Best Cold Steel hawk for home defense?

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Lasse Eskildsen

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Hello there! I'm new here ;) I'd like to ask your opinion on what of cold steel's hawks you would consider the best for defending yourself in the home? I'm also open to other companies but I'd like to keep them relative cheap as I plan on buying a couple (doorway, sleeping room, bathroom, main room,)
And also if you have any tips on how to make it look somewhat worn and used quickly without damaging it too much so it look like its used for, well... Axe stuff, since its ilegal to defend yourself with anything in your home in denmark <.< or atleast keep a item intended to defend yourself with.

Thanks alot :)
Lasse Eskildsen.
 
I wouldnt ever use a hawk for defense but if you feel inclined i would wait until the trench hawk comes out..
 
Alright :) Why so? (that you wouldnt use a hawk) It seems almost perfect to me. It has to be small to use in doorways and such, has a very lethal end and a less lethal butt, Somewhat of a fear factor aswell. And can be explained off. Is there anything else you would recommend? has to be less than 30 cm prefereably, and must be able to be explained off as something usefull for other stuff.

The trench hawk look nice, but also alot more "tactical" and threatening (to the law that is) than one with a wooden handle.
 
Check here for how to mod one if you want to "age" it.

I would bead blast the heads to get them down to bare steel then treat them as you like. Forced patina maybe?

For the handles I like to flame them a bit and then wrap them with leather. Gives me a better feel than paracord.

For selection I think it's a personal thing. All will do what you want them to do. May want to buy a book/video on how to use them also. CS steel makes one but not sure how good it is.

Good luck!
 
Get either the rifleman's or the trail hawk. The rifleman has some serious weight, so a tap with the hammer head is nothing to laugh at. Given what you say about Danish law, something with a spike is just asking for legal problems. If you really are concerned about this, get a carpenter's hatchet (they're reasonably cheap and one still has a blade and hammer)--then it's just a common tool.
 
You know, i have concidered the same thing, the thought of seeing one of my special blades, or my one of my pistols placed into a sealed evidence bad and taken away is painful.

That is pretty much why i purchased a few other cheaper options. (though i seriously doubt i will ever need to)

i would go with a frontier (for the old time look and upper bit), or a TH, for its weight and humble looks. if it were me, and it was not long ago, i selected the TH on the longer haft that CS sells and i am very happy with it.

without some training i would be cautious to use anything that had a bit, and a spike. since one of the business ends will be pointed at you while using it, and personally i am not comfortable with that.
 
Kriegshammer, mein freund :cool:


Because with a bludgeoning weapon, you can control the damage. You don't necessarily need to kill them. But if you do need to kill them, it could certainly do it.
 
Thanks alot for the replies! Those Carpenter hatchets look pretty nifty, Seem quite heavy though with a full steel construction. Since I dont need to chop the arms off my possible attacker I'd prefere being able to retrieve and slash/cut again faster if I miss, and then maybe not hit with as much power. Than hitting with alot of power but having hard retrieving the axe again if I should miss.

So speed is a priority against crushing power. Do you know if the weight diffrences Frontier Hawk vs Rifleman's and Pipe is very large? The butt-end does seem nicer than without. Eventhough there still is a metal ring on the behind of the Frontier, it doesnt poke as much out so I asume there would be a chance of hitting with the piece of wood above it than with the piece of metal.

I think you might'ave misunderstood what I meant by "aged" but I aint sure... I dont want it to look antique or "old" in that way. Like its some kind of relic. But more like its been used for chopping wood and such. So it looks used, I know I could go chop alot of wood but I'd prefere to not fuck up the edge or weaken the handle. Dont know if its possible what I'm talking about. Since when the police would arive after I would have chopped up a attacker (which I ofcourse hope will never have to happen) I'd look somewhat bad if it was a brand new axe that seems like it had been kept clean for that purpose.

And yeah I'll get some books or a dvd on it and ofcourse train with it. Though I will neither be able to find a partner and there certainly isnt any schools for such here. But I asume "Chop, retrieve, chop" will work at most times since It will most likely be in a small room against someone who doesnt expect resistance. And not on some open ground against another armed opponent.

Thanks again!
 
Sorry. I didnt see your reply while writing mine Wolf. Aye I would like a warhammer :P but would be hard to explain why you kept such one around, + you would need a sharp-weapon collector permit. And normal work hammers are generaly either too damn heavy or too small. The shape of a ballpoint hammer is quite nice but it is almost TOO light, and doesnt have very much reach, and doesnt realy inspire much fear.
 
