Beckers Vs other Kabars

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Hey guys, so looking around, I've come across a few posts showing broken Kabars, heavy bowies, fighting knives etc...and undoubtedly the accompanying tagline of "Would never happen to my Becker."

Got me to thinking, what is it about a Becker knife that would make it any stronger, hold an edge better, or be more durable than any other similar-steel, kabar-made knife? Are they made to a higher standard, different factory, different heat-treat/steel combo? Or is it just the great design that keeps them trucking on when others shatter and break?

Not trying to start any controversy, but seeing the story about a Kabar Heavy Bowie that shattered while battonning made me wonder if the same could happen to my BK7...who am I kidding, ofcourse it couldnt...but I don't know why.
 
Many times a knife breaks while batonning because of a knot, regardless of the brand.
 
Any knife can break, that's just a fact. But its less likely with a thicker more stout blade with a stronger grind. a fighting knife is a thinner blade with (correct me if im wrong) a hollow grind. Since a hollow grind has way less steel behind the edge than a saber or v grind there's a better chance of breaking it on heavier chores. Every knife has a task. A fighting knife is just that while a camping knife is also what it says. Becker are tough use tools, not saying that kabars aren't because they certainly hole their own, but if a knife is used above and beyond its intended use threshold, there's a better chance of breaking.
 
I checked out this thread and it seems that the ka-bars break mostly in two particular places: 1-wherever there is a transition in the design (from thick to thin like in the handle) and 2-where energy concentrates when batoning or twisting/turning the knife (tip and handle).
Since the beckers are one solid piece and the design is symetrical with few changing points it is much less likely to break in the same way as the ka-bars. Furthermore, the beckers do not seem to have a particular point where energy concentrates when batoning, twisting and turning, so the energy of whatever motion you place on the knife will disperse better throughout the blade, avoiding a break. I also think that the thickness combined with the design is what make them so sturdy.
 
Apples and Oranges comparison, really.

I do want to expound a little. Yes, 1095CV steel is present in both Kabar and BKT knives. Yes, heat treat is pretty much a standard for the 1095CV leaving Orlean. No, the knives are not alike in any manner. I'll focus on just the USA made knives, not that there is anything wrong with Kabars imports, but lets just compare the knvies made in the USA.

BKT's are overbuilt. In thickness, lenght, and width. They are designed to be used HARDER than most knives are. What does that mean? That when Ethan sat down, he had someone like me in mind, when users come to mind. Typically, I don't over abuse my knives, but most of the time, if I need something done, I don't mind sacrificing a blade to the gods. Perfect example,

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That's a Kabar 1217, that I bought in 2003. It spent many a day on my hip in the Smokies, and many other places. I finally retired it to the wood stove in winter of 2008. Now, my wood knives, are there to split seasoned hardwood so they will fit in my stove. I use an axe out back to take huge to big, and my knives to take big to small. Its an age old art. Anyhoo, that Kabar in the pic, done wood stove duty for 3 seasons, splitting enough wood to literally fill a dump truck. 3 ricks a season, 3 seasons, 9 ricks of wood= dump truck load, seriously.

So, would you say that Kabar knife "failed"? No, wanna know why? Its a fighting knife. Thin stock, well ground, and desinged to be a combat/utility knife for soldiers, oh, I'll say, 80 years ago. Technology has advanced quite a bit, but for some reason, well made designs stick around. 1911, Kabar, M2 machine gun, you know, stuff like that.

Not to say, the 1217 (or brethren) don't do well as a woods knife (hence the Utility in the name) its quite the contrary. The thinner stock makes a damn fine cutter, the clip point works well for "splinter picking" or small stuff, the leather handle is tough as rhino ass cheeks, and you can bop in tent stakes with the pommel, I don't recommend it, but it can be done. (don't stab yourself in the eye)

So, lets look at the Kabar 1217 and the BK7, they were meant to be combatants, but on a different field. The 1217 has a 90 degree cut, where the tang changes width. BK7 doesn't. The 1217 is thinner stock, but has a fuller to augment the weight, so it lighter, and faster in the hand. That's what you want in a fighting knife. The BK7 has a small pommel extension, for headache making, the 1217 has a flat 1/4" steel plate, good for headaches, and pounding (keep the sheath on if you do this).

