Becker Blade Database !!! (News, Knife Specs and Data)

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2017-04-26

When the forum migrated from old to new software, all the perma links got broken, including intra post links (like this post), and all references to various information posts, without text references, or a good guess, are lost forever. Can't search for what you don't know. Bummer.

I'll try to repair the database, and the other information post, but there's only so much that can be recovered, and it will take a lot of time.

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o One stop shopping for sharpening angles:

o The almost last word on the steel, and heat treats for Camillus, KaBar, and more. Almost.

o Everything you wanted to know about Becker Screws, Micarta, Handles (Blackjack, Camillus, KaBar eras), Steel...

- BK-01 - Brute - not in production

o BK-02 - Campanion

o BK-03 - TacTul / TacTool / DivTul / DivTool

- BK-04 - MachAx New model! Released April 2012 - Discontinued 2016

o BK-05 - Magnum Camp NEW! Fall 2010 - Discontinued 2016

- BK-06 - Patrol Machete - not in production

o BK-07 - Combat Utility 7

- BK-08 - Prototype Helicopter Egress Tool - never in production

o BK-09 - Combat Bowie

o BK-10 - Crewman Utility

KaBar Limited 180 release Fall 2011 at $150, no more planned, ever !!!
Regular production also resumed 2013

o BK-11 - Becker Necker

o BK-12 - Doug Ritter RSK® Mk2 PerseveranceNEW! Winter 2010

- BK-13 - Remora

Updated with 1095 Cro-Van steel, a redesigned sheath, and marked with the new BK&T KA-BAR stamps,
the Necker is the same quality performer it has always been...only better.

o BK-14 - Becker BK14 EsKaBar NEW! Fall 2010 - Also in D2 steel now!

o Tweeners/Shorties BK-15 New model! Released April 2012 - Discontinued 2015

o Tweeners/Shorties BK-16 New model! Released April 2012

o Tweeners/Shorties BK-17 New model! Released April 2012 - Discontinued 2015

o Tweener-ish/ShortiesBK-18 Harpoon (tan standard, black SMKW)

o BK-20 Bundock Bowie

o BK-21 - New Reinhardt Kukri
o Original Reinhardt Kukri

o BK-22 - BK-2 Campanion with a molle sheath
o BK-23 - Mini-King Skeletonized Knife

o BK-24 - See BK-14 in D2 - - Discontinued 2016

o BK-29 Moses Bowie

o BK-40 Drop point folding knife

o BK-41 - The Tomahawk only 50 made! In April.

o BK-62 - The Becker Kephart

o BK-98 - Becker Tuko Limited Edition Bushcrafting Chef Knife (tweener sized edition)

o BK-99 - What could it be?

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New stuff I just haven't gotten to yet:

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Grind Angles by model:

BK-00 - ?? (unknown)

BK-01 - ?? (Brute)

BK-02 - 20 degrees (Campanion)

BK-03 - 15 degrees (Tac Tool - note: chisel edge)

BK-04 - ?? degrees (MachAx - no clue!)

BK-05 - 20 degrees (Magnum Camp; for KaBar model)

BK-06 - 20 degrees (Patrol Machete)

BK-07 - 20 degrees (Combat Utility)

BK-08 - ?? degrees (Camillus prototype would guess 20)

BK-09 - 20 degrees (Combat Bowie

BK-10 - 20 degrees (Crewman Utility)

BK-11 - 15 degrees (Classic Necker)

BK-12 - 20 degrees (Doug Ritter RSK® Mk2 Perseverance)

BK-13 - 15 degrees (Remora)

BK-14 - 15 degrees (Eskabar Necker)

BK-15

BK-16

BK-17

BK-20

BK-21

BK-22

NK-23

BK-24

BK-29

BK-41

BK-62

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Steel notes:

*** On Carbon-V: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9061467

1) Cold Steel Carbon V was first produced in the Alcas Factory (Cutco and KA-BAR) Mid 1980s, Carbon V was originally 1095CV/0170-06/50100B.
2) Cold Steel moved to Ontario 1990s. Carbon V started out as 1095CV/0170-06/50100B
While at Ontario, Dan Maragni removed the small amount of nickel from the formula.
3) Cold Steel moved to Camillus approx. 1995. Carbon V stayed 0170-06 minus the nickel.
How do I know all of this?...I have worked at all 3 factories.

Basically the last Carbon V is still 0170-06. Nickel, in addition to the added toughness also decreases the austenite to martensite transformation temp. It is added to counter balanced the chrome which raises the transformation temp.
Best Regards,Paul Tsujimoto,Sr Eng,Prod Dev and Qual,KA-BAR Knives

*** On 1095 1095-CroVan: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803294

Here is the chemistry for Sharon Steel 0170-06 (From Sharon Steel ref.book)

C: 0.95-1.10; Mn:0.30-0.50; P:0.025max; S: 0.025max; Si:0.15-0.25; Cr:0.40-0.60; Ni:0.25; *Mo:0.06*; V:0.15-0.25.

