Bayonet for allround fixed blade, am i nuts?

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dennis75

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recently got a NOS SIG 1957 Bayonet. it's double edged, but has plenty of spine on both sides to use it for batoning. also it's perfectly weighted for both chopping, cutting and if the need should arise........fighting.

i like the handle, the sheath, everything, the things fits me a like a glove.

yesterday i picked it up from my local friendly neighborhood sharpener-dude, and it's got a full flat V-grind on both sides now, and with a little touch ups of my own it's now razor scary sharp. the steel is basic carbon 1095 now, the non-regrinded parts are tough-as-nails tool-steel. Cliff Stamp told me the bayo was most likely "case-hardened"

the edge-regrinding cost me $25 and the purchase was $35 from a friend.

ami i nuts to consider carrying this thing for a general $60 outdoor-blade, or could it actually be useful, considering this a fiex blade within the $$$-budget-range?

btw, the thing is tough as nails. it handles anything from chopping, stabbing, throwing, dropping, you name it

opinions please, let me have it :)

denn
 
If you like it and it seems to be holding up well, go for it. Have any pictures of it? :)
 
dennis75 said:
i like the handle, the sheath, everything, the things fits me a like a glove.

am i nuts to consider carrying this thing for a general $60 outdoor-blade,(?)
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No, you're probably not nuts to consider it. It wouldn't be my choice, but if you like the blade, try it out for a while, and report back and let us know what you think. I've spent far more than $60 on a knife that I thought was going to be an awesome outdoor blade, and it turned out to be not so great. And it was a bayonet - Buck version of the M9.
 
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The 1969 CETME bayonet make for a pretty good camp knife.

n2s
 
If the kung fu of the blade is strong, it can not fail you, Grasshoppa.
 
this one:

Model 1957 Pattern Bayonet

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Blade Length - 9.4" (239mm)
Handle Length - 4.88" (124mm)
Total Length - 14.6" (370mm)
Muzzle Ring Diameter - .885" (22mm)
Issued with : Stgw.57
Manufacturer: Waffenfabrik Neuhausen, Wenger

Description: Model 1957 Bayonet's frog dispensed with the leather strap previously mounted on the scabbard. Instead, the frog had it's own strap to attach to the metal loop on the scabbard. The Model 1957 is double-edged and unfullered


11048 SWISS MODEL 1957 SIG BAYONET, SCABBARD & FROG - (Janzen 188-1) Exceptionally well designed weapon, made of stainless steel with a true double edged blade. Ribbed black plastic grips. Latch is unusual in that you grab both ends and slide it down, instead of pushing from one side. With black nylon type scabbard. Reportedly many were sold to Chile, and others were used by Swiss reservists. Overall VG-fine condition.

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note that mine has a full V-flat blade now, the pics show the original edges

denn
 
Knife selection is a very personal choice, so I say go for it.

It looks like a really nice knife and I'm sure you can accomplish most outdoor chores with it. Personally the steep grinds created by the double edge would bother me. I'm sure the edges can be made very sharp but the grind angle will probably make some tasks difficult.

Preferences often change with continued use and you can always change designs at some point in the future.
 
I have one of the Swiss bayonets too. I'm not sure I'd agree it would be a good all around knife but, with that said, the only thing I've ever done with mine is mount it on my PE57 for display purposes. While great for thrusting and prodding, I think it's a little light for chopping; and the edge geometry doesn't lend itself to cutting/slicing. Perhaps your re-grind has addressed that.

I think efforts to design an affordable combination bayonet / field knife / personal weapon (the M9 for instance) are interesting, but the functional compromises are always going to result in complaints.

I think the best effort to date has been the 1960's era bayonet produced by Fiskars and Hackman for the various Valmet rifles.
 
I have tons of those swiss bayonets. They have a massive crate of them at smoky mountain knife works, all for 5 bucks apiece. You have to kinda dig to find ones in good shape, but they are one cool looking knife.
 
Dennis, your choice may suit you, but it would be illegal in many jurisdictions in the US as it is a double-edged dagger type of knife. Please do not ask me to explain why that should make it more lethal or inherently evil than a single edged knife, but such is the case under many state and local laws. Any American considering carrying such a knife should check their local ordnances first.
 
FullerH said:
Dennis, your choice may suit you, but it would be illegal in many jurisdictions in the US as it is a double-edged dagger type of knife. Please do not ask me to explain why that should make it more lethal or inherently evil than a single edged knife, but such is the case under many state and local laws. Any American considering carrying such a knife should check their local ordnances first.
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shite!......forgot the double-edge thing. well, yeah, it's illegal in my neck of the globe as well (Europe, Holland)

oh well, screw that :grumpy:
 
Vorpal Blade said:
Knife selection is a very personal choice, so I say go for it.

It looks like a really nice knife and I'm sure you can accomplish most outdoor chores with it. Personally the steep grinds created by the double edge would bother me. I'm sure the edges can be made very sharp but the grind angle will probably make some tasks difficult.

Preferences often change with continued use and you can always change designs at some point in the future.
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What he said, exactly.
 
yeah, i slugged through the first 3 before giving up my controller for a civilized life of non gaming. lol. Loved the movie too.
 
dennis, what ever works for you! No matter what anyone else thinks of it, what the steel, style or heattreat is, if it works for you, it is obviously just right.
 
dennis75 said:
Cliff Stamp told me the bayo was most likely "case-hardened"
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Actually I was the guy in your other thread who told you the first time that your bayonet may be case-hardened. Cliff Stamp is a knowledgeble and helpful guy but maybe somoene else is deserves some credit sometimes, right?
 
Redguy said:
Actually I was the guy in your other thread who told you the first time that your bayonet may be case-hardened. Cliff Stamp is a knowledgeble and helpful guy but maybe somoene else is deserves some credit sometimes, right?
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sorry Redguy, i knew i had this feeling like "someone else also mentioned it......."

due credits to you Redguy dude!

btw, the sharpening shop told the same. the outside was hardened tool steel, the inside is workable stainless steel (most likely 420?)

thanks for all the help guys, especially Redguy ;) :thumbup:

denn
 
Thanks dennis75. :) Anyway I used an old Kalashnikov bayonet and later a Phrobis M9 during long hikes for chopping, cutting, throwing and stuff like that. They were quite servicable, but definately not great. They are fun blades, usually good throwers, but for $60, I'd rather have a Becker or a Ranger. they have muck better bladeshape and edge retention.
 
i'm currently thinking of getting a Glock 78 Field Knife. they've been tested very well and cost next to nothing......

that'll be probably my next purchase

denn
 
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