BCNW-O1 Vs. Entrek Forester?

EDDAKA

EDDAKA

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Hey guys,

Been really wanting to get one of these knives, for a while now. Not much info on the net about them. I love my mora #2 Immensely. However there are some minor things I don't like about it. (Rat tail tang, hole in the guard that allows food to get into while food prep, etc.)

I really like the BCNW, Bamboo scales are original, and o-1 steel is great. however people have reported the bamboo scales can shrink/warp if you get water on them. So i would like to know if this is a big problem. I don't want to have to maintain the scales. This would occasionally filet fish, and encounter water.

The o-1 isn't also the most rust resistant steel ever either. (Shouldn't be a problem problem, as I take care of my blades, but is something to note.)

Entrek has nice micarta scales that are impervious to weather compared to bamboo.

It's also made out of 440c. Which is pretty darn rust resistant. They say entrek's heatreat is really quite good too, but I don't think it can't stand up to O-1's sharpness holding.

I also dislike the microbevel entrek put on it, compared to the true scandi grinds.

Which do you think would be a better knife, and why?
 
You heard right about Entrek's HT of 440C. Prior to owning one, I never thought
440C could hold an edge for so long.
 
never handled an Entrek, but the BCNW is a WONDERFUL knife. I really want one as well. If you dig your Mora, I think you will love it. Its one of the most comfy knives Ive held.
 
If your into the BCNW, and Moras, Look into the Blind Horse Knives Boat Tail Scandi... I have 2 and they are great knives. They are 1095, but I recently had mine at and around the ocean for a week and didnt have any problems...Plus, Micarta scales.

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I've only seen one marginal quality photo of the Entrek but it is a knock-off (or another makers version) of the BCNW. No idea if it's an improvement or not with the stainless and edge grind nor how it feels in the hand. I find that generally "copies" don't surpass the original but my search for this category of knife ended with the BCNW. I sold off a F-1, a Koster in 3V, and the Bravo-1 in favor of the BCNW.

The BCNW bamboo scales are stabilized so they are impervious to water or moisture.

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I would get all 3, and then you would know which is the best for you. return the other 2 too the mix in the BF exchange, when you are done.
 
I do believe my BCNW sees the most use of any of my blades. It is exactly what a scandi woods knife should be. I've used mine for many trips to the woods, lots of carving, and various food prep tasks, and have never had a problem with the scales shrinking/warping/etc. If that's a knife style you're remotely interested in (and based on your love for the mora I'd say that's a yes), the you really should have to BCNW.
 
I picked one up at the Eugene show yesterday. There is no secondary bevel. It is a scandi grind!
get one, you'll love it!
Ted
 
The BCNW really does look amazing. The swell in the handle looks ideal, just like a mora no.1
 
j williams said:
If your into the BCNW, and Moras, Look into the Blind Horse Knives Boat Tail Scandi... I have 2 and they are great knives. They are 1095, but I recently had mine at and around the ocean for a week and didnt have any problems...Plus, Micarta scales.

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I very nearly pulled the trigger on one of those myself( checked my wallet but only had a stick of gum and two quarters:(), great looking blades !;):thumbup:
 
i love my BCNW-O1.. it is an awesome knife and extremely comfortable to use... i also have not had a problem with the scales at all... i love the bamboo, it has very nice neutral feel to it...
the BHK "boat tail scandi" is also a great choice too..:) i snapped this pic after they both arrived, some months back..

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i loooove the thumb scallops on the handle scales... they are a nice addition..

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The bcnw looks great, what is the blade thickness?
Found this pic online, it looks pretty thick.

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TedPalmer said:
I picked one up at the Eugene show yesterday. There is no secondary bevel. It is a scandi grind!
get one, you'll love it!
Ted
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Put up a bunch of photos, the only one to be found is the non-zoom dark one on their site.
 
Ramm9 said:
I've only seen one marginal quality photo of the Entrek but it is a knock-off (or another makers version) of the BCNW.
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Subject has already been discussed earlier.
Apparently Entrek made the design for BNW before they started their own custom production.
Then Entrek retained the design and went on making it.

Apparently there is an agreement between them so everything is fine (as I remember).

Now about actual knives.

From specs
Entrek is not scandi. That'd be my personal main problem with it.
I would also prefer O1 over 440C but can get along with it.

I have myself the custom version
Overall good knife.
Two small fields of improvement would be:
* blade is too thick from my liking
* Heat treatment is OK but I feel like it chips a little too much for my liking (please note that's only one particular knife, and I'm somewhat nit-picking)
* the bamboo material (sort of "bamboo micarta"), is actually a very good surprise as it is fairly light and has held up very well so far.
 
I'm starting to lean more towards the BCNW. I'm willing to give up the rust Resistance, for shaprness/durability. Also I really prefer scandi grinds, over the little hollow/flat grind entrek puts on it.

I also like the actual "scallops" the BCNW has over the thumb "ramp" the forester has.

I may just get the BCNW and pick up the entrek later to compare.

Thanks for all the help guys :)
 
Hello again!
I have been using an Entrek Forester for about a week now. It is a scandi grind, no secondary bevel. As Ray himself said to me "the edge is ground as flat as is possible". There is no secondary bevel or semi hollow grind at all. :confused: I will get some pics up as soon as I can.
I have had and used a lot of scandis, both full tang, partial and stick, this knife is definitely in the scandi "family" of hard use bush knives!!:thumbup:
be safe... Ted
 
TedPalmer said:
Hello again!
I have been using an Entrek Forester for about a week now. It is a scandi grind, no secondary bevel. As Ray himself said to me "the edge is ground as flat as is possible". There is no secondary bevel or semi hollow grind at all. :confused: I will get some pics up as soon as I can.
I have had and used a lot of scandis, both full tang, partial and stick, this knife is definitely in the scandi "family" of hard use bush knives!!:thumbup:
be safe... Ted
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Hey ted,

On the website and dealers it say in the description "although be warned now it is not a traditional Scandi ground blade."

And I also ran across this page on knifeforums:

http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/868474/

"In a previous thread Tstetz mentioned the Entrek Forester in 440C. The add says flat ground and the photo is scandi. I inquired about this from Entrek store and got the following response

"A full flat grind goes from the spine to the bevel, with a secondary bevel at the edge.

A flat grind goes from the bevel to anywhere in the knife side, many times halfway up, sometimes less, sometimes more. This can also be known as a near full flat grind, if it goes up to the spine for half the knife, and almost to it for the rest (like in drop point knives).

So, a scandi just is one grind, a flat, convex, or hollow, doesnt matter, but with no secondary bevel. If a flat grind is small enough, and doesnt go very high, it can look like a scandi, but the forester has a secondary edge, so it is just a flat grind."

...."in fact in my experience it is every bit a scandi grind but with a very small secondary bevel, only seen with the naked eye as a very minute shiny line along the edge."

Even Mike Lummio maker of the BCNW-01, who entrek borrowed the idea from Said entrek put a convex edge on their forester's.

So I'm wondering.....does entrek just put on whatever edge they feel like before shipping out? :D:p
 
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