Battle Ready Wakizashi under $400?

but I am always looking for different options to stop an intruder without "expiring" him.

thats your quote...

My point is, you pull your Ninja wacker or gun- it's the same as deadly force.

you pull it, you better be ready to use it. with deadly force. Sorry, but the whole notion of someone walking around the house with a shortsword for defence is hollywood at best. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

..but if his intention is different, I don't want to shoot him "just because" he was in my house

diffrent than what ? how long do you take to figure out what a home intruders intent is before he gets the jump on you? Someone is in your house, what- you figure they want to watch TV and have a sandwich?

Keep your gun, buy the wakazashi and hang it on the wall and use it for cutting practice, etc.
 
SShepherd said:
but I am always looking for different options to stop an intruder without "expiring" him.

thats your quote...

My point is, you pull your Ninja wacker or gun- it's the same as deadly force.

you pull it, you better be ready to use it. with deadly force. Sorry, but the whole notion of someone walking around the house with a shortsword for defence is hollywood at best. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.
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I prefer to say "Bring a GUN to a KNIFE fight." In the wise words of another forumite, if you ever find yourself in a fair fight your tactics suck. And you're right--a sword DOES count as deadly force. If you're in a situation where deadly force is needed, don't short-change yourself!

Perhaps if a non-lethal weapon is desired then a sword isn't exactly the best choice. :p
 
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The more people we have in Canada who buy swords, thinking there gonna slice up bad guys, the less chance I'm gonna have of ever buying an amazing bush tool like the swamp rat waki or Busse ak-47 without being looked at like a convict waiting to happen:thumbdn:.

It may be retarded, but you cant defend your self with a weapon in Canada. If your gonna break the law- which you you all ready told us you're doing, (see: 'storage of restricted firearms' under Canadian law) than break it again- shoot the bad guy! This both increases you're odds of not getting hurt or killed and dosn't bring the anti-knife people down on top of us all. (not that the anti-guns are any better. But at least a gun is the right tool for the job, should you actually have to use it. :grumpy:)
 
um. I'm all for people BUYING swords, and defending their homes, but if it's that much of an issue an alert and trained dog is probably the best solution. Lucky for me, I live in a "remote wilderness area" and may keep a firearm at hand for "predator control". OOO for bears, #6 for soft skins, never had to use it though I've squared off with bears on several occasions and had to fire a warning shot once.

...and yes the end of the mag has slugs for the really persistent ones, though I'm not sure how a 250 pound bear would do against one of my swords... have you guys seen what I cut?
 
Brad Greulich said:
The more people we have in Canada who buy swords, thinking there gonna slice up bad guys, the less chance I'm gonna have of ever buying an amazing bush tool like the swamp rat waki or Busse ak-47 without being looked at like a convict waiting to happen:thumbdn:.

It may be retarded, but you cant defend your self with a weapon in Canada. If your gonna break the law- which you you all ready told us you're doing, (see: 'storage of restricted firearms' under Canadian law) than break it again- shoot the bad guy! This both increases you're odds of not getting hurt or killed and dosn't bring the anti-knife people down on top of us all. (not that the anti-guns are any better. But at least a gun is the right tool for the job, should you actually have to use it. :grumpy:)
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You are the second person who misread my post. Where did I say in any of my posts that my firearms are not stored away? I have a safe on my night table right beside my bed. :confused:

To others:

I understand the law of deadly force, which is absolutely diluted and ridiculous. I think some of you guys are just armchair elitists, preaching how without any doubt you'd "shoot 'em up" without hesitation. The police would investigate this matter, and in most times you would be at blame for being "trigger happy". Don't get angry because I care to "observe the threat" before I "shoot first and ask questions later".


SShepherd - You seem to know what you are talking about. You must have been in this type of situation about a dozen times with your unquestionable knowledge. Even if I wanted to wield a Wakizashi in my house, I would have the right to defend myself with it if the intruder were carrying a blade. It would just give me an advantage. I am not saying I would do it, but it gives me OPTIONS. I guess you would rather be restricted to only one option. Do you eat the same food everyday? Do you wear the same clothes every day? No, because you are more comfortable with options. This is the same with my reasoning.

Your comment about Hollywood? Sorry, but I don't need Hollywood to tell me what to think nor do reenact what is done there. Hollywood is fake, this is reality. Never bring a knife to a gun fight. Well you said something right. I think that is self explanatory.

There is a reason why I have a flashlight on the end of my firearm. I "Observe" the situation and "act" upon my observation. If anything, your thinking is "Hollywood at best"
 
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yup, training, and alot of lawyer time lets you know what your options are and what you're capable of.

I take from your rambelings about wanting to defending yourself with a wakazashi that you have had extensive training with knives/swords?

like I said before...leave the sword fighting to the movies, get one to have fun cutting stuff-- if you want another "option" get a dog .