This is also the formula for KA-BAR's 1095CV. If one orders enough steel a steel company will make what ever one wants. That is the case with both Cold Steel Carbon V and Case CV variations on 0179-06. Slight variations can be thought of as entirely different steels or just a variation. It's all good steel but it still must be processed properly.
Unless there was a radical change that I didn't know about, Camillus processed the Carbon V with a lead potoil quench using a traditional Austenizing/Quench/Temper process. Dan Maragni's strong point was fine tuning the temps, making sure the heat thermocouples were proper, heating medium was proper, quench oil had the proper additives. He was (is) very good at that.
I like Dan alot and I miss our great conversations when Cold Steel was at Ontario.
Hope this helps.
Best Regards,Paul Tsujimoto,Sr Eng,Prod Dev and Qual,KA-BAR Knives

So sayeth Phil:

Carbon V definately came first. It was the brainchild of the Metal God, Dan Maragni, & was, in my opinion, what put Cold Steel on the map all those years ago.

When Cold Steel came to Camillus to make their carbon steel knives, they did not want to pay for the vast amount of steel that had to be purchased in order to have a custom steel made to their specifications.
Consequently Cold Steel agreed that Camillus could also use the steel (& pay them a royalty, I believe) but could not call it Carbon V.

I came up with the name 0170-6C, based on an almost close (but NOT) steel produced by Sharron Steel called 0170-6.

All this is historical trivia.

The real issue for those who understand is Heat Treatment!

The reason that the Camillus Beckers perform so well is that Dan Maragni set up a system of heat treatment at Camillus for the Cold Steel knives, & oversaw almost every batch of knives produced. What we learnt about heat treating Cold Steel seeped over to the Becker knives.

 

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o Screws + Nuts == Fasteners

Extremely popular question... From Toooj '''The Fasteners for the BK-2, 3, 7, 77, 9 are Socket Head Cap screws #10-24 x 5/8" L. The BK-11 Screws are #6-32 x 5/8" (Not positive on the length) Socket head Cap screws. You should be able to go to any hardware store and buy these'''

From OREGON FAL'ER '''Screw sizes are 10/32 0r 10/24 x 5/8 for the big beckers and 8/32 x 1/2 for the shorts. '''

DerekH adds '''but a Torx 20 works really well'''



o Handles

Very popular question lately, so, a breakout section just for handle materials..


o New BK14HNDL Becker Black and Orange Handle Scales for BK14 2/1/12 $16.37

o Tweeners will be getting 2 pairs of handles included per knife, in Zytel material: black and coyote brown. Included! Stop asking

o Tweener micarata will come later. There is no pricing currently, or estimate of release. Now you know, and can ... wait for it ... stop asking



o Camillus Micarta

http://perspicuityphotos.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Beckers/IMG5731/554000201_wP7oA-L.jpg

This set is on a BK-77 Extreme S30V knife, with the new KaBar micarta slab above for comparison



o KaBar Micarta

Both sides of the current production KaBar Micarta handles

and now, the Blade Show 2009 sneak peak into new possibilities for micarta. As Toooj says "the CNC is programmed..."

Yeah, and don't ask about those prices, Show Only

The above micarta is designed to fit ANY generation/variant of full-size Becker knife with the Grivory handles to the best of our knowledge. Any. No really, from the earliest MachAx to the latest KaBar, and anything in between.

Just because we KNOW you're going to ask:
o Full-size means production models BK0-1, BK-02, BK-03, BK-04, BK-05, BK-06, BK-07, BK-09, BK-10, and the Reinhardt Khukri.
o Full-size means does not include the BK-11, BK-13, and BK-14...

Check these threads on full-size micarta as well:

Any news and Pix
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648844

New Becker Handle
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624962

as well, the introduction of the BK-11 micarta handles... and they are NOW available for purchase

The BK-11 Micarta is designed to fit ANY generation/variant of BK-11, from Camillus or KaBar;

The handles will not fit the BK11 CSM SanMai out of the box, but require some modification, some simple trimming with a utility knife.

Please don't ask "where to get these" as we cannot suggest vendors. Use the power of Google "becker bk-11 micarta handle" and go shopping...

