Becker Skills and Information Thread 02 - November 2013 - Knife Choice, Usage, Maint

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Alright folks, time for another. We are going to run this through the middle of December, then have us a fun little Christmas contest to make use of the skills learned here. We are covering knife choice, and usage here. (It plays into the contest we have lined up for Christmas.)

So, let's get the ball rolling. Which knife do you choose for which job? What works, what doesn't? What knife can you use to do something that it shouldn't be able to do?

And how do you use it? Moose had a great thread on knife usage which I am again going to cannibalize and stick in here. Great skills, and great knowledge, and this info will make any usage of your knife a heck of a lot easier, and even more importantly, safer. See the following posts for Mooses' info. Also we can get some info in here about upkeep and maintenance. Sharpening. Etc...
 
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The weather here has been absolutely gorgeous, and I wanted to take advantage of it, with the little time I had to play this weekend. I been remiss in playing with my BK2, in light of several reviews of other blades I been doing.

Also seems like a rash of injuries lately, and since I will be instructing basic knife skills, safety and field expediant sharpening at the ESEE Woodland course, I wanted to brush up on some stuff. Most of this ya'll already know, but, hey, its teh interwebz, redundant info is what takes up space right? Plus, I wanted to use the timer on me camera, for some action photos.

Here we go:

My Favorite BK2. Been through alot with this fella.

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One of the victims of my BK2 goodness, and a future victim standing beside it.

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Just freshening up the stick, trimming it out. I always like to use a backstop when I chopping at wood.

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Basic cuts, that make up the chorus of basic woodland skills. Reverse cut and push cut. These are two of the most used cuts in knife handling. Using the thumb with the reverse cut, adds control and power.

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The push cut, is good for many, many things, from making fuzzies, to cutting down trees. Yes, cutting down trees.

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Chopping is a skill I use alot, mostly snap cuts on free hanging greenery, to heavy downward power chops for making big wood into small wood.
Always have a backtop when you are chopping. Dirt doesn't works most times and with an off strike, you just dinged your blade up real good. This is some wood from my burn pile, but any log or downed wood will work. Make a work area, and your backstop should be your work bench.

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Safety: Note my stabilizing hand is nowhere near the area where the blade will be contacting the wood, I'm kneeling far from the area of work, so if I fall short with my strike, the knife doesn't end up in my leg. Also not the lanyard on the knife and the lower grip, always make sur you got a good grip on the knife.

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Gawd, I love this knife. A true marvel and great Campanion for any trip. Buy Becker, its the quenchiest. LMAO

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Batonning wood is a skill that some argue is nothing more than knife abuse. I can see that, but I baton wood, and I consider it to be an invaluable skill in the woods.

Never try to chop or seat the knife in the wood. Fingers have been lost doing that. Simply place the blade on the wood, where you want to split to begin. Keep the knife in your weak hand, baton in the primary hand. Make sure you are striking the exposed part of the knife, parallel with the body, so you can see and aim at the exposed tip.

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Heavy strikes are sometimes needed, but not all the time. Make sure you feel comfortable with your knife and what it can do, this is where knives get broke. Becker were built for it. Buy Becker, its the batonniest.

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When splitting the same piece, repeatedly, learn to use the knife to pick up and set the next piece without setting the knife down. Alot of injuries occur when retrieving a placed knife, when your attention is elsewhere. Safest place is in your hands.

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Wood knots are a bear to beat through, and open your knife to breaking and you to injury. I try to head straight at them. See, this one split right through the knot. Buy Beckers, they're the knottiest.

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Back to the push cut. Learning to stabilize the wood, yourself, and the knife, means safe, efficient work. Using your body, and the natural terrain, to work to your advantage, is important. Spend time finding what works for you. Here, the basic idea, is I am pressing the wood into the backstop with my stomach, using my weak hand to add pressure towards the backstop and keep the stick from poking into me. Primary are straight, elbow locked, wrist locked, and I am moving from the waist and shoulder, to make the cuts.

