Benchmade 551BK-101 Gold Class Griptilian

cuscadi scales are great. wilkins grip are too square looking for me. cuscadi's are custom work, you can request whatever you want. they also are cheaper (without shipping to us though). i've heard that the inner machining isn't as tight as what kevin "god of the cnc" wilkins does but still completely fonctional with no play nor visible gaps once assembled.

thanks for the review, i'll check it.
 
cuscadi scales are great. wilkins grip are too square looking for me. cuscadi's are custom work, you can request whatever you want. they also are cheaper (without shipping to us though). i've heard that the inner machining isn't as tight as what kevin "god of the cnc" wilkins does but still completely fonctional with no play nor visible gaps once assembled.

thanks for the review, i'll check it.
I wanted something less square than KW which was what lead me on my search.

I will say that the price I was quoted shipped to the USA was still cheaper, and very reasonable for a truly custom product.

(Not a knock at KW at all. They both have a place in the market, IMHO)
 
(Not a knock at KW at all. They both have a place in the market, IMHO)

sure ! kevin wilkins does great work with his scales. i doubt he needs our approval to know so. it's all about personal preference, his design doesn't catch my eyes.
 
sure ! kevin wilkins does great work with his scales. i doubt he needs our approval to know so. it's all about personal preference, his design doesn't catch my eyes.
Yep, I like a smooth "underbelly" on my knives. More comfortable for some tasks...
 
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This knife is really hitting it outta the park for me. The steel just keeps on keepin' on. The handle is perfect. The weight is perfect. What a great knife!
 
I have to agree - I picked one of these up last week ($260ish) and found a used Ritter M4 DLC blade to swap with it. The contoured plastic handle on the regular grip feels and sounds cheap (at least to me), but the same handle in carbon fiber is perfect. Add in the plated hardware and a custom backspacer and it looks fantastic. With the DLC coated M4 blade, I feel like I can really use the heck out of this without any loss in how it looks.

I just noticed last night that the DLC coating on the spine of the blade has a wavy lined pattern (or maybe that's just the machining under the coating) but it makes it look like the blade is carbon fiber when the knife is closed. The wavy lines on the blade look perfect against the lines of carbon on the edge of the scales.

I resisted getting this one a long time but it's rapidly becoming my favorite knife!
 
It does look like an amazing knife but why use a black coating on the blade, wouldn't a stone finish or non coated version be better? This black coating with look terrible 15 years from now, all scratched and messed up. When I buy a gold class I pay that kind of money to get a very durable knife that will look perfect and feel perfect through my life. To me gold class is synonymous to heirlooms pieces... they have to look perfect all the time, coating will just not cut it for me :(.
 
agreed, i usually damage the coating of my users the first week of use. no big deal for a user, pretty lousy for a "gold class" rated knife.

DLC is more durable, my millie is one year old and i've yet to scratch it. even brand new i have to say that the coating of the ritter m4 is waaay classier than the matte, grainy coating on the gold class. it just needs a bit more polishing under it and it'd look perfect.
 
agreed, i usually damage the coating of my users the first week of use. no big deal for a user, pretty lousy for a "gold class" rated knife.

DLC is more durable, my millie is one year old and i've yet to scratch it. even brand new i have to say that the coating of the ritter m4 is waaay classier than the matte, grainy coating on the gold class. it just needs a bit more polishing under it and it'd look perfect.

Exactly my point, was in the market for a new gold class, got a 710-101 and its perfect. Now was trying to find a second gold class to buy, this griptilian looked fine, but had to take it out of the list because of the coating :(. They should give a few more finish options like strider does.
 
It does look like an amazing knife but why use a black coating on the blade, wouldn't a stone finish or non coated version be better? This black coating with look terrible 15 years from now, all scratched and messed up. When I buy a gold class I pay that kind of money to get a very durable knife that will look perfect and feel perfect through my life. To me gold class is synonymous to heirlooms pieces... they have to look perfect all the time, coating will just not cut it for me :(.

I just got my 550BK-101 a couple days ago. My first pass thoughts:

Compared to the plastic handled Griptilians, which are quite ergonomic, these carbon fiber handles just exude cool and quality and are much stiffer laterally than the plastic-ey Valox or whatever.

At about $265 delivered, this knife is IMO overpriced by about $100 compared to a custom knife. I know Carbon Fiber is expensive, and the machining they do to turn out the cool faceted visuals and the improved grip (vs. flat/smooth) is another manufacturing step... yet still, it's pricey for what is still a production knife, even if this is a low quantity run (250? ... mine is #44... whoo hoo).

I consider this a "user"... and indeed, to get CPM M4, for whatever reason Benchmade feels like they need to give it a black coating. I assume this is because so many goofballs would get rust specs on M4 and send in for a warranty claim. The current black coating is rough compared with Benchmade's smooth teflon-feeling coatings of a few years ago. And it WILL look crappy soon enough if you actually use this knife, that's the nature of the typical black coating game... YMMV, but this is in user class for me personally. I mean, why else have a blade of CPM M4 unless you are going to benefit from using this fine cutting steel?? No reason for CPM-M4 on a show piece. Might as well have a 440 series or CPM154.

