bend not bad or bad

Why? Knives are for cutting, slicing and/orstabbing. Not prying. I've had some knives for decades, and I have some combat knives that are 75+ years old. None of them are bent, but, then again, no one in the last several decades has diliberately tried to bend them either.
 
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It seems like you are shopping for answers till one supports your position.
I pointed it out in my response in the other thread, but will repeat it a bit differently. I fail to understand why you would do this in the first place. That aside. A bunch of people and one vp of engineering explained the results. It's pretty straightforward.
 
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leghog said:
Why? Knives are for cutting, slicing and/orstabbing. Not prying. I've had some knives for decades, and I have some combat knives that are 75+ years old. None of them are bent, but, then again, no one in the last several decades has diliberately tried to bend them either.
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i thought you talk about opinel or mora knives.

and they are last forever if you put them into safe of Zurich Cantonal bank.
 
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Steve6387 said:
It seems like you are shopping for answers till one supports your position.
I pointed it out in my response in the other thread, but will repeat it a bit differently. I fail to understand why you would do this in the first place. That aside. A buck of people and one vp of engineering explained the results. It's pretty straightforward.
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i have rights to share my exprience .
and i have never ask for replacement ,and never complain about these knife are useless and could damage in normal use.
if in question knives were very good , it is so educational ,and there is no harm for anyone.
 
dingy said:
yes Toooj already provided me an explanation , but that is not persuasive.
OKC combat knives are easily bend with my bare hand , soooooo funy.
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If you keep asking I'm sure you can find people who don't know the right answer who are willing to guess, and you might find their guesses to be more persuasive than the right answer.... Toooj has many years of experience in the knife industry and these days he is the Vice President in charge of Engineering at Ontario and he knows the right answer. Many other people know the right answer, too, but if you don't want to listen to him I don't suppose you'll want to listen to the rest of us, either.

dingy said:
when i straighten my bent knives , i can felt that it is more easy to get back than the first time i am trying to bend .
so i assumed that it will break if i did more few times , cause the fatigue of metal.

one of knife fan told me that :
"Do You know that repeated bending of an pearlitic phase of steel that is hardenable to martensitic phase
equals cold woking and eventually will lead to micro voids / cracks and fatique fracture ?
This is going to happen at lower bending force and with less cycles (by millions)
than with hardened and tempered steel."
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Yes, if you keep bending it back and forth eventually you will break it.

dingy said:
thank you for sharing .
i have some delicate hiden tang knives such as buck119 and glock91 , and they are more roubust that does not get bend easily.
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Yes, there are different methods of heat-treating knives, and those that are heat-treated in an oven instead of by partial immersion in a molten salt bath have tempered tangs that are more resistant to bending. If you are worried about handle bending you can buy knives like that. The US military chooses to have their knives heat-treated in a salt bath, but you may have different needs or different opinions. You can choose for yourself.
 
Bend them back. Stop bending them. If they broke they would be trash since the bend they can still be used. Thats all I am gonna say, especially since this practically a duplicate thread.
 
Cougar Allen said:
If you keep asking I'm sure you can find people who don't know the right answer who are willing to guess, and you might find their guesses to be more persuasive than the right answer.... Toooj has many years of experience in the knife industry and these days he is the Vice President in charge of Engineering at Ontario and he knows the right answer. Many other people know the right answer, too, but if you don't want to listen to him I don't suppose you'll want to listen to the rest of us, either.


Yes, if you keep bending it back and forth eventually you will break it.


Yes, there are different methods of heat-treating knives, and those that are heat-treated in an oven instead of by partial immersion in a molten salt bath have tempered tangs that are more resistant to bending. If you are worried about handle bending you can buy knives like that. The US military chooses to have their knives heat-treated in a salt bath, but you may have different needs or different opinions. You can choose for yourself.
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reasonable , man now i do not even need answers ,just for amusment sharing what i got from knife making industry.
 
There is academic conjecture of why you bend your knives and what truths and "rights" you have on these boards, to be sure.

