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Excellent table! It will be interesting to see how the new 485 will fit into that set.
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Benchmade Nakamura 484-1 (S90V & CF)
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Excellent table! It will be interesting to see how the new 485 will fit into that set.
The only thing I don't like about my 484 is the weight; it feels a little hefty for a 3" blade. Skeletonized liners would be a major plus... anything to get the weight closer to 3 ounces. (a fool's hope, probably)
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Could someone post a pic of a 484 next to some mini grip variant, both standing on edge? Ya'all have made me curious now. I'd be much obliged if someone could fulfill this request. You will be rewarded 1(one) interweb cookie.
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Yup same here.
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Not sure what view you wanted. It's the thickness (see last pic), especially from the liners, that gives it the "brickyness". But I still enjoy carrying mine.
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I carry my 484 in rotation with my 940 and yes it is heavy ( maybe aluminum liners, thinner, and skeletonized would help) and I also had a 940-1 and the s90v was very "ODD" to sharpen, it would be sharp but not as sharp as my m390, s35vn, 154cm blades, I don't know how to explain it but it was twice the time and not quite the same level of results, it would satisfy most people if they don't sharpen their own stuff but if you do you understand what I am saying, thats also the reason I sold it recently, s90v just didn't prove to be better m390 which is easy to work with.
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My amateur experience so far with sharpening M390 and S90V, using a WE and a SM, has been similar. However, the edge holding of the S90V is truly outstanding. It doesn't quite get as razor sharp as I can get M390 and becomes a 'working edge' as easily as other steels but oh my does it hold that working edge, noticeably more so than M390 or any other steel I have, perhaps even ZDP-189, which in turn makes S90V seem easy to sharpen.
All depends on which is more important to the individual I guess, screaming sharpness or edge retention.
M390 used to be my favourite folder blade steel, until I got S90V.
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Good grief - That sucker is a tank. I can see what you guys are talking about now when calling it a "pocket brick". I thought, in my head, without laying out the measurements on paper that it was comparable to a Mini Grip. It's not even close. Still looks to be a really cool knife, though.
The picture with the knives laying flat, with the camera shooting down along the table is really helpful. Thank you for taking the time to snap those and upload them.
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Well, Black class is "professional". It doesn't mean it is super duty, but also BKC considers this as bidding to LEO or EMT/O department bidding. S90V is very specific steel that is focused to be wear resistance with sacrificing other factors.
Cost and "luxury" factor may prevent some of the Blue Class being listed in Black class.
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I'm torn between this knife and the Rubicon.
I checked out the 484-1 in person last weekend. The 484-1 look great, tho I noticed the finger groves are shallower on the CF scales compared to the 484. I didn't like the "FirstProduction" stamp on the blade. The kerning is all wrong and I'm a typography nut. Has anyone seen a non-first-production model yet? I'm waiting to get that.
I prefer without also. Emailed couple dealers, so far only first production knives. Was wondering if this adds to price or takes away if you ever resell it.
Thanks for the info. Guess I'll wait a little longer to buy mine.
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I recently bought both the 484-1 and the Rubicon. I've been carrying both alternately for the past 2 weeks. They really do not compare with each other.
The 484-1 is smaller and lighter (maybe a little too small since the finger grooves are so tightly placed together they fit my wife's hand much better than mine).
The Rubicon has quickly become my favorite folder. The slightly larger handle fits me just right. The smoothly rounded thickness of the handle feels great in the hand (although even bulkier than the 484-1 in the pocket). The flipper action of the blade is wonderfully smooth, effortless, and it locks up with a very satisfyingly solid "thunk". The blade shape is robust and ready for real use, and the construction is very solid. The only negative is the frame lock is a little difficult to release at first until you get used to it.
The Rubicon is a thick handle knife that does not sit low in the pocket, so it is not the knife I choose for every situation. I am fortunate enough to have a lot of knives so I can pick the one that best suits the activities I have planned and the pants that I am wearing. The 484-1 with CF and blue looks good with jeans. The 485 looks good with slacks. The 761 looks good with everything, just a bit long sometimes. But, the Rubicon is the one I like in my hand.
So, after using both the 484-1 and the Rubicon alternately for the past 2 weeks I don't think they are all that comparable. They're different sizes, different blade shapes, different blade thicknesses, different blade materials, different handle shapes, and different deployment actions. Both are bulky. One uses it's bulk to improve the feel in the hand, the other has too many finger grooves in too small of a space.
My best advise, go to a shop that has both and hold them. My guess is, depending on your knife priorities, you will immediately lean toward one or the other. Or do like I did and just get 'em both
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Received my 484-1 in perfect condition. Very smooth and classy. It has the same dirty stonewashing on the S90V blade. Excellent CF. Weighs just 3.27 ounces with a handle thickness of 0.528" compared to 3.52 ounces and 0.570" for the 484. This is going to be a favorite EDC of mine.
I had very high expectations for the gorgeous Rubicon. Excellent CF, flipper action and grind on the S30V blade. However, the titanium liner lock is difficult to disengage, the backspacer has sharp edges and it's fat & wide like a tuna fish (handle thickness of 0.650").
I had very high expectations for the gorgeous Rubicon. Excellent CF, flipper action and grind on the S30V blade. However, the titanium liner lock is difficult to disengage, the backspacer has sharp edges and it's fat & wide like a tuna fish (handle thickness of 0.650").
