgables have mentioned, there are better designs available for other tasks that a knife that size could be used for. Unless your SF hunting down hostile Somali pirates(in that last incident the news said a commando took one of the pirates out with a knife- incase you didn't see that) then it's not likely that any of us are going defend ourselves with a knife until after Dec 21,2012.....then the zombies come. - So, the Battle Pappy is an investment piece(my word for safe queen) for most of us. What do we do with investment pieces?-they sit around most of the time-and so this a way(shaving with it) you could handle the knife and look at yourself in the mirror with your bowie knife, and say to yourself, "I'm a happy person" and "people like me" and overall, your confidence will go up. Like your saying, realistically if I tried to shave with it, I'd probably cut half my face off- Joined
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OK guys, you win. I am bummed.
You see about the time I came back to BF so I could learn a bit about BUSSE knives and buy my family's first BUSSE knives, the new BATTLE PAPPY was the big offering.
I was/am looking to buy my last 2 or possibly 3 knives. A few years earlier I bought a CS Natchez Bowie. (Not gonna go into why.) But last Summer I got out all my big knives and machetes, sharpened them all according to their shape and style, and had a chop-off using the branches I had trimmed from our crab apple tree. It was tough wood. The CS Natchez out chopped everything including my beloved HI 21" Ang Khola. The CS Bowie fairly sizzled in my hand.
And that plain made me sad. I don't consider it a particularly big knife, but in light of need and honesty, it took the place of my HI Khuk in my day bag. You could almost hear my old khukri sobbing.
What really tripped my trigger is that neither blade was made in the US.
So I swore I would reverse my thinking, find an American company that would offer the most bombproof blade I could find for me and my family.
That brought me here.
Thanks to the "INFI for IRON" trade I was able to finagle a bit of a credit. So, in a freak bit of timing, I was able to get on the list for a Battle Pappy.
Now, it seems the Battle Pappy is a purpose built knife without a purpose.
But I made my choice, and will stand by it. Maybe I will hate it when it comes home. Maybe I won't. By the look of things, making a trade with somebody for something "usable" may be possible.
Thanks for setting me right.
Shane
You see about the time I came back to BF so I could learn a bit about BUSSE knives and buy my family's first BUSSE knives, the new BATTLE PAPPY was the big offering.
I was/am looking to buy my last 2 or possibly 3 knives. A few years earlier I bought a CS Natchez Bowie. (Not gonna go into why.) But last Summer I got out all my big knives and machetes, sharpened them all according to their shape and style, and had a chop-off using the branches I had trimmed from our crab apple tree. It was tough wood. The CS Natchez out chopped everything including my beloved HI 21" Ang Khola. The CS Bowie fairly sizzled in my hand.
And that plain made me sad. I don't consider it a particularly big knife, but in light of need and honesty, it took the place of my HI Khuk in my day bag. You could almost hear my old khukri sobbing.
What really tripped my trigger is that neither blade was made in the US.
So I swore I would reverse my thinking, find an American company that would offer the most bombproof blade I could find for me and my family.
That brought me here.
Thanks to the "INFI for IRON" trade I was able to finagle a bit of a credit. So, in a freak bit of timing, I was able to get on the list for a Battle Pappy.
Now, it seems the Battle Pappy is a purpose built knife without a purpose.
But I made my choice, and will stand by it. Maybe I will hate it when it comes home. Maybe I won't. By the look of things, making a trade with somebody for something "usable" may be possible.
Thanks for setting me right.
Shane
Bigfattyt
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The Battle Pappy will be a great user blade. Great blade shape for general chopping etc. Convex edge, great for using.
Should be a super sweet user. Just because other's don't or won't use theirs does not mean you should let that discourage you.
My first quality bigger chopper was a Trailmaster in San MaiIII. I got a lot of good years out of that knife until I finally sold it to another guy looking for a quality user. (Once I had a FBMLE I did not think it would be getting as much use. Now that I have a B11 and KZII, I know it probably would not have gotten out much).
Take some pics when you get it, and take it out and use it!
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Shane, I don't think anyone on here thinks it's a knife without purpose. Even if it sits around for a year or two and looks pretty, it has purpose. I could see the Battle Pappy going for around what you paid or a little more down the road-so it's like money in the bank and it's more difficult to spend then loose cash. Investment. Feel good man.
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Bigfattyt,
I appreciate the "pick me up".
WolfDad,
I am a poor man. I can't afford to have a tool that won't work. Allowing something to sit for it's "appreciative value" is the same as spending money because I still need to buy a knife to do the jobs a big knife will do.
Maybe you guys with huge collections can do this, but this old man can't/won't.
It would be like buying a pick-up truck that was so pretty I could not make a dump run with it, get a load of firewood, or a bed full rocks, for fear it would "get hurt".
I guess this knife is just a hole in my pocket. I will find a way to break even somewhow. It seems there are a lot of BM's out there around this price point.
If I understand all the for sale threads, I won't be able to sharpen or use this knife for fear of smudging the finish and ruining it's retail/collector value, so I guess a thorough "wring out" cruise is out of the question anyway.
Shane
I appreciate the "pick me up".
WolfDad,
I am a poor man. I can't afford to have a tool that won't work. Allowing something to sit for it's "appreciative value" is the same as spending money because I still need to buy a knife to do the jobs a big knife will do.
Maybe you guys with huge collections can do this, but this old man can't/won't.
It would be like buying a pick-up truck that was so pretty I could not make a dump run with it, get a load of firewood, or a bed full rocks, for fear it would "get hurt".
I guess this knife is just a hole in my pocket. I will find a way to break even somewhow. It seems there are a lot of BM's out there around this price point.
If I understand all the for sale threads, I won't be able to sharpen or use this knife for fear of smudging the finish and ruining it's retail/collector value, so I guess a thorough "wring out" cruise is out of the question anyway.
Shane