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Head on view, weak hand supporting the wood, body adding pressure to keep the wood stabile, elbow and wrist locked straight.

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You don't have to be on both knees, but make sure you are stabile and comfortable. Here, in this manner, with my left knee raised, I can get more of my body weight behind each cut, allowing deeper, longer cuts.

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Draw knife technique is useful, but dangerous. The motion for drawing the knife towards you body, is putting the sharpened edge, headed toward you, with force behind it. If the blade slips or cuts through, and you are not prepared for it, well, it can get bad fast. A few things to consider first, is creating a safe, secure area to work in. Like here.

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By wedging the wood you want to draw off, between two trees, this allows you to have complete control of your body, and not haveing to use it to hold the wood. Wedge your work piece in between two trees or two branches, and beat it in nice and secure with your baton.

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Wedge it in tight

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Adding some natural cordage, para cord, or an under support, whatever it takes to make that wood more secure. Draw cuts require downward pressure and a pulling motion. If you wood is not supported, it will angle down, making this harder to do.

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Here is me trying to draw cut without support. The work piece is already starting to angle downward.

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Add a support stick under it. Use the natural V of a branch to act as a prop rod for the work piece.

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SO, now the blood and danger. Bare handed draw cuts, are dangerous. You don't get a good grip on the blade, and you have to kinda, be very cautious when holding onto the spin. If you get involved in the work and lose focus, you get cut.

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I done this on purpose, thats why its just a little poke in the hand. I did do it while draw cutting the work piece, but all I did was over grab the knife tip. If your knives are like mine, they are sharp and pointed and will rend flesh quick.

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Like all things, there is a simple fix. Pommel strike the tip of the knife into a piece of wood, and make a handle on the pointed end of the knife. Note, everyone likes the pommel extension, and this is a good time to use it.

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Now, we have our stabile work area, we have our safe knife, now all we have to do is focus on the task at hand. Draw cutting wood.

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In a very short time, you can make lots of shavings, and have your wood planed down to whatever you wanted it to be.

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Another good stron cut is the "Rower's cut" or Lat cut. You use the back muscles for the power. See this little knot,

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You can use a "hacking motion" to try to clear it, but it just kinda stays put,

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Or, you use the Lat cut, and clear it off flat, in one shot,

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You can use the thumb assist, or you can just do a "pulling motion", either way, its a very powerful cut.

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Scraping. Its handy when you are coming up with natural tinder for a fire, but it can be dangerous, if you don't do it right. Here, I am scraping with the blade perpendicular to the wood. The downside to this, is the knife blade want to roll in your hand.

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The better method, is to roll the blade edge up, and dig in. The blade stays secure, and you still get the scraping done.

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Part 1 done.

Moose

Good stuff there.
 
Now the fun part. YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.
These are pics I took of the WRONG way to work with wood and a knife. Always think "What will happen if......." Like here, What will happen if the wood splits?

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My flesh splits also. Use a backstop when drilling wood with a knife.

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What will happen if I mistrike?

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I lose my thumb. Or a finger. Or a thumb and a finger. Keep that stabilizing hand as far away as you can.

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Or just baton cut the wood. Works better, its faster, its safer. And its Ethan's prefered method of wood seperation.

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What happens if the wood lets go?

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NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ever cut towards yourself with a knife. It sounds like pretty common sense, but when you're tired, cold and trying to get something accomplished, the mind makes mistakes. Think about it like a gun, the edge of a knife is always loaded, never point it at yourself. Always away from you.

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Proper body placement and position is important. Get comfortable, get balanced, and make sure you are as far away from the "workbench" as you can be, and still work comfortably.

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Should your knife get stuck, while batonning, there is many ways to get it back, but you must think, "What will happen if ......."
Like this, what will happen if I push this knife downwards in an effort to free it?

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My wife will be opening my beers for the rest of my life. Ever hear of Johnny No Thumbs Fireworks? You get the point. Instead, stand up, and put your entire body weight into holding the wood still, and keeping all body parts clear, while you are rocking the knife out.