Have fun Mr. post #9, stick around and maybe you'll learn something
 
SShepherd said:
Have fun Mr. post #9, stick around and maybe you'll learn something
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Maybe.

It is one thing to be trained and capable, and to grow in that awesome and terrible capacity.

It is another thing to be lying on a slab wondering what happened and what is going to happen. Those that know, don't repeat the same mistakes, and those that don't will never know wtf I am talking about.

On your other comment, Sean, which left me spastically laughing, the need for a simultaneous blackbelt in gun-fu and niten ichi ryu has never been so clear.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
SShepherd said:
yup, training, and alot of lawyer time lets you know what your options are and what you're capable of.

I take from your rambelings about wanting to defending yourself with a wakazashi that you have had extensive training with knives/swords?

like I said before...leave the sword fighting to the movies, get one to have fun cutting stuff-- if you want another "option" get a dog .

Have fun Mr. post #9, stick around and maybe you'll learn something
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I see you enjoy putting words in other peoples mouths. I guess the lawyer taught you well.

Me using a Wakizashi as a defensive tool was a joke, but you obviously can't use simple logic to decipher that information. The reason I am buying one IS for cutting, but maybe it is YOU who have watched too many Hollywood movies and ASSUME that it will be used to "slay the bad guy with my samurai skillz."

Geez. Can we move on please?



Can the Kissaki on the Cheness be reshaped as I don't believe it is fully functional for thrusting? I notice it is left in pretty rough shape.
 
Can the Kissaki on the Cheness be reshaped as I don't believe it is fully functional for thrusting? I notice it is left in pretty rough shape.

what shape would you prefer? You must have better pics of it than me, to me it looks fine.
Anything can be reshaped, if you did, how would you resharpen it?
 
First let me apologize SSheperd for perpetuating the argument. It was unnecessary.

I swear I read somewhere that mentioned that the kissaki's are not cut properly geometrically for thrusting and that they aren't polished properly like the rest of the blade.

I have researched so many blades in the past week that my head is starting to spin so I may be wrong.
 
when you deal with any kind of "functional" sword at this price point, you get what you pay for. You're not going to get a museum polish, and I have a feeling the entire blade will look pretty much the same.
 
Ya, I figured that much. Well I looked over the pictures again and it seems that I may have been talking about a different Katana. It looks fine to me now too.

I think we have exhausted our options for Katana's under $300.

It may just well have to be a Cheness 9260 Waki. I just wish SBG or even Cheness themselves had the Ko Katana's in stock. They are on backorder and I am sure they aren't coming soon.
 
SShepherd said:
Have fun Mr. post #9, stick around and maybe you'll learn something
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hey, i hope you don't think that having fewer posts means being ignorant... more posts = more time suck... hey, wait a minute, i'm in the time suck.... nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
 
wnease said:
hey, i hope you don't think that having fewer posts means being ignorant... more posts = more time suck... hey, wait a minute, i'm in the time suck.... nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
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look at my join date...............but I've also had 2 other accounts, and I read alot of the other posts before I came on an started posting ( but that was in the day when the search was active)
 
yea, the idea of using a sword for home defense is ridiculous, just ask the John Hopkins student who recently used one to kill an intruder and was cleared of any criminal wrong doing :jerkit:

i've only seen one vote for the Rodent, in this thread, so i'll add one. seeing the "$400" and "wakizahsi" together, in the title, makes it the very first thing that comes to mind. if you're looking for something traditionally styled, it's not, but if you're looking for one totally badass short sword, you can't go wrong with one. mine is almost ALWAYS near by. i'm very happy i bought it.

i agree - "options" are always a good thing.
 
zignal_zero said:
yea, the idea of using a sword for home defense is ridiculous, just ask the John Hopkins student who recently used one to kill an intruder and was cleared of any criminal wrong doing :jerkit:

i've only seen one vote for the Rodent, in this thread, so i'll add one. seeing the "$400" and "wakizahsi" together, in the title, makes it the very first thing that comes to mind. if you're looking for something traditionally styled, it's not, but if you're looking for one totally badass short sword, you can't go wrong with one. mine is almost ALWAYS near by. i'm very happy i bought it.

i agree - "options" are always a good thing.
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Thank you kind sir. I thought I was completely alone on this one.

Let's not forget that I am being theoretical when I say I would use a Wakizashi. I would prefer to use a handgun in almost any situation, but then we delve into legalities, using a handgun in any situation in Canada is against the law. Fortunately, the same laws don't apply to blades, which is why I even mentioned it in the first place.

I keep on looking at the Swamp Rat Rodent Waki, but I don't know if the extra $200 for it over the Cheness 9260 is worth it.

