Benchmade Rukus or Hershaw JYDII Ti/SG2

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Big decision... I found a Kershaw JYDII with Ti handle & SG2 laminated blade - for ~$150 shipped. A local B&M sellor quoted me a 'deal' for a new 610 Rukus (Ti/S30V) for little more. I recently added a mini and regular Skirmish (635BK & 630), doubling my BM collection. I love S30V... but, that SG2 was a one-time deal from Kershaw - and I missed out in the Blur version. The Ti allures me - obviously. I did get two CB JYDIIs, a regular black production G10 and a grey fuselage pattern G10 - super knives.

Suggestions and/or opinions would be welcomed. I am not that familiar with SG2! Thanks!

Stainz
 
Personally I really like SG2. I'd rate it just behind ZDP for edge retention and the abiility to take a very keen edge. I have the Ti/SG2 JYD, but I haven't carried it. I have used a SG2 Blur a lot, and I'm extremely satisfied with its performance.

From Kershaw's website: (Note: They're discussing their Shum Elite knives, but the manufacturing is the same)

Now we move to Shun Elite. Besides being very decorative, Shun Elite uses a new steel called SG-2. Unlike VG-10, SG-2 is a powdered steel. To understand what this means, you have to understand what powdered steel is, how it is made, and what advantages it brings to the table. The best way to do this is to first compare the perfect steel to the perfect chocolate chip cookie. When making steel the term carbides gets used a lot. A carbide is the combination of the carbon and chromium molecule. These carbides give the steel is hardness and resistance to rust. Carbides can combine to create different sizes or end up clustered in some parts of the steel leaving other areas without their benefit. How is this like a chocolate chip cookie? Well imagine if you mix the chocolate chips aka the carbides into the dough unevenly, and make the cookies. You will end up with some cookies with too many chips and some with none. This of course ruins the flavor and texture of the cookie. In steel, what you get is weak points and corrosion. The challenge when making steel is to keep the elements and carbides evenly displaced. The problem arises that when you mix all of the elements in large quantities, the outer part of the mixture cools faster than the inner part and the elements start to separate. The carbides also start to form unevenly and in different sizes, just like a poorly made chocolate chip cookie. Its also kind of like raw milk from a cow. If you let it sit, the cream rises to the top, and the solids sink to the bottom. Turning the molten mixture into powdered steel is like pasteurizing the milk. Once the process is completed the elements no longer separate, just like when raw milk is pasteurized and becomes whole milk, the cream and solids no longer separate.

How do they do this? First they heat up all the iron and elements in their recipe into a hot molten steel soup, and then mix it all together till they have even dispersal of all of the elements throughout the soup. Then they spray the molten mixture through something that resembles a garden hose nozzle set on wide disbursement. As they do this, liquid nitrogen is also sprayed through the same nozzle and instantly cools down each micro droplet making a perfect mini ingot with perfect size carbides and element dispersal. From there, you reheat the powder and form it into an ingot using what we call the HIP process

The way they form the powdered steel in to a large ingot, is to put the powder mixture in to a big steel can. A steel disc covering the top of the can is welded on, and then all of the air is sucked out and replaced with argon gas. The can is then put inside an auto clave, which is a large pressurized chamber, and then the chamber is filled with argon and heated up. This is called the HIP process, which stands for Hot Isostatic Press. Heating the argon causes it to expand creating perfectly even pressure, perfectly compressing the powder in to the ingot. The reason you have argon in both the auto clave and the canister, is so you have equal pressure on either side of the can. If you had argon only on the inside or only on the outside of the can, it would either be crushed or explode as the argon expanded in the HIP process. It is important to note that we don't heat up the powder till it is molten, only enough for the ingot to form. If we made it molten again, then everything we accomplished by making it into powder in the first place would be undone. The elements would start to separate and the carbides wouldn't have even dispersal or uniform size. The reason they use argon as opposed to hydrogen which also expands greatly when it is heated, is because argon is inert. Hydrogen isn't. If hydrogen is exposed to just one spark under that type of heat and pressure, which is entirely possible considering what we are working with, it would create what we call in the manufacturing world, "a really big BOOM". Imagine the Hindenburg. I am sure you can see why that could be considered a "bad thing." The end result is a perfect large ingot with absolute density, perfect grain structure, and perfectly even element and carbide dispersal ready for the rolling mill, where it is pounded down and clad with an SUS410 cover to form the blank for our Shun Elite. Similar to what we do for regular Shun.