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Last thing. The Baton. Its a French word that means, "Last piec of wood on the fire". If you baton is not getting beat up, you're doing it wrong. Don't worry about the baton, its not a keeper, but it is very important tool in the woods.

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Thanks for watching,and I hope you enjoyed it. I know I did making it. :D I have a few skills I still need to work on, and brush the dust off, and I'll be getting to those a little later on. So, more to come.

Be safe, and have some fun. Use those knives, and most importantly, train that brain to ask THE question everytime you use a knife, "What will happen if......"

Thanks again. Moose

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And some more there. Kick in what you got folks. And keep in mind, the next contest will pull directly from this thread, and I'll even do you one better, it will also be applied to a later contest at some point in the new year.
 
Sharpness is an integral part of maintaining a good knife, and as we all should know, a sharper knife is a safer knife. Everything Moose showed in the previous posts would have been far more difficult with a dull knife. Personally, I like to convex my knives, and here are some links to some of the methods I use, as well as a thread on how to make a strop that has a lot of input from tons of people.

Convexing
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...tory-edge-to-convex-with-the-BK2-(and-others)

Stropping
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/971949-Sharpening?p=11063567#post11063567

Strop How To
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1120793-Make-a-strop-Part-1
 
Well this thread has gotten like no responses. Where you folks at?
 
The subject is awfully broad. Pick a question, I'll try to address it ;)
 
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Victorinox Huntsman -- the small blade is one of the best leatherworking knives I found until I discovered Warren woodcarving knives, (x-acto blades on steroids with REALLY comfortable handles) and the scissors work amazingly well for cutting zip-ties at work.

For me, first consideration on a knife is handle comfort followed by balance, shape, grind, and blade length. Heat treat is also important, but quality of that cannot be told on initial visual-tactile inspection, only by use and/or research.

I have a personal prejudice against serrations and hollow grinds -- and am quite aware that there is nothing wrong with a hollow ground knife if it has an appropriate heat treat.

I prefer drop points and spear points, straight clips to concave ones, and am generally not a fan of trailing points as they seem to be too mission specific. I also like sheepsfoot and modified wharncliffe blades.
I like stock in the 1/8-3/16" thickness for most things, full flat or high saber grinds - but am fine with a nice shallow convex if that's what is there.
Not a fan of big choils, understand the purpose of a Spanish notch, and gravitate towards blades in the 4" - 6" range as the most visually appealing.
 
^ +1. I would have to agree with your opinion on most all of this. I use my Huntsman weekly if not daily...mostly for the scissors. I keep that small blade as sharp as possible. It's great for my persistent hangnail maintenance needs as well as other daily fine blade tasks.
 
The subject is awfully broad. Pick a question, I'll try to address it ;)

I would like to see any pointers, tips, or suggestions for use of a regular knife (i.e. not a knife specifically made for carving or the like) to make it easier, safer, and/or more productive, easier, etc...

How would you use a BK9 to carve a snowflake for instance? A BK13 to take down a tree, things like that.
 
Well this thread has gotten like no responses. Where you folks at?
I'm looking and reading and trying to learn, not posting out of my sphincter about stuff I know very little about. The pic sequence with Moose is really good, and seems pretty complete.
 
I would like to see any pointers, tips, or suggestions for use of a regular knife (i.e. not a knife specifically made for carving or the like) to make it easier, safer, and/or more productive, easier, etc...

How would you use a BK9 to carve a snowflake for instance? A BK13 to take down a tree, things like that.

a) hold the BK9 very close to the tip in a pinch grip with the spine in the palm of my hand. Use small, slicing motions to make long Vee-shaped cuts, then scrape the blade down the length to smooth the whittled surfaces after I had the shape I wanted.

b) clear the bark from the area I'm going to cut through. use a baton to hammer the remora point first into the tree until the entire blade is encased in wood, then wiggle it back and forth until I could pull it out of the tree. move 60-90 degrees around the trunk and repeat until I had gone at least 3/4 of the way around the tree, then snap the trunk off. Should work fine on saplings up to 3" in diameter, maybe 3.5" if they're something relatively brittle like willow, cottonwood, or cedar.
 