Anyone had any experience with the Rodent Waki? How does it handle? Is it balanced? Hows the edge on it?

It does look much better for thrusting though as it is not curved as the Cheness. It also has a very aesthetically pleasing tactical look, but I am not basing my decision solely on looks.

Function is more important to me than anything else.
 
All personal preferences aside on the matter of home protection the options you have range from more traditional in design and construction to less. What would you feel more comfortable using? What is your experience with any piece similar in construction to the ones you mentioned?
 
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All personal preferences aside on the matter of home protection the options you have range from more traditional in design and construction to less. What would you feel more comfortable using? What is your experience with any piece similar in construction to the ones you mentioned?
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I guess what I failed to mention in my OP is that this will be my first sword/katana. I have a few folding knives (Spyderco Military, Endura, Manic) and a couple fixed blades (Kabar USMC, CS RSK) with cutting experience with these, but no experience with longer blades.

I would feel comfortable with either. Style of blade doesn't matter. As long as it is not overly heavy, and well balanced, I am a happy camper.
 
kyle87t said:
I guess what I failed to mention in my OP is that this will be my first sword/katana. I have a few folding knives (Spyderco Military, Endura, Manic) and a couple fixed blades (Kabar USMC, CS RSK) with cutting experience with these, but no experience with longer blades.

I would feel comfortable with either. Style of blade doesn't matter. As long as it is not overly heavy, and well balanced, I am a happy camper.
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Well, this being a first I would get the best materials and quality for the money as well as the most idiot proof build. An average untrained person may be harder on a blade than someone who has had formal instruction and years of practice. That could be bad for the blade and bad for anyone near you while using it including yourself, and it is especially true if you intend to use it on hard targets like trees. I wouldn't use any long blade for that if it wasn't built for it and most swords aren't.

If that is the case I would look into the Swamp Rat waki or a custom from Mr. Nease. Swamp Rat has a good warranty and is built for that type of activity. The edge could be reprofiled to increase cutting performance as well and it weighs around 2lbs. My personal preference would be a custom from Mr. Nease to my specs if affordable being that he could build it to my performance needs. I know for a fact that he tests the hell out of his work on all sorts of media and have consulted with him on my own work and frustrations with performance. He knows what he is doing and I bet he could make something very fast, strong, smooth, and tough.

For anything other than those fun but harsh applications I would look into the more traditional builds and at that point still consider something from Mr. Nease or another custom maker. Your price range is good and can get you a lot but you need to decide if it will just sit there in your room waiting for someone to pick it up or if it will be waiting for you to put it down.
 
kyle87t said:
Thank you kind sir. I thought I was completely alone on this one.

Let's not forget that I am being theoretical when I say I would use a Wakizashi. I would prefer to use a handgun in almost any situation, but then we delve into legalities, using a handgun in any situation in Canada is against the law. Fortunately, the same laws don't apply to blades, which is why I even mentioned it in the first place.

I keep on looking at the Swamp Rat Rodent Waki, but I don't know if the extra $200 for it over the Cheness 9260 is worth it.

Anyone had any experience with the Rodent Waki? How does it handle? Is it balanced? Hows the edge on it?

It does look much better for thrusting though as it is not curved as the Cheness. It also has a very aesthetically pleasing tactical look, but I am not basing my decision solely on looks.

Function is more important to me than anything else.
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i've had mine for apx 1 month and have used it for a WIDE variety of things. handling? different than a katana, with cuts it does not have the same fluid feel. the straight blade makes for more of a hacking than slicing feel. don't get me wrong, it breezes through water filled 2 liters and grapefruit like nothing, totally clean cuts. Balanced? it's not as front heavy as a traditional katana, this could be good or bad. for lack of a better explanation, sometimes it feels less sword like and more stick like. this does make it alot more nimble than a my katana and it's quite easy to switch directions and change angles which i feel is important from a practical standpoint. one way to describe it is - you're not sure if you're weilding a sword or a very large knife. The Edge? frightening, be careful. it could easily shave hair off my arm, when i received it. over the last month, i have went through ALOT of things with it and while it will no longer shave, it has remained alot sharper than i would've expected. keep in mind it is differentially treated, so the edge is going to be harder than the spine.

there is always going to be a trade off, ya never gain something without giving something up. with the Waki, i feel you lose a little cutting efficiency compared to a traditional katana. however, i feel what you gain is more important: much better thrusting, incredible durability, and a more manuverable sword.

before i bought my Waki, i was taking to Justin at Ranger Knives about building me a short sword. i really feel he would've done a great job and, in the future, would still like to have him make something for me. if you wanna go the custom route, you might wanna see what he can do also.

a big factor for me was - the durability and warranty makes me less worried about practicing on small trees, something that warped my katana, and i feel that (while it's not a replacement for qualified instruction) this does help improve your offense.
 
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