Check these threads on BK-11 Micarta as well:

Any news and Pix
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648844

Micarta Handles
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=714797


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oo BK-?? - Reinhardt Khukri

Informative URL: http://blackjack.0catch.com/pages/reinhardtkukri.htm

o Blackjack/Effingham era (1992)
oo Shape: Khukri, Limbu style
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel:
oo Rc hardness:
oo Blade length:
oo Overall length:
oo Blade thickness:
oo Knife Weight:
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Leather
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in ?
oo MSRP:

The one and true original:

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BK-01 - Brute

ooo Blackjack Brute
Second knife in above picture


ooo Camillus Brute
First knife in above picture; they usually come with black grivory handles, this one just happens to have the desert tan ones

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''15 inch overall length, 9.5 inch length blade, .250 inch thick blade'''

o Camillus era
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 9.5 inches
oo Overall length: 15 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches
oo Knife Weight: 22 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in
oo MSRP: US$159


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Current production status: <strike>Discontinued permanently</strike> yeah, it's coming back, made in taiwan, 1085 steel, probably late 2011, stop asking

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oo BK-02 - Campanion

KaBar Campanion - Second Generation

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK2

o KaBar Era First Generation
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 5.25 inches
oo Overall length: 10.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches (0.2540 measure sample)
oo Knife Weight: 14.6 ounces
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with liner
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in China
oo MSRP: US$

Similar to the first generation, except the handles are now skeletonized, and there's a pommel hammer/striker, this drops the weight about a tiny bit (1.26 oz (toooj)) and move the balance a wee bit forward:

o KaBar Era Second Generation
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 5.25 inches
oo Overall length: 10.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches (0.2540 measure sample)
oo Knife Weight: 13.34 ounces (1.26 ounces LIGHTER than the first generation)
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with liner
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in China
oo MSRP: US$101.64

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ooo Blackjack, and variants

oooo Second from right is an original 1st gen hard-chrome BK0-2
oooo Second from left is a 2nd gen powder coat "sterile" model; they are unmarked due to the powder coat being "tricky"

Factory sheaths were both leather, and a very fine Eagle Industries cordura sheath

o Blackjack era (hard chrome specs)
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6 or 1095 (depends on literature/generation?)
oo Rc hardness: 56
oo Blade length: 5.25 inches
oo Overall length: 10.625 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches
oo Knife Weight: 14.7 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with "leather" liner, very heavy duty
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in USA by Eagle Industries
oo MSRP: US$100.00-110.00

There were also some leather sheaths, and some alternate kydex sheaths seen for these. Major knife variant on the last runs included some with a sterile epoxy coating.


ooo Camillus, and variants (serrated)

oooo Left most in above picture, is a factory made serrated BK-02, military requested model
oooo Third to the left in above picture, a standard BK-02 wearing the original Camillus micarta!
oooo Right most in above picture, a standard BK-02 with the normal jammies

o Camillus era ("powder coat" specs)
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 5.25 inches
oo Overall length: 10.625 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.188 to 0.210 it seems! not a full 0.250 as promised
oo Knife Weight: 14.7 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$100.00

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''10-5/8 inch overall length, 4.5 inch length blade, .250 inch thick blade'''

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Status: Currently in production, second generation with new sheath, 3rd Gen KaBar?

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Massive BK2 testing:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...ting-the-BK2-to-the-test-so-you-don-t-have-to

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...al-part-(LOTS-of-pictures)?highlight=brab+bk2

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oo BK-03 - TacTul / TacTool / DivTul / DivTool

ooo Pre-Blackjack?, and variants

oooo From literature


ooo Blackjack, and variants

oooo Left and Right most knives in top picture


ooo Camillus

oooo Center knife in top picture

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''12.5 inch overall length, 7.0 inch length blade, .230 inch thick blade'''


ooo KaBar

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK3

o KaBar Era Generation
oo Shape: chisel
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches
oo Knife Weight: 20.8 ounces
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with liner
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in Taiwan
oo MSRP: US$145

'''Note, there is also a serrated version of the Becker Tac Tool available exclusively for government NSN orders. Please call KA-BAR customer service and reference NSN: 1095-01-493-1802 KNIFE-COMBAT (KA-BAR #BK3SG)'''

o Camillus Era Generation
oo Shape: chisel
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches
oo Knife Weight: 20.8 ounces
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with liner
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in ?
oo MSRP: US$

o Blackjack Era Generation
oo Shape: chisel
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 440A
oo Rc hardness: 56
oo Blade length: 6 inches
oo Overall length: 11 3/8 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.25 inches
oo Knife Weight: 20.0 ounces
oo Handle: Estaloc?
oo Sheath: Black nylon with "leather" liner, very heavy duty
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in USA by Eagle Industries
oo MSRP: US$130

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Very cool old stuff:

http://www.fightingknives.info/Coll...nKnivesAG/BarkRiverBKT/tabid/516/Default.aspx

RESQ Prototypes:

http://www.fightingknives.info/Default.aspx?tabid=729

http://www.fightingknives.info/Default.aspx?tabid=730

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/876391-Becker-BK3-question?p=9931710#post9931710

Here is some interesting info:
The BK-3 was designed by John Benner 30 plus years ago. He gave the design to Ethan. John was the Cincinnati PD SWAT leader and Ethan was living in Cincinnati starting BK & T. They were and still are good friends. (although the insults make it hard to tell)
Fast forward: John is retired and owns TDI (Tactical Defense Institute). Both TDI and Becker Knife and Tool are under the KA-BAR family roof. Small world.
The BK-3 was designed as a lightweight, personal carry, entry tool for SWAT, Fire and Military use. It takes a tremendous amount of abuse. See Moose's video on the Marysville's FD dismanteling a Dodge Omni with a BK-3.
I'm biased but I think you will do fine with the BK-3.
Hope this helps.