I think the 9 could be used as a cricket bat :D. Honestly though, I'd feel embarrased trying to come up with something after Moose's post. That's just a really good post and I don't think I'm able to contribute to it any further.
 
How would you use a BK9 to carve a snowflake for instance? A BK13 to take down a tree, things like that.

I'd much rather use the 13 for the snowflake, and the 9 for taking down the tree ;)

Let's discuss when and why to use Large, Medium or Small knives. For the sake of clarity, I'll define them as follows:

Small - blade 4" or less
Medium - blade 4.5"-8"
Large - blade 8" or greater

SMALL
Generally speaking, I find myself using small blades much more often than any other, and most of the knife-using public does as well. They're just so darn handy... lightweight, easy to carry, and agile in the hand. You can lay your forefinger right down the spine for precise work, and it feels like you just have a very sharp finger. They don't attract a lot of attention, and
in most places in the USA (please consult your local laws/regulations/policies), knives with blades 4" or less are legal to carry as long as they're not concealed or double-edged.

Small knives don't get in the way when cleaning fish and game, doing most food-prep or whittling.

They don't chop very well, obviously - they simply don't have the length to generate good leverage and tip-speed. But by utilizing efficient snap-cuts you can clear the twigs and small branches off a limb quite quickly. A well-construct small fixed blade can also handle much larger jobs than we might think. With a bit of care you can baton a small knife either across-grain or along the grain to process wood. A client recently asked me for tips on batonning with a small-medium knife, and I simply said, "Don't try to baton a section that's wider than the blade is long. It'll get stuck :D"

For instance, if you need to split down a 6" diameter chunk of log into kindling with a 4" blade, there's no need to go straight across the middle. Just work around the perimeter, turning a circle into a stop sign... then work on those "corners" and so forth. Same goes for cutting thick wood to length - just cut around the circumference until you have a notch all the way around and the core is small enough to break.

It's my firm belief that everyone should have at least one good 3.5-4" fixed- blade knife. They're just so handy and useful that I would hate to ever be without one.

MEDIUM
Mid-size knives are a bit trickier, but still extremely popular. While they aren't quite as handy as small knives, and certainly not as powerful as large ones, they do offer a great deal of versatility. This is especially important to many survivalists, outdoorspeople, and other folks who prefer to carry one do-it-all cutting implement on their person, and perhaps leave more cumbersome tools like axes and saws in their vehicle or at the cabin or campsite.

I find that 5-7" blades are a tiny bit cumbersome for tasks like making a sandwich or letting the insides out of a fish. But they certainly work! Likewise, they don't have the power of a large blade, but they offer increased reach and leverage for rougher jobs like wood processing or clearing brush. Medium knives do heavy work better than small knives, and light work better than large knives.

Medium knives are still quite comfortable for most people to carry. Some folks like "dangler" style sheaths for medium knives, so the knife can pivot out of the way when they sit down.

LARGE
When you need to do some serious chopping or slashing, there's really no substitute for a large blade. You just don't get the leverage and tip speed required for real efficiency with blades less than 8". 9" is much better and a 10" or 11" blade can be remarkably powerful - sometimes out-performing much heavier hatchets and axes.

Big knives do not have to be cumbersome or heavy! With smart design and attention paid to balance, a 9" or 10" blade can be impressively nimble - far more so than any hatchet or axe. Tapered blades and tangs really become important on big knives, removing a good deal of weight and more importantly, improving balance. A big knife that's balanced too far forward quickly becomes tiresome to use, while one that's balanced properly is easier to control, much more comfortable over long periods, and makes up for any loss of inertia/power with greater speed.

