Best clip design wins a Prototype EDC knife

Any comments on what you want to see in a clip? The best comment or drawing used on the knife will win a prototype EDC with the pit bull,dominator,or fighter blade of your choice valued at $450.00. The EDC knives are a titanium frame lock knife with cpm 420 v blades.
My new EDC (every day carry) line of folders needs a good clip. BEST idea will be decided by vote on the forum from the best ten ideas.

I appreciate the comments on clips from good folks on the forums.

Ends april 30th


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A long wider clip with curvature at the point where it is attached, a bend inwards in the center of the clip instead of straight or flat, and attached with a solid stainless steel Lg. Torx Head Screw. Also, the clip to be recessed somewhat into the handle to keep from moving. Your logo engraved on the clip, and anodized!

ADDED: At the end of the pocket clip where your finger makes contact with the clip to remove the knife from your pocket (if this is how you remove your knife), put some small brail type bumps or notches there on the underside so your finger doesn't slip off the clip when doing this act of removal of the knife for deployement!

Mark
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Hey D.R. I think the ideal clip would be well curved and rounded for easy function and attached directly to the frame of the knife at the butt by screws. This way one could change the location from side to side just by loosening it up and repositioning it to the other side with the same set of holes. Be easier for production, too and if the user chooses to remove it there would be no holes in the scales.

Jake
 
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How about only using two screws, instead of three? Also, how about having the clip fold under itself at the attachment point. I'll try some ASCII art to explain:

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(ignore the ..'s, since UBB removes any large areas of blank space)

The clip attaches to the knife at the right (side view, clip-side up), with the screw going downward through where the ^ is. Either a hole is drilled through the clip to allow access to each screw, or 'ears' are made, placing the screws to either side, out from under the clip.

Email for more info and a drawing.

--JB

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Darrel, it's not too sensible task - to design the clip for knife which shape, materials, dimensions and carry mode are unknown. Clip is an integral part of the handle and the handle is an integral part of the whole.
Could anyone design the door for car which is already not designed?
Clip design and configuration depends on knife general idea and it is the balance of contradictions. For ex. deeper sitting knife is more discreet but harder to access quickly. Blackened clip is less visible on dark clothing background but more visible on light summer clothing. Gray bead blasted finish could be versatile but it looks pretty foolishly on black G-10 or white ivory micarta scale. Slight curve in clip's plane allows to match the handle better but disturbs to move the clip on the opposite side.
Etc., etc., etc.

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Sergiusz Mitin
gunwriter
Lodz, Poland
 
I would recommend a clip that follows the lines of the knife. For example - the portion of the clip that attaches to the handle should have the same profile of the handle and then the clip follow the top or bottom edge of the handle. This would allow the clip to not detract from the appearance of the handle.

I would also recommend that the clip have filework (or similar) to make it unique in shape and styling when the knife is in the pocket.

Or, how about no clip - spend that same amount of time/effort making an awesome knife fob (I believe that is what it is called). Maybe the fob could have some bone, micarta and/or stainless with spacers to match (or contrast) the handle material.
 
This would work if it is a tip up carry...
How about attaching the clip under the handle slab, to the liner? The clip would wrap around the handle slab (which would be notched on the inside, to accomodate the width of the clip) at the end of the knife, making for a very low, discrete carry. If it is slightly off center the clip base could be screwed into the liner on the far side. Or if it had to be centered maybe it could be spot welded to the near side liner.
I am an artist and it is hard for me do describe this in words, if you think it has merit, I'd be glad to draw it up over the weekend (I'm slumming @ work now
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Ebbtide out.
Oh Yeah, and a little recess in the handle slab, where the open end of the clip touches the handle, to make it a bit more secure.

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None at all would be a nice design
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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
Well, it's hard to explain but I'll give it a shot.

First off, the base of the clip that is screwed into the knife must fit into a milled out recess in the handle so as to not catch on anything when the knife is being inserted or removed from a pocket. The clip screws must be counterbored so as to be flush as well.

The clip MUST be anodized!!! Navy blue makes a stunning yet subtle color.

The knife should ride low in the pocket so it doesn't fall out or get dislodged during strenuous physical activity. Therefore the clip must be bent over itself as in the EDI Genesis's clip.

