BENCHMADE Model 145 Nimrawus Cub in M-2 tool steel

Nov 25, 1999
<center><font size=4>BENCHMADE Model 145 Nimrawus Cub in M-2 tool steel</font></center>
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I know that some men do not rely on any kind of locking device claiming that the strongest and the most reliable folder is... a full tang fixed blade. This could be the main reason of some kind of small fixed blade's renaissance what we can observe recently as parallel to obsessive searching for more and more and even more strong and reliable locking devices.
Why no? The small knife with about 80-95 mm long fixed blade and about 180-200 mm overall length could be pretty sensible alternative for tactical folder. It is far stronger and more reliable than each kind of folder. It is faster and easier to use, especially in high stress situation. It requires less maintenance. It has better blade to handle ratio because the handle does not need to accommodate the blade. Generally it is more comfortably to handle for the same reason.
Probably I could found some advantages more but this would be only one side of coin. Does small fixed blade have disadvantages in comparison to tactical folder with suitable blade length? The first and foremost disadvantage (for me at least) is some kind of sensation what I usually caused in urban environment drawing fixed blade for peaceful purposes (pack opening for ex.). Wow, you probably are frequently visiting folk parties - this is the least what I listened in this situation. I do not know what exactly was mentioned as folk party: discotheque or maybe football match? I'm never visiting one or another... Another disadvantage like difficulty to conceal fixed blade is not essential for me. I'm medium sized man without noticeable fat reserves in waist area, so far. For many years I'm daily going armed with Glock 19 handgun, formerly it was Browning HP - small fixed blade knife doesn't take much more place than the spare magazine.
Does small fixed blade have some disadvantages more? Maybe, but I have no idea what it should be this moment.

<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=right SRC="" border="2"></a>Well, you can not go wrong with BNCHMADE Model 145 Nimravus Cub if small fixed blade for urban concealed carry is required. Here (right) it is in company of some other my benchmades. Being highly satisfied with performance of my full sized Nimravus (in ATS-34) for outdoors use I have chose smaller knife with M-2 tool-steel blade simply to make some comparison.

<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=left SRC="" border="2"></a>The blade is shaped somewhere between drop point and tanto without pronounced secondary point. The false edge on the &#189; of blade length improves knife balance and makes the blade more penetrative but doesn't reach the point making it stronger. The point placed directly on the thrusting line provides powerful thrusting without any undesirable side effects. After some training it is easy to hit required area on the target with full power thrust. Although catalogued blade length is 93 mm the blade is really slightly shorter than for ex. Pinnacle's blade catalogued as 92 mm long. As I specified previously my Nimravus Cub has M2 high-speed tool steel blade hardened to 60-62 HRC. BT2 coating makes this blade non-glare and far more corrosion resistant comparing with non-coated blades. This is not the least advantage when the knife is carried in concealment closely to body. Poland is not particularly hot country but there is no surprise to have temperatures up to 28-30° C in summer here. So the surface between knife and user's body could be pretty wet of sweet in such day.

<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=right SRC="" border="2"></a>I was very curious how the things stand with M-2 steel sharpening? My faithful DMT Diamond Whetstones coped with this task with flying colors. Subjectively M-2 at 60-62 HRC is not harder to sharpen than ATS-34 at about 60 HRC. Maybe burr removing could cause somewhat more difficulties but the difference is not essential. At the same time burr removing is noticeably easier than sharpening CPM 440V at 55-57 HRC. I think the steel hardness is less important to make sharpening easier or harder than wear resistance.
I also have had no problems sharpening (rather resharpening) my M-2 blade with SPYDERCO Sharpmaker or SPYDERCO Bench Stones.

<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=right SRC="" border="2"></a>Since the handle doesn't have to accommodate the blade it is also shorter than Pinnacle's one - it's a very minimum to provide a sure and comfortable grip in medium sized hand. For larger hand this handle could be a bit too small. Nicely shaped forefinger grove and checkered thumb ramp provide a very positive grip and accurate blade indexing. I would have nothing against if the grove's surface would be checkered also. Textured G-10 scales are fitting my hand very comfortably. A whole knife design appears as very simple but well thought out. "What a severe knife" said my friend who makes replicas of ancient edged weapons when he saw my Nimravus Cub first time. He changed his opinion immediately taking it into his hand!