Norse hawk is good for fighting and doesn't look like a weapon.
You could always use the back side of of Norse Hawk for less than lethal applications.
 
I have a Stanley Fatmax 22ounce with overstrike and it's as good as any one hand war-hammer.
Straight claw,good weight and grip shape.
Good tool as well.

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Lasse Eskildsen said:
Sorry. I didnt see your reply while writing mine Wolf. Aye I would like a warhammer :P but would be hard to explain why you kept such one around, + you would need a sharp-weapon collector permit. And normal work hammers are generaly either too damn heavy or too small. The shape of a ballpoint hammer is quite nice but it is almost TOO light, and doesnt have very much reach, and doesnt realy inspire much fear.
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Easy explanation: I've used mine this winter to bust up ice on the porch and driveway. It does a very good job in that role.

As for artificially aging one, I stripped the paint from the head and langets using a vibrating palm sander. I applied a mix of vinegar/H2O2/salt to the head. I left the langets outside for a few months until they had rusted and then removed the rust with the wire brush attachment on a Dremel tool. Now it looks like it had been stored in a German castle for a few centuries. :cool:

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Thanks for the replies all :) The hammers look quite nice but I still think I'd prefere a tomohawk with somekind of hammer poll on the back instead. The shovel is interesting though, though isnt it quite unbalanced? With the shovel head being on the "side" of the handle instead of "infront" like a hawk.
 
The shovel's handle is round, so the "front" depends on how you hold it. Works fine. It's modeled after the Russian SPETZNAZ shovel, and they use it to quite good effect, even throwing it.

If you really want a hawk, though, the Trail Hawk makes the best weapon, while looking something like a camping tool.

A good framing hammer works quite well also, and you can either get them with a wood or all metal handle.

Another option is to get a decent wood chopping axe, and keep a spare handle around (which is a normal thing to do), and use the axe handle as a weapon. That's an idea that's been put to good use many times.
 
Since you want several I might suggest you try several different options.A Rifleman Hawk (or other) stashed in each corner may seem questionable. Having the same Axe pre deployed all over the house may seem 'Premeditated'.

"Why do you own 4 of these Axes and keep them ready for combat?"


If you had a Trail hawk with a small day pack and water bottle at the front door.("It is light and easy to carry when I hike Officer.")

A Rifleman hawk or Carpenter hatchet at the back door. ("for small work around the house Officer, see the hammer?")

Norse hawk (or two or three) in the bedroom (There toys. I like to throw them as a sport, so as not to break the tools" Have couple spare handles.).

You get the idea. Sort of Social Camouflage.

The CS shovel is a deadly (very very formidable) weapon and dose not look the part at all. I have used mine to cut chop and hammer. The short shovel was the weapon of choice for both sides for trench fighting in WWI.

A baseball or cricket bat would not raise suspicion. A heavy cane (we call a Stock cane, used for herding hogs) 24 inch crowbar (wrecking bar) or a walking stick with a metal point on one end 'for traction' would deter me if you appeared determined.

A stout Fire extinguisher in the Kitchen (Pick one as a club not for a fire fighting rating) would look perfectly 'in its place'. Backed up with a Cleaver, Large Chief knife or......Lots of stuff in the kitchen to hurt people with.

Just a thought
 
I have often kept my personalized S.O.G. hawk nearby when wanting to feel warm and fuzzy. It does not have a spot on it that would inflict some sort of damage if I were to use it as a defense tool. ;) As for the CS hawks I have yet to get one but the day is coming...:D
 
If you have a Boot Sale or Swap Meet, buy an old 12 inch long hatchet, it is worn and beaten and you use it for camping and "stuff" . The blunt side is a very good option. You thought a small ball pein hammer wasn't too good, but talking to a few law enforcement friends have told me some gang members have gone to carrying a 16 ounce ball pein hammer for a weapon, and when the time comes, they wail away.

If you are going to use this tool in a house a shorter one, 12 or so inches would be more useable in doorways and under low ceilings. It isn't too good to have the open shot you dream of and then catch a door jam of big piece of furniture on the swing. Speed and control have nice qualities.

Can you cook in Denmark or where ever you are, get an old antique meat clever and go Ginsu on their @$$.

about anything is usable for defense. Local laws may be a pain in your butt.
 
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