However, I have been around long enough to know that when Cougar weighs in, his words are something to listen to very carefully.

There is much wisdom on these boards to be had if we don't seek out only self serving answers to our questions.
 
i had felt that there is some kind of spciy odour here.
you mods threaten me that i could be banned if i talk more.
i got it , i know that , and i am fear be banned.
and i really love the styles of democracy here.
so take it easy . i am leaving this thread.
you win and your American made tough knife are good enough.
 
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dingy said:
i had felt that there is some kind of spciy odour here.
you mods threaten me that i could be banned if i talk more.
i got it , i know that , and i am fear be banned.
and i really love the styles of democracy here.
so take it easy . i am leaving this thread.
you win and your American made tough knife are good enough.
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Lmao really that’s what you end with after all this bs? You got creditable responses that you didn’t agree with so this is where you went. Thread was a joke and you got called on it and you go pouting into the shadows. Well take it easy bendy.
 
LG&M said:
I think the OP needs one of these
https://www.bladehq.com/item--TOPS-Knives-Lil-Roughneck-Fixed--9958
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This Tops is even thicker.
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I don't see where any mods threatened to ban you, dingy:confused:

Cougar, a retired super mod, chimed in with reasonable points. I, a mod with absolutely no power nor sway over General nor OKC, simply suggested listening to Cougar. Not because Cougar could dust off a ban-hammer, but that Cougar is a long standing member with A LOT of experience with people in the industry/hobby.

My single point about "rights" was simply to point out that while this is an open forum that prides itself on discussion and thus has secured its place as the go-to destination for all things sharp and pointy, it is privately held and owned by Spark. He keeps its doors open through money spent by makers, manufacturers, and members. OKC is one of those manufacturers. There is no bill of rights to say whatever you want to say.

Here's s brief run down:
You tried to bend your knives and they bent.

You asked the OKC forum if that was normal, and many people chimed in to say that OKC knives as well as several other manufacturers produce their knives with a nearly dead soft tang and will bend.

You asked why some flexed and some would bend. Tooj gave a detailed reason from an engineering standpoint as to why they behave they way they do.

You asked again, and were given the same answers.

You then started a thread in General to ask the same questions.

You received the SAME answers (with a bit more needling from the members).

Look, I'm not an OKC fanboy. I own 5 or 6 of their knives out of hundreds that I have amassed over 30 years. Would I prefer a knife to NOT bend if I try to bend it? Most definitely! However, I have never had one bend on me unless I was trying to bend it.


OKC purposely leaves their tangs soft to promote durability over fracture. I'm sure this a cost to value ratio in order to make a tough well built knife that hits a particular price point.
There is nothing "wrong" with the knives as this how they are designed to perform per explanation from the engineer.
Variety is the spice of life and there are many, many manufacturers that won't bend at the tang if that is an attribute you require in a knife. My main point is to make that others reading the thread understand that OKC is a great company that offers a fine knife. Of my 6 knives of theirs, I've used them all hard and never had one fail.

Best of luck!
 
You're not the only one to think a soft tang is a bad thing. A few years ago a Mad Dog dealer did some tests with combat knives. One of the tests was to drive them into a tree and stand on the handle. That bent the USMC Fighting/Utility knife, and didn't bend the Mad Dog or any of the others he tested. Maybe he added that test to make sure the knife he was selling would win. Or maybe he really thought a soldier might want to drive a combat knife into a tree and stand on it sometime; who knows....

I don't think that one was made by Ontario, but all the manufacturers of the F/U knife have had to follow the military specification, which requires a soft tang.

Maybe the milspec should be changed. There are plenty of knives around with fully tempered tangs and they don't seem to break much, even when hammering with the pommel. On the other hand millions of the F/U knives have been made and they don't seem to bend much. Most people never drive one into a tree and stand on it, or try to bend it deliberately. It doesn't seem to make a lot of difference in practice whether the tang is tempered or soft.
 
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