Best camping - trekking knife under 130$?

... why would I order it directly from Fallkniven, if some retailer in the US can sent it here, with taxes and stuff, a lot cheaper?

It's a universal rule of business that manufacturers do not undersell their retailers. If a manufacturer sells direct to the public it's at "list" price ... you know, that price listed before "our" price on the price tag, that's put there just in case a complete idiot might come along and think because "our" price is lower than "list" price he's getting a bargain....

-Cougar :{)
 
Cliff,

Originally posted by Bart student:
Can anyone recommend a hard use/ abuse knife,
which is easy to carry, bomb-solid and can withstand repeated abuse.
It is for a survival tour, and I will also be carrying a small wood axe, and my favourite folder, still doubting between Small AFCK or Spyderco endura.

In this situation F1 would be quite enough (just my opinion). Why someone should carry extra weight of S1 or especially A1 if he has axe for chopping?
Peter H. said he does everything with his A1 but preparing barbecue I considerably would like F1.
Maybe I'm too lazy...


 
Sergiusz, one of the requirements was to chop light brush, this can be very difficult to chop with an axe and a knife as light as the F1 will not do overly well either. As well the strength of the F1 is rather low in comparison to the A1/S1. It is easily enough for cutting and such but to meet "bomb-solid and can withstand repeated abuse" it is not enough. That fits the A1 very well though.

-Cliff
 
Cliff, seems we are returning to discussion "Which knife is the best for all purposes"
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"Bomb solidity" and "withstanding repeated abuse" are very trick questions, what one man worked out another man always will be able to break
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As to light bush chopping. I had numerous trips in very different climatic zones, from polar tundra through Siberian taiga, Mongolian deserts, Mid-Asian mountains up to Indo-China tropical jungle.
Yes, it is possible to go chopping bus on your way in tropical jungle with generally soft, juicy vegetation. In adventure films it looks nicely: tough guys are going forwards chopping all on their way. But it is fairly hard job, especially if you have a somewhat about 30-40 kg in your backpack. Much easier is to look around for way where you can go without chopping. In real life jungle chopping is a very, very last thing I would do. I would like to go 10 km around instead to go 100 meters chopping continuously.

Well, now lets move to Mid-Asian desert. If you would hit thicket of saksaul - sorry, friends, I do not know how to name it in English and even in Polish. It is very hard thin tree or rather shrub, from 0,5 up to 2 m in height, tangled like hell and additionally prickly. I can't imagine the aim which could let me to go through this thicket chopping...

In Siberian wilderness the harder obstruction I met were dead trees lie on the ground under legs. I can't imagine chopping device in this case, maybe dynamite only...

In polar tundra the dwarf vegetation reaches kneels only but it catches your legs like trap (it is still light bush, right?). The trunks are no thicker than my little finger but they are fairly hard and springy, you could not chop them with A1 as well as with F1.

Do you have some "light bush" more for chopping, please?
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[This message has been edited by Sergiusz Mitin (edited 06-11-2000).]
 
Well as said before the Fallkniven series,also Puma knives,maybe something cold steel makes?Marbles knives are really high quality,nice looking also.If all else fails and ya need a cheap beater,there always the Marine Kabar knife and good price.
 
Maybe I can be more specific.
The chopping part is not for the vegetation you are talking about. I will be in a dense pine-tree forest. The ground there ( I ' ve been there ) is covered with some plant, I don't know if you people in the USA have it.
And I don't know the translation.
Let me desribe : long branches, capable of going on for meters, thorny, tough (you can twist 'm, but not break 'm), rough green leaves, usually not higher than 1 m 20, but very dense. In the right season, they have good fruit, that looks like a very strawberry, only darker and looks like a composition of little berries.
Now, where I go, there are pathways, but sometimes they are covered with this stuff.
That is what I'll be whacking at. I can't be any more specific than that. I already tried a cheat machete, but that doesn't work. You take too much branches, and the machete gets stuck in them, possible rolls the edge. Besides, everyone will think I am crazy when I come marching in with a machete on my belt. I will be walking there with a few assistants and possibly my professor, who has to give me my grades at the end of the year.

Well, something else has changed. The folder I will be carrying is a Spyderco native with a CPM 440 V blade. My first powdermetal blade. Real bargain. Even my girl loves it.

greetz and thanks.
 