Best Regards,

Paul Tsujimoto

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Status: Currently in production, possible new sheath coming later in 2010/2011

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behold: a BK3 wrecking a car. with firefighters. techniques. nice stuff.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-1-((PIC-HEAVY))?highlight=BK3+Spotlight+Part

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/828544-BK3-Spotlight-Part-2?highlight=bk3+car

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oo BK-04 - MachAx

ooo KaBar

New potential release date (this is official as I know) : 2012-02-1 for 135.67 MSRP[/COLOR]

We have already been gifted with many many many example of the prototypes in terms of pictures and such.

o KaBar Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 9.375 inches
oo Overall length: 14.6875 inches
oo Blade thickness: .200 (about)
oo Knife Weight: 15.2 oz
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Nylon/pouch style (probably with BK13 keeper)
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$135.67


and from the news section:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...QUENTLY-Asked-Questions?p=7777612#post7777612

o Machax News

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/918916-2012-New-Becker
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...hax-and-Tweener-Interview-2011-Equip-2-Endure
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...hax-and-Tweener-New-Video-from-Equip-2-Endure!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/823720-Machax-what-s-the-deal
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/846743-Where-are-the-Machax-and-tweener-pics



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ooo Blackjack, and variants

Second from the top, in the top picture, MachAx Warrior, a lighter faster MachAx with Sharpened flase edge

Third and Fourth from the top, in the top picture, hard chrome MachAx variants; one is VERY silver typical of hard chrome, the other has a slight coppery cast

Fifth from the top, in the top picture is the original? phosphate-finish, appearing a smooth hard black coating

Bottom knife, in the top picture, powder coated last generation MachAx variant, "sterile" model; they are unmarked due to the powder coat being "tricky"

o Blackjack Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 56
oo Blade length: 9.5 inches
oo Overall length: 14.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: .2175 (7/32)
oo Knife Weight: 19 oz
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$110



ooo Camillus

Top knife, in the top picture, Camillus epoxy coated model

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''15.0 inch overall length, 9.5 inch length blade, .250 inch thick blade'''

o Camillus Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 9.5 inches
oo Overall length: 15 inches
oo Blade thickness: .25
oo Knife Weight: 22.2 oz
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$130


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MACHAX SURVIVAL TOOL

Modern interpretation of the classic Gurkha Kukri

Staff Evaluation

"I want a tool I can use for everything - chopping and whittling as well as a froe, hammer or pry bar," explains Ethan Becker, president of Becker Knife and Tool Corporation which makes the Machax Survival Tool and a similar knife called the Warrior.

"It is not the best hammer, but the flat can be used for one if needed. It is not the best pry bar, but it works. In its primary uses, chopping and hacking, please note that when it hits it hits dead. There is no 'machete wrist' from vibration! You will be able to use the Machax for quite a while before your wrist hurts." One of our guys took a Machax out in the woods and in four hours with the Machax as his only tool he built and thatched a roomy lean-to shelter for two people, a fire frame and reflector, two pieces of camp furniture and stocked the camp with firewood - and no machete wrist.

"Note also the differential grind on Machax which has more of a slicing angle on the inside of the curve to more of a chopping and splitting angle closer to the tip. We are, I think, the only people who sharpen down close to the grip on a tool like this so that it is easy to use for close-up work."

The heavy 1/4 inch 4140 chrome-moly blade of the Machax borrows the unmatched weight distribution of the Gurkha Kukri knife (which itself is a variation of an ancient design), combines it with fine American steel, full tang construction and Zytel scales large enough for a good working grip. Weight is 20 ounces.

The 4140 chrome-moly steel is moderately heat treated, giving it a very tough nature. It can be quickly sharpened using a file, stone or rock if need be. It will rust, but it has a rust resistant phosphate finish except for the edge. A little oil will help prevent corrosion. If the scales or blade are ever broken, BK&T will replace them without question - provided you didn't do it on purpose. We tried out the Machax in a bamboo thicket and on several types of dead and live trees and heavy brush and found it to be excellent.