So, which is a better knife? Neither, they are just different, that's all. Which one would I take? Tough call, I have both, use both, and love each one.

I will say this, my uncle put a 1217 in my hand over 25yrs ago, following the words, "you're gonna need a good knife". So, if there was one knife that ever brought me into the knife community, it was the Kabar 1217 Korean Era Fighting/Utility Knife. Yar.

Moose
 
I was batoning a new Warthog and it developed blade play. Yes, blade play, on a fixed blade. I kept batoning and now the blade wobbles from side to side. I did nothing with it that my Beckers have not already done x10.
 
i agree with moose. the 1217 kabar is a good knife, maybe not suited to be beat on like a becker, but it has its place. i have both and like both.
 
Moose, great post. That's exactly the type of info I was wondering about. Ever since I started using my dad's old kabar that he carried as an ERT entry-team captain early in his police career, I knew that these knives were a step above any of the Canadian-Tire blades I had as a kid. Unfortunately that Kabar was given to the woods about 15 years ago, I finally got my hands on a BK7, and felt the same level of bomb-proof quality. I'm sure I'll be picking up a 7" fighter in the future, but when it comes to beating the hell out of something, I'll pack my Beckers.
 
Moose, great post. That's exactly the type of info I was wondering about. Ever since I started using my dad's old kabar that he carried as an ERT entry-team captain early in his police career, I knew that these knives were a step above any of the Canadian-Tire blades I had as a kid. Unfortunately that Kabar was given to the woods about 15 years ago, I finally got my hands on a BK7, and felt the same level of bomb-proof quality. I'm sure I'll be picking up a 7" fighter in the future, but when it comes to beating the hell out of something, I'll pack my Beckers.

Both are my most used knives. I am a little more cautious with my Ka Bar than my becker, but I trust my hand with the Ka Bar more for finer stuff like wood carving and food prep. They actually compliment each other very well.
 
Both are my most used knives. I am a little more cautious with my Ka Bar than my becker, but I trust my hand with the Ka Bar more for finer stuff like wood carving and food prep. They actually compliment each other very well.

Over 70yrs of service with United States Marine Corps. It can take, I can attest to that.


Moose
 
I think it is funny that a dude with a pot reference for a name has a cop for a dad. Nice. :)

Alcohol is poisonous. But for as long as you've been alive you have never heard of a guy who has died from Marijuana. Everything in moderation though.
 
Actually 240 is a reference to the Nissan 240SX, one of my all time favorite cars, an one that I've owned in many incarnations. I think 420 is what you're thinking of...duuude.
 
I know they are different, but sorry, i think the Becker line is better designed all the way around. I think it is time to step up what we issue our troops that are put in harms way. I think a Becker would be a step up for sure. The 7 comes to my mind. Would someones life be worth $20 more than what the current issue costs ? I'd say, you betcha.
 
right on brotha. I had 3 of em, an 89 and two 91's. Great cars, great community. I plan to pick one up one day, throw in the garage for a year, play on it in the evenings and weekends, and eventually race the Newfoundland Targa in it... dreams lol.
 
Let's not forget one major difference in construction between Ka-Bar and Beckers is the full tang design.
The Beckers have a very strong, full (contoured) tang (visible all around between the handle scales), the Ka-Bars have a much thinner, hidden "full tang".
This difference in construction/design alone can explain the characteristic performance.
 
Exactly, which is why our troops should be carrying the better blade. As a former soldier myself, i think our troops deserve a better blade, for not much more $$. It's Made in America as well, just not the sheath. A better sheath would be in order as well. This is all just my opinion, YOMV.
 
Exactly, which is why our troops should be carrying the better blade. As a former soldier myself, i think our troops deserve a better blade, for not much more $$. It's Made in America as well, just not the sheath. A better sheath would be in order as well. This is all just my opinion, YOMV.

Admittedly I am from another country.
But if I was going into combat I likely wouldn't carry my 7. Out of my knives right now my Ka Bar is probably the one I would carry. Maybe an ESEE depending on which branch. Although I don't really know how it is and if I heard my troops wanted better knives I'd pay to give it to them.
Anyone currently serving right now?
I'd like to hear 2 cents from someone with boots on the ground.
 
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