With a little forethought and good sheath design, even a small person can comfortably carry a big knife. Danglers are a popular choice again, and some folks simply carry them the way people have for centuries - tucked inside their belt instead of hanging from it.

The big knife may be the true Queen of the ChessBoard when it comes to across-the-board versatility. As has often been said, "a big knife can do anything a small one can do (although not quite as nicely), and can do things small and medium knives are much less suited for".

I like, own and use knives in all three basic sizes. I carry a 4" SideKick pretty much constantly, and when heading out to the yard or woods I add a large knife for more strenuous work. But I also restrict myself to only a medium knife sometimes, because they're fun and useful, too :)
 
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a) hold the BK9 very close to the tip in a pinch grip with the spine in the palm of my hand.

Right on! The pinch grip is vastly under-used and under-taught, and a fantastic way to make any knife more versatile for precise work :thumbup:
 
Right on! The pinch grip is vastly under-used and under-taught, and a fantastic way to make any knife more versatile for precise work :thumbup:
I used this very grip for my entry into azwelke's Thanksgiving GAW. I was thinking a lanyard that would hold the knife against your forearm might be helpful. Has anyone tried that?
 
I used this very grip for my entry into azwelke's Thanksgiving GAW. I was thinking a lanyard that would hold the knife against your forearm might be helpful. Has anyone tried that?

That is something I do when I have to use a big knife for a fine task. It really helps make the knife more controllable and lessens the hand fatigue by supporting the weight so your hand doesn't have too. Just another reason to have an adjustable lanyard.

Jeremy
 
Hard to beat the initial posting - well done, Moose. I sure enjoyed reading about some of these techniques that I hadn't yet considered/seen.
 
How would you use a BK9 to carve a snowflake for instance? A BK13 to take down a tree, things like that.

For smaller trees (if its small enough to bend, its small enough to work) just bend the tree over and push cut down towards the ground at the point the bend is most accentuated.

You'll be surprised at how fast the wood just pops apart under pressure like that.

A pocket knife can be a powerful tool ;)

Obviously the smaller the tree, the lower towards the ground it can bent and so on..
 
I've been fussing over this topic since the last beckerwest - I guess I'll put my thoughts here.

The BK11 is the knife I always go to. I feel as if it is the best tool I have to make a fire in the Pacific Northwest. I choose this knife for just about everything, but I'll talk about fire a little.

When I am starting a fire in the Pacific Northwest in most of the time there is ample amounts of fuel laying around. We have a lot of trees and brush. This means that I do not need to cut anything down, all fuel for a campfire is simply laying around. (large fires to bonfires may need larger fuel, but I'm going to talk about personal sized fires) I can gather tinder, kindling, and larger fuel simply by walking around and picking it up. When I go to set up my fire - the most I am going to need my knife for is making feather sticks and preparing my pitch wood tinder. That's where my trusty BK11 comes in. I can make feather sticks no problem with it. The spine is squared on my 11, so I use this to make a fine dust scraping of pitchwood sap, and then make a few curls with the blade. Strike it with my firesteel, and ta da! Fire.

I tried to do this process at Beckerwest with a BK10, and failed hard. I don't consider myself a small lady, or a weak lady, my hands are quite large, and fit the larger becker handles okay, but I don't feel like the larger beckers are the best for fine tasks in the woods comparatively to a tweener, or in my case a BK11. The knife for me was too cumbersome, and I just couldn't manipulate the knife as easily as I was used to. I think the reason why the 10, or the 2, or the 4 are not default knives for me, is because my favorite thing - making fire - does not require chopping, batoning, or any large amount of wood processing, because of the environment that I live in. So my go to knife - or my knife of choice for bushcrafting, primarily firemaking, is the BK11.

That being said - the BK9 is really great, If I need to do larger tasks like building shelters and such, it's pretty neat. One time I made a debris shelter of ferns, which I used a bk9 like a machete to gather for like 2 or 3 hours. It was epic. I also like to chop down trees. But that's more a satisfying thing to me - not an essential bushcrafting skill like firemaking is.
 
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