The Machax can be purchased with fine black leather or nylon sheath for $129 (either sheath alone is $25) from Becker Knife & Tool Corp., Dept. ASG, P.O. Box 44179, Cincinnati, OH 45244; (513) 231-9446. Ohio residents add 5-1/2 percent sales tax. Also available at better cutlery dealers.
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As it appeared in American Survival Guide magazine - January 1989
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Some threads on the BK-04 MachAx:

Becker Machax Porn ;>
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=552479&highlight=machax

Machax Porn ;> ;>
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=601964

Even more old Machax lore - original prototype:
http://www.fightingknives.info/Default.aspx?tabid=728


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ever wonder what the difference are from old and new?

really? yah, right

well, i took the handles off a nearly 30 yo Cincinnati Machax (#20 written on handle? mmm) and traced out...

then did the same with a Kabar 2012 stamped model overlayed on the CinCinn...

weighed the naked blades. measured thickness too. length too, indirectly via graph paper at 1/4 inch squares...

results?

full size, for the morbidly curious: http://perspicuityphotos.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Beckers/i-GkZXCnR/0/O/9026-crop.jpg

for those not into looking at the picture, and reading my handwritiing...

+ bolt holes the same, major top angles and dog leg the same...

+ CinCinn is about 1/4 inch longer, and had a bit more belly up front; (more in handle too)
Funny note: the CinCinn bolt hardware is parkerized apparently, and the outer bolts (#1 and #3) are ground down and thus shorter than #2! don't mix them up!
As well, they appear to have been coated after grinding!
Handle material is Estaloc, and isn't 1:1 with the new handles.

+ KaBar has the pommel of course; and two cut outs in the handle naturally; there's small swedge at the front angle, making it more like a Warrior model of old, but that takes away forward weight as well.

+ CinCinn #20: 0.2180 thick (phosphate coated) and 17.0 ounces

+ KaBar 2012: 0.1950 thick (with smooth coating) and 12.75 ounces

0.023 inches DIFFERENT!

4.25 ounces DIFFERENT! the CinCinn is heavier and more forward weighted esp.

+ for Science!


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'''The classic camp knife with a modern flair designed by ABF Master Bladesmith Jerry Fisk'''

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK5




o KaBar Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 8.0 inches
oo Overall length: 13.5 inches
oo Blade thickness: 3/16 inches (.188, .190 with coating)
oo Knife Weight: 12.0 oz (0.75 pounds / 11.9 ounces measured specimen)
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Black nylon with liner && a built in sheath for a BK-13 Remora (not included)
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in China
oo MSRP: US$128.04

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Some current hot links:

Magnum Camp - 3 Generations! new KaBar vs Camillus vs Blackjack
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8767863

Magnum Camp!!!!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=780961

This thread pointer has a beautiful mod done - it's completely sweet!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6233155&postcount=26

New KaBar Magnum Camp Pictures from Ethan Becker (with lots of photos)
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=700295

Ethan's Trip to KaBar Olean/NY Last Week
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7777614

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=633745


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Models, Variants, and Specs:

o Camillus: Top knife in above picture

o KaBar: Middle knife in above picture

o Cincinnati: Bottom knife in the above picture

Summary of other Magnum Camp Specifications:

o Blackjack era:

oo Steel: 440-C
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Rc hardness: 58
oo Blade length: 8.5 inches
oo Overall length: 13.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 3/16 inches (.188)
oo Knife Weight: 14.2 oz
oo Handle: Esta-Loc
oo Sheath: Leather, metal pin lock , Kenny Rowe Design
oo Origins: knife made in USA, leather pin-lock sheath made by Kenny Row
oo MSRP: US$140 (original) / street price: US$89.95 (same as KaBars - hah)

o Camillus Era
oo Shape: clip
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 8.5 inches
oo Overall length: 13.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 3/16 inches (.188, .198 with coating)
oo Knife Weight: 14.3 oz
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$110

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Here's the oldest original catalog copy I can find:

Check out that price. That's the street price then. Street price now is typically less! Nice.

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Status: 2010-10-11: Currently in production by KaBar, available for purchase. Go get some.

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just in case you ever wondered what the 3 major versions had for differences?

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[Bladite]

oo BK-06 - Patrol Machete

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''19.0 inch overall length, 14.0 inch length blade, .250 inch thick blade'''

o Camillus era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 14 inches
oo Overall length: 19 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.188 inches
oo Knife Weight: 17.8 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, rubberized cloth
oo MSRP: US$114


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Any plans for a new BK-06 Patrol Machete?
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7877559#post7877559

short form: nope - length of blade is too long for current machinery, physically CANNOT make it...

!!! Update !!!

Current production status: <strike>Discontinued</strike> yeah, it's coming back, made in taiwan, 1085 steel, probably late 2011, stop asking

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WARNING WARNING WARNING - FAKES - BUYER BEWARE

If you see BK-06 Patrol Machete, Becker Machete, or other variants on name, being sold/traded NEW IN BOX, be very careful...

o Fake box has a picture of Ethan Becker a Patrol Machete ... Bad sign. Fake.

o Fake box has chinese characters on it. VERY bad sign. Very fake.

o Fake patrol machetes are mirror Silver or "Gray" - real models are black coated only

o Fake patrol machetes are made out of 420A

o Fake patrol machetes are listed at 57 HRC

o Fake blades have "Adolph Kaster" listed on them in cursive script

o Handles don't look right... Camillus never made "ebony" handles

o Fake screws are cheesy slotted bolts not proper hex-caps

o Need i go on? If it's too good to be true... Caveat Emptor Big Time

o They're unauthorized counterfeit copies - fakes - BUYER BEWARE!!!