Hmm, think I know what you are speaking about but I also have doubts how to name it in English: blackberry, bramble? Is it lightly prickly? Is it green until ready and then in ink color with small pip in each fragment? If we are speaking about the same thing - it is not necessary so powerful knife as A1, F1 would be enough. A1 is more suitable for some decent hits than to wave continuously, it is simply a bit too heavy.

As to SPYDERCO Native - nice knife for concealed carry in urban environment, mostly for self defense. For field use I considerably would choose the Military among SPYDERCO folders.
 
I agree with Cliff, and another good one would be the Fisk designed Camp knife that BK&T is making. It handles well, good steel, good heat treat, comfortable etc.

I havent used one, but talked to several folks that have and its a good one.



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As time continues, I got the oppertunity to have someone make me a custom made knife. Off course, I did not say no. I was wondering if it might do too. Then I don't have a put anything on my professor's tap and just explain that I had someone make it for me.

It's a 52100 blade, triple quenched and heattreated, differentially. It looks like a straight big bowie, but the blade is tilted forward like a kukri and about 19 cm long. The handle is cordwrapped, swivel leather sheath. Acctually, it would go in my collection, but I could use it for this thing , right?

greetz & thanks. BArt
 
Sergiusz :

"Bomb solidity" and "withstanding repeated abuse" are very trick questions

They are a little vague yes, but so is "high performance cutting", "good edge retention" and "strong chopping ability". All of these are relative terms.

I have used the WM, F1, S1 and A1 and based on this I would never recommend the WM, or F1 as knives designed to handle extreme stress. Yes they are solid well built knives, but they are fairly thin and it would not be difficult to break the points, or even main body of the blade by hand.

The S1 and A1 are different beasts altogether. They are made from significantly thicker stock and have sabre instead of the full grinds on the WM and F1. They will easily the standard pull up test that is often used. It would take considerable effort to even break the points off of them and to snap the main body of the blade in half would require a strong power movement like a deadlift.

As for chopping, the F1 is light and neutral balanced. I could not use it to chop anything effectively. The S1 and A1 are heavier and are balanced more along the blade. The S1 was decent on light woods like Pine brances, Alders and such but a little underpowered for say a 2x4 sized piece of seasoned wood. The A1 was a significantly more powerful chopper.

-Cliff
 
I keep a Cold Steel Recon Scout in my truck for just the purposes listed. Its rock solid, being a shorter Trailmaster. Blade is razor sharp and tough! I chopped down a small tree a month ago, and it didnt even dull it. Comfortable grip. And you can get them for close to $100 if you know where to look.

Danbo, soul brother of Rambo

"Trample the weak. Hurdle the dead."
 
Cliff, we are speaking about completely different matters. You are trying to prove that S1 if better chopper than F1 and A1 is better chopper than S1. I agree! I should be complete idiot to discuss this matter, but I'm trying to be non-complete
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But try to understand me also: I'm calling into question the usefulness of chopping with knife at all and as result - the sense to carry heavy strong knife which strength greatly probably you will never use. I discussed this matter with Peter Hjortberger numerous times and we couldn't to convince each other. No problem, each man may select his equipment according his conception. I tested mine in numerous trips and was never disappointed.
Maybe I'm lucky chap
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As to F1 strength - think the situation is not so tragic. Someone should be a very strong man to break F1 main body of the blade working free-hand
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Here are breaking test results: http://www.bladeforums.com/ubb/Forum54/HTML/001412.html
I'm not so strong to break this knife's blade with my hands, maybe this is the reason why I'm considering this knife quite enough for me for trip through wilderness.
 
Sergiusz :

I'm calling into question the usefulness of chopping with knife at all


It was one of the listed desires, if someone asks for a knife that can do a specific set of tasks I will see if I can find a blade that does it. If you want to argue with them that they are not a sensible set of aspects then you of course have that right, but arguing with me is kind of pointless as I am just anwering a particular question not evaluating it.

As to F1 strength - think the situation is not so tragic.

I never said it was. To get specific, based on my experience breaking the tips off of two F1's very easily, and seeing the level of exertion needed to break them across the main body of the blade (my brother did it) I would not recommend them to someone who was going to heavily stress them beyond normal cutting. If the level of strength is enough for you, excellent, it is not for me (more details in the review for those interested).

-Cliff
 
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