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[This message has been edited by Sergiusz Mitin (edited 12-09-2000).]
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<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=left SRC="" border="2"></a>Two-piece Kydex sheath in newest edition definitely is not the strongest point of this design. It is designed for low belt carry, which in my opinion is quite unsuitable for urban concealed carry. <a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=right SRC="" border="2"></a><a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=right SRC="" border="2"></a></right>I replaced Kydex belt adapter with the steel clip from my full sized Nimravus (old style sheath) and now I have the sheath nicely fitting relatively high belt carry inside or outside the waistband. It can be easily set up for both right- and left-hand carry, either on the strong hand side or in cross-draw position.

Conclusion: if the strong, reliable knife reasonably sized for medium-to-heavy cutting chores and self defense in urbanized environment is required the Nimravus Cub can make a very reasonable alternative for tactical folder. The choice depends on individual liking only.
<a href="" target="_blank"><IMG align=left SRC="" border="2"></a>Reviewing this knife my natural impulse was to compare edge retention of M-2 and ATS-34 steel blades. This was done numerous times but I couldn't resist my desire to do it once more. The edge geometry of Nimravus Cub is quite similar to Pinnacle's one and the difference in blade length is almost unnoticeable - nice material for comparison. I sharpened both knives using my SPYDERCO Tri-Angle Sharpmaker with equal sharpening angle and then I started to slick through &#189;-inch hemp rope. ATS-34 blade (Pinnacle) lost shaving ability after 80 cuts, M-2 blade (Nimravus Cub) - after 75 cuts. I was somewhat surprised with ATS-34 blade better performance, so I "steeled up" both knives to shaving sharpness and tried again. The result was very similar, ATS-34 outperformed M-2 once more! Subjectively I noticed that ATS-34 cut hemp more aggressively although both blades were sharpened on the same grit. Maybe this could be caused by Pinnacle's recurved blade as well.
However the edge retention of these two steels doesn't differ a lot and is not essential to make a choice. Much more essential are other steel properties. Stainless ATS-34 is more brittle and prone to chipping in case of extremely heavy cutting or meeting some kind of hard obstruction (for ex. bone in meat or staple in cardboard). High-speed M-2 tool-steel is more impact resistant but it is more expensive and non-stainless.
The choice depends on knife intentioned use and environment in which particular knife should be used - as usually at least

Sergiusz Mitin
Lodz, Poland

[This message has been edited by Sergiusz Mitin (edited 12-09-2000).]
There is no point to say again "great review" as there have never been other than great from Sergiusz.

Nimravus Cub looks like a good alternative to a folder. But I like the idea always to have my Avalanche handy in my jeans pocket.

Piter M.
Fully agree! what a great small fixed bladed knife! and the M2 steel does hold up well too!

I got to see Kodiak PA's Cub and that convinced me to get myself one, now the full size might be alright too? but I like the practical size of the Cub. Mine arrived fairly sharp, I touched it up a little and it is very sharp!

Thumbs up on this one!

great job on the review, as always, SOMEONE should take and make a web page that has ALL of your review Links listed, that would be GREAT, knowing me there probably exists one already, but I've not seen it....but a list in Knife name order would be very handy!!

"The Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions!"
Take the time to read your Bible Now, don't be left behind...

[This message has been edited by Gary W. Graley (edited 12-11-2000).]
Thanks Piter, thanks Gary!
Seems no people more are interested in this thread although topics like "which small fixed blade should I buy" appear here almost daily

Gary, unfortunately I do not have my own web page. Our sites offering free non-commercial home page hosting work generally so-so, additionally I have no experience in web page's building and administrating.
However I like your idea a lot and if someone would have any thoughts in this matter I would be glad to discuss them.
I just got one of these in a trade and I like the knife alot. I agree that the sheath could have been better thought out though. It looks nice but should be multi-positional. In this price range there are lots of other makes that come with multiple carry options. So, I will have probably get an aftermarket sheath made for mine.

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Hey Guys...

Great review...

Enjoyed it much...
will be talking to you shortly about it...



If you are interested in an aftermarket sheath for your Nim,,get in touch with me..



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Your sheaths look nice! Seems they are pretty smooth and not interfering with clothing, this mould around handle in finger grove's area should hold a knife very securely. I guess your sheaths can be carried in upside-down position without any contraindication

What kind of bet adapter do you use? Could you show them from "clip side"?
First of all, I would like to say that main reason (IMHO) of little numbers of replies at your reviews, Sergiusz, is fullness and profundity of your evaluations - people just have no to say more, except, maybe, "another great reviews, Sergiusz", but sometimes it could be boring
. To not loose such unique information I've just printed down ALL of your reviews.