See these threads:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=741841
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=744495

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803529
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=803518

Ethan is particularly aware of these things, and I'm shure he's shocked, SHOCKED mind you, that someone would steal his designs and impersonate his person. Possibly flattered too, but mostly shocked :>

CamiLLus FAKE FAKE FAKE: has pictures of the fake:
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-f...-knife-Super-Mirror-Edition--wholesalers.html

Archived fake pictures:

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[Bladite]

oo BK-07 - Combat Utility 7

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''??? inch overall length, 7.0 inch length blade, .188 inch thick blade'''
'''Flat saber grind'''


ooo Camillus BK-07, and variants (desert, serrated)

1095 Cro-Van Steel, '''Proudly made in the USA''' and ''12.75 inch overall length, 7.0 inch length blade, .188? inch thick blade'''

o Camillus era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.21 inches
oo Knife Weight: 12.9 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in china
oo MSRP: US$80



ooo KaBar BK-07

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK7

1095 Cro-Van Steel, '''Proudly made in the USA''' and ''12.75 inch overall length, 7.0 inch length blade, .188? inch thick blade'''

o KaBar era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.21 inches
oo Knife Weight: 13.6 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in china
oo MSRP: US$116



ooo Camillus BK-77 - Combat Utility 7 Extreme

o Camillus era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: ? degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: S30V
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.21 inches
oo Knife Weight: 12.9 ounces
oo Handle: Micarta
oo Sheath: SpecOps combat type sheath
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made by SpecOps (USA)
oo MSRP: US$390 !!!



ooo KaBar 2009 BK-77 - Combat Utility 7 Extreme

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK77

o KaBar era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: Crucible S30V
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 7 inches
oo Overall length: 12.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.21 inches
oo Knife Weight: 12.9 ounces
oo Handle: Green Canvas Micarta
oo Sheath: Similar to regular model, black and tan
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made (china (or mexico)) (simliar to BK9 sheath, but tan)
oo MSRP: US$300

'''This LIMITED EDITION model has been upgraded with Crucible S30V Steel and beautiful green canvas Micarta handles. Only 150 made - get yours before they're gone!'''

KaBar got their hands on some Camillus blanks from the auction, and did a bunch of cleanup, heat treat, new handles, and they are etched "KaBar 2009". These are the last ever S30V BK7 variants. About 275? were finished, and when they are gone, they are gone, forever... I believe they also came with BK-13 Remoras as well.

Thread on the BK-77 as well:

Any news and Pix
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=648844

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Status:
o BK7 - Straight edge only, current production
o BK77 - Limited number made (less than 300) : out of production (probably forever)

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[Bladite]

oo BK-08 - Prototype Helicopter/Pilot Escape/Egress Tool

from Ethan Becker: '''The helicopter egress tool (I had no idea it was called that) was developed under the hands of that great student of the cutlery arts and crafts, Phillip Gibbs....I was told after the fact (NOT Gibbs's fault) that it was supposed to have the same size "envelope" as the classic PILOT SURVIVAL knife. After looking once again at the aesthetic abomination that blade is, I am fervently hopefull that Phil's time spent at the feet of one of the great geniuses in our field has sharpened and buffed what I hope is a nascent talent to match both his humor and a genuine genius for things mechanical......'''

from Phil Gibbs: '''The Helicopter Egress was a sample submitted for a Government need. it was a rapidly developed prototype, designed by committee, intended to perform too many tasks in a single design. Ethan Becker was not involved in it, hence the lack of finesse, style and appeal. Cost was surely a factor in it's demise. I believe I made a total of 5 of them.'''

Thread(s) about the BK-08 Helicopter egress tool:

Heres one probaly NO ONE knows about! Or for Mr. Ethan remember!
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=621369

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Status: Never in Production, approximately five made.

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[Bladite]

oo BK-09 - Combat Bowie

ooo Camillus, and variants (desert, hog hunter)

Bottom two knives in top picture are Camillus BK-09s

From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''??? inch overall length, 9.0 inch length blade, .025 inch thick blade'''

o Camillus era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 9 inches
oo Overall length: 14.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.21 inches
oo Knife Weight: 18.25 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in china
oo MSRP: US$96.50



ooo KaBar

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK9

Top knife in top picture is a KaBar BK-09, with the limited time included BK-13 Remora

o KaBar era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 9 inches
oo Overall length: 14.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.188 inches
oo Knife Weight: 16.8 ounces
oo Handle: Esta-Loc or Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: Kydex
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in china
oo MSRP: US$128

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comparison shot of Camillus vs KaBar thickness

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Status: Currently in production

