Benchmade 800/806 substitute needed

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timmberman

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This is a multiple question thread. Thanks in advance for any input.

#1. I been looking for a benchmade 800 or 806 AFCK. I called a number of knife dealers and they seem to be unavailable. This knife was recommended to me, as a great SD folder. I have never handled these knives.

#2. I brought a spyderco endura with the wave two days ago and I was impressed with the light weight. Bought the wave and the trainer for $112 delivered.

#3. Need a knife that is light weight, about 4 inches, easy deployment. Is the spyderco endura wave as good as it gets?

#4 What do you recommend? Your inputs would be welcomed.


Timber Man
 
AFCK has been discontinued quite a time ago. You can't get any (new) from dealers.

Their price on second hand market went up.

#3 - Spyderco Military (or better Sprint run CF BG-42 Military) is really great knife
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BM 710 D2 is a good choice. ~4" blade 4.5, ounces, axis lock rocks,
G10 grips.
good EDC. Strong blade and tip for SD.
 
Spyderco D'Allara Drop Point might be a little shorter than what you want, but it flicks open amazingly fast and has great blade.
 
I really miss my AFCK (long story) and wish that i could get a new one but they really have gone up in price since leaving production. I have to say that i just got a CF BG42 Military and am very impressed with it. Honestly other than missing the axis lock, which I really miss, I think that it is lighter and with the embeddded liners stronger than the AFCK was. The blade is phenomenal although I do worry a little about the needle tip. It really is the next best or possibly the better thing.
 
I advised Timmberman on the AFCK. I knew they were not in production but had no idea they were so sought after. Maybe Benchmade should make them again....

Being for SD I am anti AXIS lock since when drawing a cut the thumb easily pulls back on the lock and you can lop your digits off. I would love to see the AFCK done with a lock back but for my purposes trust the liner lock.

Thanks a lot guys, now I have to order a military and had been able to control myself until this point.
 
A big Emerson with the Wave would be awesome. But I think the best SD bet would be a new Spyderco Chinook with the zip-tie wave.
 
Yes I do love my AFCK 806D2. The balance and the total geometry. The closest thing to it is actually the Al Mar Shrike. No axis lock, No D2 or smooth as velvet bearings but in every way a very respectable kissing cousin to the venerable 806D2. FYI. I stuck my 806D2 in the safe when it was discontinued and have since been carrying a SOG Twitch XL in TiNi. I love it even more than my BM because the flipper is so much easier ( and safer ) to deploy. For 90% of what I was doing with the BM, the Twitch XL gets the job done at much less than half the price. I think if SOG beefed up the Twitch a tad and made it .75" longer blade- no one would pine over the 806 any more.
 
I would definately recommend a EKI CQC-8. Same size and feels great if not better than the AFCK in hand. And it has the wave! :thumbup:
 
There's a NIB BM 806D2 at the Sportsman's Warehouse in Aurora, CO. I saw one there last week. $145.00 on the box.
 
First. Thanks for all who contributed to this thread and those who e-mailed me.

Here what was recommended and what has been considered.
MOD mark 1
Spyderco police
Spyderco military BG-42
Emerson 8
Emerson 11
Emerson 14
Benchmade 710
Microtech manual Socom Elite.
Others were recommended and researched.

There were people who mailed me with 800's and 806 who wanted me to make and offer or what did I have to trade. I thank them for their offers.

The finalists were the Microtech---I never had a MT and thought it looked cool. A number of knife dealers said to consider the Military before the MT, some dealers who were MT dealers were strong proponents of the Spyderco military BG-42. It seems this knife is in a different level than the plain military.

I still liked the Socom Elite. Not very logical, just thought it looked interesting. Then I read a lot of major complaints about MT service or complete lack of service. That alone made my decision not to get a MT. It really was not the extra money.

When Mercop said he approved of the Military BG-42 I felt my decison was solid. It is nice to have experts who are a lot more knowledgable giving advice and counsel. How many people have thought about an axis knife folding up on you in a stress condition. The odds are slim, but take a chance with playing with the odds when you do not have too.

The military Bg-42 opens fast, 4 inch blade, reviews seem to like this model which cost a chunk more than the regular military. What I liked was the size of the hole 9/16 or 14mm for the rest of the world, who do not belong to the B.U.B. (bub group). I liked the weight which is 4.2 oz or 120g.

