Benchmade vs. Spyderco

RetiredGuns said:
Someone might be interested in those older Spydies. Does this shop have anything new-ish?
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What you see is what they have. The other cabinet is full of three rows of Benchmades, including a few gold class knives. If you see something you like, it's called Target Sports in Royal Oak, MI.

GronK said:
Proper form after declaring oneself a winner is to leave and let the adults continue their conversation. Cya.
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Com'on have a sense of humor already. Also, please remember that you wont like every ones opinion and you will have to deal with that. Also, I guess I will restate it in case you haven't read all of this but I never said that Spyderco was a bad knife brand. I didn't buy one today but I think the all blacked out handle delica is beautiful (and obviously a great quality knife). I just wish they came with an uncoated blade.

Also, I never held an SS Delica until today. It felt great and of the highest quality (better than a lot of Benchmades that I have felt). It's probably because the heavy weight of it makes it feel solid, but it still gives the sense that it is ultra high quality. Quite a bargain. Might have snagged it if it was FFG. I'm quite sold on FFG, if I get a Spydie. Like I mentioned in my first post in here, that's a win over most Benchmades.
 
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seelow123 said:
Can you please keep this behavior up so we don't have to deal with you for very long? Pretty please?
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Yeah, I've written half a dozen replies but deleted them all. Puerile doesn't even begin to describe it. But just to think along those puerile lines...

...what company insists on paternalistically coating all M2 and M4 blades?
...what company has historically persisted in running their steel soft?
...what company has failed to innovate with locks and sat on their laurels for 15 years?
...what company has failed to deliver high performance steels that many other companies have delivered, such as S110V, S90V and ZDP-189, just to name a few?

:rolleyes: ;)

And, by the way, I'm sure I've been buying Benchmade knives for longer than dzlvs8 has been alive. :eek: :D
 
dzlvs8 said:
What you see is what they have. The other cabinet is full of three rows of Benchmades, including a few gold class knives. If you see something you like, it's called Target Sports in Royal Oak, MI.


Com'on have a sense of humor already. Also, please remember that you wont like every ones opinion and you will have to deal with that. Also, I guess I will restate it in case you haven't read all of this but I never said that Spyderco was a bad knife brand. I didn't buy one today but I think the all blacked out handle delica is beautiful (and obviously a great quality knife). I just wish they came with an uncoated blade.

Also, I never held an SS Delica until today. It felt great and of the highest quality (better than a lot of Benchmades that I have felt). It's probably because the heavy weight of it makes it feel solid, but it still gives the sense that it is ultra high quality. Quite a bargain. Might have snagged it if it was FFG. I'm quite sold on FFG, if I get a Spydie. Like I mentioned in my first post in here, that's a win over most Benchmades.
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You still here? I spaced you out hours ago. Differing opinions are not a problem unless voiced in juvenile "my dad can whip your dad" internet-ese. Chill a while, relax and get a feel of the way to get along here. Lots to be learned.
 
GronK said:
You still here? I spaced you out hours ago. Differing opinions are not a problem unless voiced in juvenile "my dad can whip your dad" internet-ese. Chill a while, relax and get a feel of the way to get along here. Lots to be learned.
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Please refrain from attacking me and stick to the topic. Your anger seems very misguided, but non-the-less, this isn't the place to vent. Cheer up! :) :)

Look this guy brought up some good points and had something good to add. I agree with what he has to say about the Spydercos.

JNewell said:
Yeah, I've written half a dozen replies but deleted them all. Puerile doesn't even begin to describe it. But just to think along those puerile lines...

...what company insists on paternalistically coating all M2 and M4 blades?
...what company has historically persisted in running their steel soft?
...what company has failed to innovate with locks and sat on their laurels for 15 years?
...what company has failed to deliver high performance steels that many other companies have delivered, such as S110V, S90V and ZDP-189, just to name a few?

:rolleyes: ;)
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I'm not actually young, but I am fun.
In regards to not offering the super super steels, it's quite surprising that with all the gold class knives they make, they don't use the crazy steels. However, lots and lots of knives priced way higher than Benchmade's also don't use those steels you mentioned.

About the lock...I am confused. The lock back that Spyderco uses is archaic and is a lot slower, and often requires two hands, to close. It's frustrating to me that so many Spyderco blades are only offered in lock backs. The axis is far more awesome than any other lock in a lot of peoples eyes so it's a little easier to understand why Benchmade uses them on so many knives. ....but a few more liner/frame locks would be nice. Especially on the assisted opening knives. They would be much easier to close.
 
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The axis lock is pretty nice, attacking the AXIS is like attacking CRKs for using frame locks... Bread and butter man! (Not that they've really been resting in their laurels, see the 7505 DA mechanism as an example or Nagara, iconic 630/635 in mono lock, Stryker and AFCK in liner lock, Lone Wolf in back lock etc. etc.)