What is the advantage here? Well imagine that steel is like fabric. Regular stainless steel would be like burlap. Strong but with lots of holes and hard to cut and sew. VG10 would be like denim. Much tighter weave easier to cut for sewing and a lot more durable. SG2 would be like fine silk. Super fine threads for maximum density, super flexible, easiest to cut and sew, and definitely the strongest fabric that will last the longest even though it is the thinnest. In all of the cutting steels that I have come across in my 17 years of housewares, SG2 simply blows everything else away for performance, edge retention, and re-sharpening. Because of the powderizing and HIP processes, you end up with an alloy that has a much higher density and grain structure with no imperfections or weak points. Just like silk. This allows us to increase the Rockwell hardness to 64, and the edge will still have flexibility so it won't chip, and can be re-sharpened. Even if it is paper thin.
 
I am also very happy with my JYD II SG2. Super sharp and stays that way. I figured it was limited and at a great price for the materials and F&F. You can find a Rukus anytime, but not the JYD II SG2.
 
Get the Ti Sg2 JYD, it's a near perfect knife for EDC, packing a hefty blade in a small (but comfy) frame.
There's only one problem, tip down only, I need to send it to STR but I need money for other things right now. I love the clip personally, but I want it tip up and can't drill and tap the liners myself on the Ti.
All in all, you can't beat the Sg2's edge retention at 4rc less than ZDP, plus the beastly Ti frame lock that locks up like a tank, my lock was initially sticky, mine's a blem, but it broke in easily with an hour of flipping.
Flipping action is butter smooth, and the more you flip it the smoother it gets.

I'm sure that you can't be dissappointed with it, it's a sweet blade. :D
 
I really like the JYD lineup, but I'd say take the Rukus. Feels better in my hand and I prefer the axis lock. Also, I'd rather have the g10/micarta than titanium. I'm not a big fan of titanium handles....scratches so easy, not that grippy.
 
Well, the Ti/SG-2 JYDII it is - I can always get a Rukus later... like later today. It's been a bad day for me - spending that much would make it worse... who do I think I am, the government?? I have to pay my bills one day.

Stainz

PS The JYDII is on the way... even if 'Pay-I aint your Pal' wouldn't give me their 8% discount. Another useless 'coupon'.
 
You should call up paypal and harass them. I successfully got a 20% discount applied to an ebay knife once using a coupon that didn't work. It had been emailed to me, but they didn't have any record for it. Eventually they gave it to me anyway though.

Congrats on the JYD. I have the composite blade one (much cheaper, but still awesome) and months later I still can't stop playing with it. Buttery smooth is right.
 
I spoke with Evil Bay 'customer disservice' yesterday - a lady who read something off a list - and informed me I had paid full price and could still use that coupon - on my next purchase. Her supervisor promised an e-mail resolution - but quoted the same thing. I think I can go out on a limb here - where they were... English is not their native tongue.

The JYDII Ti/SG-2 is in the mail as of last evening. I'll report back when it arrives. I have both the black and the grey/fuselage detail G10 1725CBs - with D2 edges. I was attracted to the Ti handles - and a chance for an SG-2 blade.

Thanks, SPXTrader, for the SG-2 info. You may have given me similar info much earlier on the now defunct Kershaw sub-forum. I still lament it's passing - but I couldn't go through the archives to check - it's still too soon!

That Rukus will be next, that's for sure.

Stainz
 
I just went thru this a few weeks ago. It was either the JYDII or the BM Rukus or Mini Rukus. After handling them all I went with the Mini Rukus. I love this knife. Axis lock is solid, f&f is great, and the ergos are very comfortable. If the JYDII's handle was slightly longer then it'd be a tougher decision but the Axis lock might win out. I have many liner and frame lock knives but I like the fact of not putting my fingers in the blade path to close the knife.
 
I was pretty happy with the JYDII CB I got as a gift from my wife at Christmas as well as my blem grey fuselage pattern G10 version from evil-bay. I could close them one handed - with my leg to press against - or, more safely, with both hands. The new one arrived today - fast - and is nice - really nice. It rivals my standard for sharpness - a new 420HC Buck 110. The blade is laminated - and I don't know what the outter steel is - but the overall thickness is 0.121" - like the CBs. The Ti frame's fuselage pattern differs from the grey G10 1725CB slightly. The holes are well executed - very crisp. It came new - crisp packaging - in plastic bag with dessicant, all that within a zipper case - then another plastic bag with info sheets - and then the box. Nice knife!