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[Bladite]

oo BK-10 - Crewman Utility

o KaBar era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 Cro-Van
oo Rc hardness: 56-58
oo Blade length: 5.5 inches
oo Overall length: 11.0 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.188 inches
oo Knife Weight: 12 ounces
oo Handle: KaBar Zytel
oo Sheath: Heavy-Duty Polyester sheath with front pocket (China)
oo Origins: Knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US $128

Status: Currently in production (2013)

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From the Camillus literature: '''Exclusive high carbon steel (0170-6C) flat ground blade, 58-59 RC blade hardness, black epoxy coating, Becker trademark GV6H ergonomic handles, Kydex multi-carry sheath system, Proudly made in the USA''' and '''??? inch overall length, 5.0 inch length blade, .188 inch thick blade'''

o Camillus era
oo Shape: clip point
oo Edge Angle: 20 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6
oo Rc hardness: 58-59
oo Blade length: 5.5 inches
oo Overall length: 11.0 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.188 inches
oo Knife Weight: approx 12.0 ounces with Camillus Grivory Handles
oo Handle: Grivory-GV-6H
oo Sheath: OD green Nylon sheath w/insert
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$75

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Beckerhead Special (BK10 LE):

BK-10 Special Release News:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/863266-Beckerhead-BK-10-Special


http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/863246-Disccusion-Beckerhead-BK-10-Special-(was-Don-t-you-just-HATE-it-when-...)

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[Bladite]

oo BK-11 - Necker

ooo KaBar

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK11

o KaBar Era
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 57-58
oo Blade length: 3.25 inches
oo Overall length: 6.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.166 inch
oo Knife Weight: 2.4 ounces (0.15 pounds)
oo Handle: skeletonized
oo Sheath: friction necker-style glass filled sheath
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in Taiwan
oo MSRP: US$56.44


ooo KaBar SanMai

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK11CS

o KaBar Era
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: SanMai Carbon/Stainless (sandwich of Hitachi White Steel 2 core, clad with 410 stainless)
oo Rc hardness: 57-58
oo Blade length: 3.25 inches
oo Overall length: 6.75 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.166 inch
oo Knife Weight: 2.4 ounces (0.15 pounds)
oo Handle: skeletonized
oo Sheath: friction necker-style glass filled sheath
oo Origins: knife made in JAPAN, sheath made in Taiwan
oo MSRP: US$125.68

ooo Camillus

o Camillus Era
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 0170-6C
oo Rc hardness: 57-58
oo Blade length: 3.25 inches
oo Overall length: 7.0 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.166 inch
oo Knife Weight: 2.65 ounces (0.165 pounds)
oo Handle: skeletonized
oo Sheath: friction necker-style glass filled sheath
oo Origins: knife made in USA
oo MSRP: US$


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Some pictures from Blade Show 2009 with various neckers, including the Prototype BK-11 Micarta handles...
(ignore the price lists, those are show prices :>)

Micarta is availabe! Now! See the micarcta section for details...

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Cord wrapping techniques for the BK-11, a popular topic. As we get more threads (or find old ones), this will get more populated; in the meantime paid members can use search, or one can just browse, there's not a lot of noise in this forum [yet]... Browse! GO! :>


Becker Necker Cord Wrap picture
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7847769

San Mai Review:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=586943

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Status:

o Regular model: Currently in production, new plastic non kydex sheath

o SanMai model: As with the BK77, Limited number made : out of production == get them while you can

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[Bladite]

oo BK-12 - Doug Ritter RSK® Mk2 Perseverance

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Status: mmm, end of February 2011? (was December 2010)

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Status links:

Production model photos:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=829656

other links:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796450
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=813986

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Okay cats and dogs, it's out! Finally :>

http://www.dougritter.com/dr_rsk_mk2.htm
http://www.dougritter.com/dr_rsk_mk2.htm
http://www.dougritter.com/dr_rsk_mk2.htm

here's some new stolen pictures of production models:

and yes, because someone always asks (can i put FOO handles on my Becker [variant]), you CAN put the KaBar micarta (or other handles) on this, but if you want to keep the brass plugs, you will have to remove some material FROM the handles if they are flush/not-hollow:

very interesting. here's some other older stolen pictures of Camillus prototypes:

SWEEEEEEEEEET

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The Sheath:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=799776

The Knife!