What I think they've been slow on is their fixed blade lineup.

Of course being an ambidextrous lefty sways me in the direction of the CBBL and AXIS, ease of use.

I'd like to see some non auto button locks just for fun.

I know cold steel did their version of the Opinel, I would love to see Benchmade and Spyderco try their hands at that design, with better steel and materials.
 
I'm not dissing the Axis. I bought one of the very first 710s when they were released, and I still have it - along with a huge box of other Benchmades, mostly Axis lock knives.

Although when not trying to poke you ;) I'll admit that the lock situation isn't as clear as my post above, it's also far from true that the lockback (which probably isthe lock that most of us would associate with Spyderco) is all Spyderco does. Linerlocks, framelocks, compression locks (a great lock and a Spyderco invention), etc.

Another note - Benchmade used to do a lot of great collaborations. They are still doing some, but not so much and not with designers like Snody and Blackwood. Spyderco has done a lot of great collaborations and is still doing them - Wilson, Bradley, Schemmp and others.

Finally, a random note on the hole vs. studs - I like the hole. It results in a slightly slimmer knife. My current favorite Benchmade is a 746-1201 that combines the Axis lock with the round hole opener.

In the end, I think the real truth is that this is a Ford vs. Chevy question. I really like parts of each maker's line and would be very unhappy if either suddenly stopped making knives.


dzlvs8 said:
Please refrain from attacking me and stick to the topic. Your anger seems very misguided, but non-the-less, this isn't the place to vent. Cheer up! :) :)

Look this guy brought up some good points and had something good to add. I agree with what he has to say about the Spydercos.

I'm not actually young, but I am fun.
In regards to not offering the super super steels, it's quite surprising that with all the gold class knives they make, they don't use the crazy steels. However, lots and lots of knives priced way higher than Benchmade's also don't use those steels you mentioned.

About the lock...I am confused. The lock back that Spyderco uses is archaic and is a lot slower, and often requires two hands, to close. It's frustrating to me that so many Spyderco blades are only offered in lock backs. The axis is far more awesome than any other lock in a lot of peoples eyes so it's a little easier to understand why Benchmade uses them on so many knives. ....but a few more liner/frame locks would be nice. Especially on the assisted opening knives. They would be much easier to close.
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JNewell said:
In the end, I think the real truth is that this is a Ford vs. Chevy question. I really like parts of each maker's line and would be very unhappy if either suddenly stopped making knives.
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I think what we need is SpyderMade, or BenchCo. :D :foot:
 
ebidis said:
I think what we need is SpyderMade, or BenchCo. :D :foot:
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They did, the AFCK.

Also, the Spyderco Tim Zowada looked much more like a Benchmade than a Spyderco. I really wish I'd picked one up when they were around for $120.
 
MatthewSB said:
I don't like the "weak link" in the Axis lock system - the tiny wire spring that can only be replaced at the factory. I really like the simplicity of liner locks, and compression locks take the same simplicity and make it stronger (because a short piece of flat steel is less likely to bend than a longer one). You could have an Axis lock knife work fine for years, then the spring finally gives out and the knife must be sent away for weeks whereas a liner lock might give you trouble right away, but once properly adjusted should work properly for years without any unexpected issues.

Because of this, I like Spyderco's knives more. That said, if Benchmade releases something with an appealing design and a liner lock I'll be all over it.
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I could replace the Omega springs on my Benchmade Griptillian if I had new ones. I've taken mine apart to clean it a few times, and it really wasn't that hard to remove or install them again. Perhaps some models are more difficult than others? You just have to be careful that you don't zing them across the room.
 
Sharp Steel said:
I could replace the Omega springs on my Benchmade Griptillian if I had new ones. I've taken mine apart to clean it a few times, and it really wasn't that hard to remove or install them again. Perhaps some models are more difficult than others? You just have to be careful that you don't zing them across the room.
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Yes, and (1) breakages are incredibly rare, you are more likely to get hit by lightning and (2) it is well documented here that you can easily make replacements out of music wire (e.g., guitar strings). I think the Axis broken spring "issue" is a phantom. Everything breaks, occasionally.
 
I prefer Benchmade. Never owned a Spyderco though, the thumb hole makes them look ugly and it doesn't appeal to me. Just my personal opinion.
 
Not to mention the axis lock is better than most locks Spyderco offers, the lock on the manic is great but for the most part all Benchmades are axis and most Spydercos are liner, or lock back.
 
It's all good, dudes. Nothing to argue about. Both good knives. Some prefer one, some others. Even Sal, the owner of Spyderco says different but all good. I guess it all just boils down to whether you prefer holes or studs.
 
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