Stainz
 
Well, I couldn't leave well enough alone. A foundling (In my driveway!) runt fleabag & wormy kitten we decided to 'help' three weeks ago Saturday, continues to drain my funds. Yesterday started with an X-ray and breathing treatments... ended with me cancelling his $300 echocardiogram scheduled for today. If his little enlarged heart is problematic, and the pneumonia is from that rather than bacterial (We are giving him meds for that.), his little days are numbered. We have five other cats in the house. He gets 4-5 'breathing treatments', actually, 15 minutes in a vaporizer supersaturated air bathroom, per day. I hope he survives... but I could have bought a Large and Small Sebenza already for what I have spent - and I still might have to plant him in the backyard.

Anyway, I was depressed yesterday AM when I left him at the vets for the X-rays and treatments - $170 estimated. That would go on plastic. I was passing the B&M gun/knife store and noted the time - 10:02 AM - they were open. I swerved in, leaving half an hour later with the 610 Rukus. Yeah, 'comfort' - for me. So, not deciding which to buy proved axiomatic - they are both here at week's end. My CC now has a 'balance'... maybe not 'stimulus' sized - but horrific for me. When I picked the little guy up, I was told of his even more significant problems - and his scheduled echo. If he has the problems they thought the echo would indicate, nothing could be done. So, surprise me. Still, my selfish purchase of the two knives nearly equalled the echo's cost - serious guilt welled up inside me. My wife came in from work and cancelled the echo, stating the obvious - "It's a kitten!".

I love the Rukus - it's the big, rough & tumble, bushcraft folder I 'needed'. Yeah, I love my Buck 110s, too, but this guy is a moose - and S30V steel. I have a birthday in a few days - I deserve it... yeah, right. I do like it. The JYDII will likely see more pocket time.

Stainz

PS There still is an echocardiogram scheduled for next week - mine! Oh - that guilt, enforced when I picked the little guy up minutes ago, faded when I fondled my new knives... I am a knife-slut!
 
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Stainz, there is a easy remedy for your situation....his name is Brno and he can be had in .22lr.

Then go get the small Sebenza as a celebration token......something along the lines of "Happy early birthday to me, Happy....".
 
Sadly, I have three CZ-452s... and an S&W 617 - all .22 rimfire. While I carried a 1911 in the USN - and various revolvers legally for protection now, they are for two-legged vermin. I just couldn't shoot a pet.

No Sebbies for a while here.

Stainz
 
Depressed over kitten health expenses? I just don't know what all of the ruckus was about - so to speak. It's only money. That's what I'll say when the CC bill gets here next month. For now, I am happy - and the kitty is doing better. Anyhow, the decision was made - Ti/SG2 JYDII AND the BM 610 RUKUS!

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The JYDII is sharper - actually, scarey sharp. The RUKUS raises a few hairs - cuts beautifully - handles great. I am elated with both.

Stainz
 
II just got one off the bay for 147 shipped to Singapore... Hope it's as good as my CB blade... It'll be my 2nd Ti handled knife. I'm digging that Rukus but there's an Ocelot with my name on it. Maybe next time...
 
the knife is awesome. great design the lock is solid and the blade is a great grind with a crazy sharp edge. idk if they fixed the clip but even my clip locks up tight. def one of my best knives
 
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Loneriderz,

Sounds like your Ti/SG-2 JYDII is coming from the same source mine did. First rate service - fast, too. Not much more to Singapore - neat! Mine came somewhere between wicked and scarey sharp. I have both the regular black G10 CB and the 'factory second' in grey fuselage pattern G10. The lines/dots are a little different between it and the Ti/SG-2 version, but the blade is the same thickness. The Ti frame is thicker than the G10 scales, but thinner than the liner plus G10 scales, so the knife is thinner than the CBs. Nice heft - mainly that blade - good balance and secure frame-lock. If you like your 1725CB, you'll love the Ti/SG-2 JYDII even more.

Of course, that RUKUS is a keeper... it has me thinking I need it's little brother, the 615 mini-RUKUS. Does this ever end?

The kitten is finally growing and putting on weight - and playing, too.

Stainz
 
Hey... the coincidence is amazing... The only reason I got one was because I read this thread of yours. I've always wanted one but figured they were long gone. After reading this thread I did a search on the Bay and there it was. Yes he charged me fair shipping. USD10.50 for USPS 1st Class or USD12.90 for priority. It's a nice change, all too often they try to up the shipping cost only for the package to arrive with labels worth a lot lesser. I guess shipping boxes and peanuts are expensive. I hate buying from the Bay but there are still some great sellers around. My fav is Justin (aka whitemountainknives).

I may get the Rukus too... Same great taste dude... Hope to see a review from you on the Rukus soon.

Great job on the kitten, I'm a big time animal lover. I wish I can have a dog but I've a 14year old cat. It doesn't fetch the paper buy she's a loving old girl.

Azad
 
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