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796450

Some raw information to be formatted later:

Doug Ritter RSK® Mk2
Design Ethan Becker & Doug Ritter
Blade Material 1095 hardened to 57 HRC
Blade Length 6 in. (15.24 cm)
Blade Thickness 0.188 in. (4.78 mm)
Blade Shape Wide-Chord Drop Point
Blade Grind High Flat Grind
40º inclusive edge, 8º bevel
Overall Length 11.375 in. (28.89 cm)
Balance Variable Perfect Balance™
Weight (full up) 13.2 oz. (374 g)
Weight (w/ all 3 brass plugs removed) 12.8 oz. (263 g)
Tang Style Full, extends past handle material at rear, lanyard hole
Blade/Tang Finish Charcoal Gray Powdercoat
Handle Material Black Glass Reinforced Swiss GV6H
Sheath Multi-carry Ballistic Nylon w/ heat molded Liner

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Some now informational threads:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814722

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7991932

A thread link by BF member Critter
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6350333&postcount=13

and copied here:

BK12 / RSK Mk2 by Camillus. Prototypes only, not sure how many total with minor variations, certianly fewer than a dozen. Was just getting ready to order blade stamps to enter production when Camillus went under.

BK12 / RSK Mk2 with BK2 Campanion (below) and BK10 Crewman (top):

Doug Ritter
www.KnifeRights.org
www.DougRitter.com
www.equipped.org

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[Bladite]

oo BK-13 - Remora

As introduced to us:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=655200

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber=BK13CP

o KaBar Era 2
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: Hollow
oo Steel: 440A Stainless
oo Rc hardness: 55-57
oo Blade length: 2.4 inches
oo Overall length: 5.125 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.166 inch
oo Knife Weight: 1.1 ounces ( 0.07 pounds)
oo Handle: skeletonized / bead blasted
oo Sheath: friction necker-style
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in China
oo MSRP: US$28.07

o KaBar Era 1
oo Note: the "made in china" versions were a limited run prototype sampler, don't have the bead blasted handles, but are otherwise similar in all specs

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Ethan's Trip to KaBar Olean/NY Last Week
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706796

These are the specs for the new made in USA model, with the slight bead blast appearance
(the introductory/original smooth made in china model is probably about exactly the same)

Proudly made in the USAof 440A stainless steel, and 5 1/8th inch overall length, 2.25 inch length blade, .125 inch thick blade'''
Weighing in at 0.15 lb (2.4 ounces), and comes with a hard plastic sheath

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o BK-13CP - https://www.kabar.com/knives/detail/6 - The latest version of the Becker Remora is made from 1095 Cro-Van steel and is coated with smooth black powder coating (effective 12/16)

Weight 0.10 lb Steel 1095 Cro-Van
Blade Type Fixed Blade Lock Style N/A
Measurements Blade length 2.375", Overall length 5.125" Grind Hollow
Edge Angles 20 Degrees Handle Material 1095 Cro-Van
Shape Drop Point HRC 55-57CR
Stamp KA-BAR/BK&T Butt Cap/Guard N/A
Pocket Clip N Made in Knife Made in USA, Sheath Made in China
NSN N/A Blade Thickness 0.125
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Status: Currently in production, second generation

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[Bladite]

ooo BK14 - EsKaBar

KaBar 1st Generation BK-11 Necker blade and ESEE handle collaboration

(Attribution: picture from http://www.woodsmonkey.com ; http://www.woodsmonkey.com/pictures/2010SHOT/Day1/2010-SHOT-062.JPG)

https://www.kabar.com/product/productDetail.do?productNumber= BK14

o KaBar Era
oo Shape: drop point
oo Edge Angle: 15 degrees
oo Grind: flat
oo Steel: 1095 CroVan
oo Rc hardness: 57-58
oo Blade length: 3.25 inches
oo Overall length: 7.0 inches
oo Blade thickness: 0.166 inch
oo Knife Weight: 2.65 ounces (0.165 pounds)
oo Handle: skeletonized
oo Sheath: friction necker-style glass filled sheath
oo Origins: knife made in USA, sheath made in Taiwan
oo MSRP: US$56.44

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First pictures of the beast:

Ummm I saw a necker thats confused me yall should check this out
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=708775

The "BRAT" knife has an official name now: Becker BK14 EsKaBar reflecting the heritage of all involved.

Name is the winning submission in the naming contest:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=733953
by onado2000, Rat Pack# 25... Congratulations to you!

The knives are "flowing across the production room floor" and ETA to public is August/September...

Look for it!

Show here:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=760176

and a handy extract from the above link:

a lucky dude [sneaking pictures by PropThePolecat]

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see these thread for details / etc on the handle sizing and scales and stuff... comparisons to Izula:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=802121

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747513

and more!

also see THIS thread, picture heavy, comparisons to Izula, DISCUSS IT:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8790024

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on fitting the Micarta:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=747513

Basicsily Toooj says '''You are correct. The Rowen Izula handles will not fit on the BK14 handle. The esteemed Mr. Becker wanted a bit more width on the handle struts and the opening is smaller than the Izula. When we were developing the BK14, the Izula Micarta handles were not out yet.

If one takes the Rowen Micarta handles and shaves down the edges with a file or exacto knife, they will fit. If there is a lot of teeth knashing and chest beating, we can change.'''

more pictures and information:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=759339
(missed this thread, perhaps it should be moved to Becker and not General?)

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=758842

and let us not forget the origin story:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646719

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