A lot of the other knives are and were much heavier. Weight was important to me. If if felt like a boat anchor, I probably would not carry it or it would be in a belt case which would defeat the SD application.

The Spyderco Military BG-42 is on order from New Graham knives from Bluefield Va. the price was $159. plus freight.

Note:
New Graham was $30.00 cheaper than the rest of the knife dealers whom I called.

Again thanks for all the inputs.

Timber Man

PS. Because of this forums help I will send them money to become a member.
 
Just wanted to say that while attending Bowies on the Beach I had the privilege to train with Timber Man, I hope that when I am his age I feel like getting out o bed much less training. You sir are good to go in my book. Enjoy your toys. Hope to see you in March.
 
You made an excellent decision, Timber Man. The Military is a knife that does exceedingly well in every pocket knife scenario I've ever encountered, and one of the meanest cutting and penetrating blades I've ever owned to boot.

The BG-42 alone makes the knife worth it. I've been very impressed with the steel.

I'm happy to see a thread go so well.
 
I've never cared much for the Military because of what I considered was a flimsy locking liner. But I have never heard of one folding unintentionally, and in fact all I've heard and read point towards the Military as being a most excellent knife. The carbon fiber/BG 42 model looks as sweet as anything I've seen. With the overstock New Graham has (78) I might just pick one of these up when Uncle sends me back my money. If nothing else, it may grow in value as the years pass. I would say Timberman, that you gone and done good!!!:thumbup:
 
Good choice for steel and build though I've always been terrified of liner locks. the only one that passes my critical eye is the odd ball hidden release liner lock on the Gerber Hinderer Rescue knife.
 
I got my Spyderco military bg-42 from New Graham. Delivered promptly and that cost me with freight $160. (I am going to round up costs). Then looked at the knife. It has a very nice sticky handle. Last weekend a student of Dwight McLemore compared his military to mine. He agreed it was a better/sticky handle.

What confounded me was that the military is clip only in the right hand point down. I have a Spyderco endura 4 which has clip positions in 4 places. Now I looking at a knife 4 times more expensive and a one position clip only. Somehow I just assumed the clip could be moved. WRONG.

Return the knife to the dealer or modify the knife? What to do?

I sent the knife to STR who is mentioned on this forum. Mail the knife to STR and thats $8.00 and $40.00 to STR for a beautiful titanium light brown low rider clip. Mr. Steve Rice gives you a choice of colors. Great Service.

So the final cost of this knife is $ 208.00 delivered,sent,modified,returned.

Thoughts-----It is my feeling that the Military is a nicer knife than a Endura 4 with a wave. That said I feel for SD only, that an endura 4 with a speed dialer sheath on a Merc-harness and an endura 4 with a speed dialer IWB sheath for a tad less money and better than one military knife.

That said, I am happy with my Spyderco Military with a ziplok wave tie.

I am very pleased with New Graham knives and STR http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif


Regards,

Timber Man
 
Hi Timmberman,

Thanx much for the support.

Sorry 'bout the one postion clip on the Mili, we'll make sure to figure out a way to do a 4 way on the next revision (in the works). I'm sure "STR" will do you right.

If the issue is primarily SD, be sure to look at the P'kal when it comes out (soon).

sal

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mercop said:

Being for SD I am anti AXIS lock since when drawing a cut the thumb easily pulls back on the lock and you can lop your digits off.
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Can you elaborate or maybe post some pictures?
I don't see how this is even possible.
 
For SD, the Axis mechanism can be defeated. There are many factors that come into play. One is the grip which holds the folder. The thumb can be the culprit. Another is dynamics involved. There are too many unpredictable factors that may come into play. As for the AFCK, I' ll stick with my liner lock model (with a non factory recessed locking liner) - one of my perennial favorites. I don' t like the Military (liner lock version) for SD either. The forefinger, especally meaty ones can easily compromise lockup by unintentionally moving the locking liner whilst in a twisting and/ or extracting motion. Just try it on a makeshift dummy. And you' ll see. The large scallopped out area to allow for easy depression of the liner leaves much of the liner exposed. Also a no- no for SD. For utility, it is as good a folder as any.

Sorry allenC, I don' t have any pics of lopped off fingers either! :) :D

Sal, still waiting for the Pikal... :)


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