As a general rule I prefer clips on the pivot end of a knife but I can go either way.

For this knife, I'll have the clip on the pivot end. Now let's say the pivot pin is about 3/16" in diameter. Imagine an upside-down capital "Y" wedged from above around the pivot pin. Only with rounded ends, of course. The clip will be attached with three screws, one in each end of the "Y" and one where the "Y" branches. So there will be a clip screw directly to the left and right of the pivot pin and one directly above it, keeping the same distance from the pivot pin as the other two clip screws.

The clip bends over itself just enough to reach the top of the handle, but no farther.

The clip maintains a width slim enough so as the two side screws can be unscrewed with an allen wrench.

There should be holes drilled through the clip, two of which line up with the pivot pin and the clip screw directly above it.

Remember, this clip must be smoooth, so the "upside down Y" must be rounded around the pivot pin, keeping say, 1/16" or 1/32" distance constant.

Overall length of the clip should be 2" or 2.25", constructed of titanium.

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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...

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Don't design one, just copy EDI's and flush the attaching screws.

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Darrel,


I would suggest going with a receased clip along the same lines as the Outdoor Edge version of your Krait. I have had several clip knives over the years and it is the only on that never snagged on other things. I would go with a longer and wider clip though if it will be used on a larger knife.


Regards,

Tom Carey
 
The clip should be one piece and on a spring loaded bar inserted into the center of one side of the frame handle. By pulling up and turning the bar 180 degrees, the clip could be changed from tip up to tip down. The spring tension would provide the gripping tension. No screws would be needed. The clip could be covered with material matching the scales of the knife. When you remove the knife, only the small tip would stick out. This would give a comfortable grip and still leave enough clip exposed to easily reclip to a pocket. This type of clip would appear more integral than an exterior clip and provide fast and easy position changing.

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Dave
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The one I described to you on the phone over a year ago
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Whatever design you use, I would like to see you nugget texture applied as an option. It would give a grippy texture for drawing.

I think EDI has a good design.

Cheers,
Damon
 
Please offer the knife without a clip. Also I prefer having the clip "upside down" It doesn't get in the way as much. I would also like to see a clip that has rounded edges, and material that isn't paper thin (read: a little thicker than most available clips)
one more thing that would be great if it were easy to produce. Most clips break off at the screws, right?, well, make a steel clip that "begins" at the screwed in end with thicker material (about 1/2") then the flap should be carved down to a thinner material.::
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I am not a maker so I don't even know if this one is feasible or worth the effort but here it is. This would be applicable to integrals designed for tip up carry.

Cut a small slot in the side of each handle very close to the butt of the knife. This is where you would slide the clip into for attachment. The clip would be held in place by 2 recessed screws (one on each handle slab) tapped in the end of the handle. This design would allow for either right or left hand carry, simply remove the screws and clip and insert from other side. Would also allow the no clip option with the only evidence of a clip design being the 2 small, recessed screw holes in the end of the handle which would be filled with the screws. The slots that the clip passes through could be decorated to become part of the overall design (ex. an anodized bevel surrounding the slot) along with blending the screws in with a combination of anodizing the handles and heat coloring the screws. Confused yet?

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Both of these are mentioned above but I'll restate them because it so happens that it has been on my mind lately.
-Best clip - EDI deep pocket clip. It really makes a difference with IWB carry. Really.
-No clip - I'm getting tired of tactical, semi tactical and high end folders with clips. Leave the clip on the bench or as an option and lets get back to leather belt pouches.
Peace
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http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19353538&Sequence=0

and http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19353032&Sequence=0

Two things I don't like about the common clips: first, they don't aid in the grip, and sometimes they screw up the grip. Second, they are narrow thin bits of metal. I would want a clip that couldn't easily be bent out of shape. The holes on the first clip above, don't have to be there, only the hole for the pivot pin should stay. If the knife was mounted with the tip down, the cutout in the clip would give the bottom of the index finger a place to rest, while maintaining a strong unbendable clip. The second page has a lot of crap, but I would like to see a clip bent to fit the shape of the palm when the right hand grips it.

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