Nimravus Cub "caught" my eyes with its aesthetic appearance: for me it is not looked severe or as "fang of prehistoric wild cat" or even "sexy"
, but as a leaf of tropical plant: sharp and tender at the same time.
And when I saw this one (in ATS-34) in local haunting shop I've bought it immediately (hit twice my wallet and he gave up me 150 bucks, I'm still hearing his screaming and crying

Yes, Nimravus Cub is well thought design and I fully satisfied with it, but (nothing is perfect 'cause nobody is perfect) in some places IMHO it is "overthought". Tang "extras" around the scales is seemed superfluous to me and thumb ramp is too checkered (IMHO). C.U.B. (Customized Unauthorized Benchmade) at looks quite attractive (on the picture, at least).

I agree that Nimravus' sheath is "underthought". I removed external parts and with cord adapted this one for neck caring.
I use Nimravus Cub as neck knife during my early morning jogging for … let say as extra weight on the neck for exercises
Usually I finish my jogging with knife throwing exercises (to throw the thing for $ 150 ?! shame on me, but usually I stop such "exercises" after "more - then - three - minutes - missed - knife - searching"
To use Nimravus Cub or any other knife for self-defense ? For me fast legs are the best self-defense weapon.

OK, despite on all mentioned above, Nimravus Cub is very nice knife and thank you, Sergiusz, for very good review.

Great review, Serg! Enjoyed it. I do like the cub's size that is for sure. Seems to me that BM did something right with this piece. I was not impressed with the original sheath. The belt loop was so thin I could not even get it on without forcing the belt tip through the loop.

I do like the knife however and with a new sheath this is a wonderful knife.

~Greg Mete~
Kodiak Alaska

Buck Collectors Club-Lifetime Member
Thanks for the review Sergiusz!I never usually comment on your reviews but I always read and enjoy them.Keep up the good work

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">First of all, I would like to say that main reason (IMHO) of little numbers of replies at your reviews, Sergiusz, is fullness and profundity of your evaluations</font>
Does it mean that I should write clumsy review or do some idiotic statements to get better response?

Of course I'm just kidding here but each joke includes certain amount of truth...
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">People just have no to say more, except, maybe, "another great reviews, Sergiusz", but sometimes it could be boring
Sure, continuing this statement could bore even in spite of the some pleasure to listen it
But on the other hand each post brings the topic onto the top of list and makes it visible for Forumites who missed it earlier for one or another reason. Please compare the great response and hundreds of posts what collected the topic about "the best offensive weapon"!

If seriously - I have some plans for 2001:
First, I'm planning to set up my own homepage, maybe this could occur in first third of 2001, depending on how fast I could learn programming in HTML.
Second, I'm working on the new book, it could be available in Polish at fall 2001 or in beginning of 2002, depending on publisher efficiency. Unfortunately availability in another languages doesn't depend on me and even only partially depends on my publisher.
A lot of things I'm writing here are the parts of my coming book. This is the main reason why your questions and appreciation (or lack of appreciation) is so important for me, I can see what I did well and what I have missed.

Thank you Friends!

Really, Sergiusz, you should know that unless you start a fight, nobody will comment on your reviews. Seriously, I do try to say something about each of your excellent reviews, if only to acknowledge the effort you put into them. Thanks for all your work on your reviews.
Let me know if you have any thoughts regarding Nim Vs. Nim Cub and ATS-34 vs. M2 beyond what your excellant review mentioned.
I don't want to start the fight with each my writing. Believe me I'm very peacefully oriented fellow

The only difference between Nimravus and Cub is their size. So all practical advantages and disadvantages would be result of size difference only.
I could propose another idea. Don't you think the comparison between similarly sized and shaped knives from different manufacturers would be more interesting?
For ex. BENCHMADE Nimravus vs. GERBER Yari?
That is a common phenomenon Sergiusz, do not be discouraged. The better and more thorough the review, the fewer the comments.

I have also noticed that Benchmade ATS-34 cuts rope better than M-2 with identical sharpening. I believe it has to do with the grain size of the carbides in the blade. I have noticed the difference with identically sharpened AFCK blades in M-2 and ATS.
Diethelm T. UTZINGER (aka ZUT&ZUT) states that more aggressive cutting of ATS-34 is not caused by its coarser grain but by its continuous micro-chipping. Quite brittle very edge doesn’t wear out calmly but loses larger (on micro level of course) particles creating some kind of micro saw and self sharpening at the same time.

Frankly I like this idea. Before we will start to cut the edge is as we have created it and cutting aggressiveness depends only on grit we have finished our edge on. This is practically nothing to do with grain size.

What do you think about this?