My knife arrived needing some break-in. It is rough feeling and "slow" on opening despite the bronze pivot washers. I haven't broken it apart yet to see what's going on, but if the blade has the rough black coating on blade next to pivot washers, that'll solve one mystery... and a bit of judicious sanding will solve permanently, along with a bit of CRK's fluorinated grease.

The axis lock is running a bit rough in it's channel, and again, I'm sure I can clean up the action, but shouldn't have to if they want $250 (street price) for this "Gold" class production knife. Spending more than this on a "Benchmade" (e.g. the $400 to $800 damascus stuff) is not logical to my brain, considering what I can get from higher-end production houses (CRK) or a true custom maker.

Overall, this knife is a keeper, and feels in-hand like a really big upgrade from the plastic handled Griptilian, a major transformation, yet it remains a user in my book, and is overpriced.

I'd definitely be interested in a run of S30V or even D2 with G10 scales.

To paraphase Punch: "Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances."

I took my chance... and I think I can clean it enough to make it a keeper, albeit at a price.
 
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Ok, 4 hours later, Houston local fireworks display and all... courtesy of Shell and various other sponsors...

I broke the beast apart... then...

I flat-sanded the pivot area of blade on both sides, and flat-sanded the bronze-copper (?) spacer/washers, and then reassembled the whole bee-yotch (I've got Dave Chapelle paused on the DVD ... pardon my "street").

Much smoother. Got rid of the gritty feeling when opening the blade.

But... what made as much difference was lightening up the pivot screw tension (duh).

To paraphrase Chris Reeve, Loc-Tite is an accepted engineering method of firmly "locking" screws into a particular place, while still leaving them easy to break if you put a tad of torque to them. Once you find the right spot for a pivot, which is necessary with some folders, e.g. the carbon fiber Griptilian beast and Emersons from experience... when you get the balance between smooth-opening yet not laterally wobbly, loc-tite that bee-yotch into place.

Now, all of this shouldn't be necessary, but it's not a big deal. When you buy a custom knife, it typically doesn't require "tuning" as per above. That's part of the reason I say this knife is overpriced. I don't find these mods particularly difficult, but Joe Blow might. YMMV.
 
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It does look like an amazing knife but why use a black coating on the blade, wouldn't a stone finish or non coated version be better? This black coating with look terrible 15 years from now, all scratched and messed up. When I buy a gold class I pay that kind of money to get a very durable knife that will look perfect and feel perfect through my life. To me gold class is synonymous to heirlooms pieces... they have to look perfect all the time, coating will just not cut it for me :(.

Would you rather have scratched coating or rust? Take your pick. CPM-M4 is a tool steel not a stainless steel, so it will rust quite easily.

I actually like the look the of coated blade that has seen a lot of use. In my experience there are two stages when Benchmade's coating looks really good. When the knife is new and when the knife has seen a lot of use.
 
Would you rather have scratched coating or rust? Take your pick. CPM-M4 is a tool steel not a stainless steel, so it will rust quite easily.

I actually like the look the of coated blade that has seen a lot of use. In my experience there are two stages when Benchmade's coating looks really good. When the knife is new and when the knife has seen a lot of use.

Yeah, fair point on the used Benchmade black finish look...
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Can you tell which one is M2? (sorry for small pic... learning the ropes w/ FLICKR)

I haven't really had any rust problems with M2. I just treat the knives like I would, say, garden snippers or an axe or machete... clean it off when done using, and shoot it with WD-40 for garden tools, and something e.g. Tuf-Cloth for folders. The times I have gotten my M2 knife soaked in sweat all day, there were some light specs of rust... but they yielded quickly to a scotchbrite pad. But same problem with D2 really.

I'd rather have M2 or CPM M4 without a coating... but can live with them either way as I treat them as users, not safe queens.
 
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Really? $150?

Can you think of another $150 knife with a M4 blade, thick solid carbon fiber grips that's made in America? Or anywhere?

Thanks for reminding me. There is Spyderco Gayle Bradley that's exactly that (Carbon Fiber, CPM M4 Steel) and it goes for around 120$. Also it looks fantastic!!! In mine opinion much better than Benchmade. There are videos on youtube and all are impressed with the knife.

Here is the link for pre-order:
http://www.katerno.com/detail.php?s=175222
 
Pre-order? It's been out since December :p

They are a bit difficult to find. In most place they are out of stock which indicates they sell very well.
I've checked on my favorite on-line knife retailer (knifeworks.com) and it's out of stock for more than a month.
 
There is one down the road from me in the display case.

They do lay away .......... it's killing me ............ ;)
 
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