Best custom tactical knife?

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Paul, thanks for your kind remarks.

Adrian, The Millennium Black fighter (CPM-3V blade) is $400 (less in ATS-34 or A2), custom fitted, in most any finish you want (within reason), and with a leather sheath for belt or boot, or a kydex sheath for belt, IWB or whichever BladeRigger system you might be using. This is not normally an off-the-shelf knife, being custom designed for each customer to suit your specific requirements in blade length (<10") and preferences in point versus blade belly. Delivery is about 4 months.

I do have these in my show inventory from time to time, in which case they are $350 without sheath. At the moment I am completely out of CPM-3V blades.

Normally I would email this, but you seem not to have an email link above your post. I apologize to others for this post being so commercial.

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TomW,

Out of no where, once again showing he has no idea what he is talking about.

You see Tom, with an automatic knife, if you pin it together and the mechanism fails for whatever reason you have to rip the knife apart to fix it. Also, it is almost impossible to build it right the first time.
Generally, it takes several tries to get an automatic knife exactly right. Once again pinning a knife does not allow you to do this. As you have to take the knife apart and put it back together several times. Tim understands this and could incorporate this design element into his knives if he chose to do so. Most of the very high dollar Damascus folder makers, McHenry, Selvidio, Ralph, Dailey, Rados, etc. employ this techinque and sell their knives for thousands of dollars every time they go to a show.

Using screw does not make a knife tactical Tom. John W. Smith, Aaron Fredric, Joel Chamblin, Jeff Chaffee (to name a few) make their own 14K gold screws. This adds a very nice touch to their Damascus folders. Perhaps you should suggest to Tim that he consider incorporating something along these lines in his knives.

As for the Canadian Guild, I didnt realize that you were involved in the conference call between the board memebers. Wait a minute I just checked the Canadian Guild board of directors names. Guess what Tom, your name is not there. So I guess this means you were not privy to the phone call. So that could only suggest, once again, or should I say "as usual" you don't know what you are talking about.

Tom, if it is as you say, they only asked me to come only because they want more dealers there. Then I appreciate your compliment. As this orgainization could have invited any maker in the United States and they chose me.
Not only to attend, but to judge and present awards. Also, now it appears I will be doing a seminar for the Guild after the meeting. Now I am even more flattered than I was before.

Les

 
Les: I really cannot believe your posts and the amount of outright egotism you have displayed. Would you tell a painter how to paint? A sculptor how to work clay? You've dispensed your sagely advice on how a maker should be making his knives based purely on a few photos and then proceeded to rip up the rest of his line.

Now it's telling another maker how he should go about his craft, just because you are not collecting a royalty doesn't mean Tim's knives are not selling are are not desirable.

I don't have a problem with you giving advice Les, you've provided some very helpful advice but I am dismayed to see that the knife business is no different then any other industry, still those that think their word is holy script.

Walter

(aka Suvorov on IRC)

 
Again your arrogance shows loud and clesr. How is it that you come to assume that you're the "only" person that ever hears what's going on behind the scenes in knives?
Again because you don't know the people you're addressing or who they know, you assume they don't know what they're talkinng about.
Another thing to ponder, it will be a pretty sad day in knives when the best and artistic knifemakers have to start screwing knives together instead of doing their own way.
Sad when they have to start listening to people that have never made a knife themselves and have no talent of their own but make their living feeding off the skills of others tell them that it can't be done.
I can't speak for everybody but in my opinion (and that of many others) the knife world doesn't need any more screwed together black folding turds like the ever increasing array that's on your table just because that's what the masses want. As much as you'd like it otherwise there are plenty of great knifemakers that do it the way THEY want to and sell every knife that they make and don't have to depend on you to make a living as much as you'd like to see otherwise.
OH ya one more thing Les PLEASE don't start bragging about what you did for Canadian knives. I'm still sick from your last rant about how mich you already did for custom knives in general.
 
i am ..this is great!!!
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Obviously some bladesmiths just won't get along. That being the case, keep your animosity amongst yourselves NOT in a public forum where everyone can see how childish you are. Rifleer1's original post was a simple question about the best tactical knife.....not an attempt to start an ego contest. My compliments to Mr. Hossom for being a gentleman bladesmith.

Adrian

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I don't know about enjoying... maybe learning is a better word.

No offense, Les, but is this what you call marketing? I for one am not impressed.



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Well,

I am enjoying this, I feel positively Roman.

No, seriously.

I think Les is making some very good points, and I think that very few of us can differ based on experience.

Funniest part is, Les is just shooting straight, and taking no prisoners, John Wayne toilet paper. I understand this, often being a plain speaker will get you in lots of trouble, people do not want to hear what you really think.

But in the end, we are nothing, so, let it be, I am learning a heck of a lot.

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Tom, that is one drop dead beautiful knife. I think you have the winner.

As for the rest of this nonsense, I think someone needs to get laid.

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He's not marketing, he's talking about marketing.

Tim and TomW both know full well that they're needling Les into responding. Read back to the beginning of the thread. Les offered some straight, if not necessarily friendly opinions, in direct response to being asked for that opinion.

Everything was fine until Tim Herman responded:

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i fail to see where he claims it's the strongest in the world? "IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ONE OF THE STRONGEST KNIVES" no credit for effort eh Les?

rifleer1 didnt even mention the #1 but you attack the finger grooves anyway. nice attitude there. leave it to randall! only they know how to do finger grooves right!

his #2 has a couple design flaws in the guard area? according to who, Les? oh yes i forgot, you are the master designer of knives. his #4 is too high priced for what it is! jesus why not just tell everyone it's all ugly junk,Les?

sheesh! the guy asks for a little advice on someone's knives and you tear down every model they make?! another nice display of "i know everything there is to know about knives" les.

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Notice how he doesn't provide his own opinion, he just questions Les' response, and takes cheap shots. I'm sorry, but this was first blood. And Les tried to maintain for a while after this.

I don't see Les as blameless. He's never going to be the most sensitive WRT people's feelings or suffer from an inferiority complex. But at least he says what he means, and then sticks by his guns. What you're getting is the truth as Les knows it. Tim knew full well that within a few posts, he could get Les to pop. Once he did, TomW jumped in with his own cheap shot.

I don't like Les all the time, I don't agree with him all of the time, and, for the record, I've never bought anything from him or sold anything to him. But I have strong opinions too, that sometimes have me putting my foot into my mouth.

If people offer their opinions, and have to defend their point, that's their own battle. But when someone is put against the wall to defend themselves for the simple mistake of expressing themselves in a "less than sensitive" fashion, as Les has here, I will gladly stand beside them, as I realize that next time it may be me.

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"That which does not kill me just postpones the inevitable."
 
I agree; I think Les's first post was right on! I'm not on anybody's "side" I just think all of the bickering doesn't make anyone look good. Les is a custom knife dealer participating in a custom knife forum, and as such he is marketing himself in front of potential customers. Like I said, I meant no offense, I was just trying to point out that attacking Tim Herman, as below, is not good marketing. This is the most insulting comment I’ve seen on the forums in a while. I don’t know Wolfe Loerchner, but I really doubt he'd tell anyone to just leave stylized stainless to him.

Originally posted by Les Robertson:
Tim, I think that much of what you write is out of frustration. That although you possess what you and others feel are world class skills, you are not as popular as you once were.
Perhaps if you were to step back and look at todays market, you could adjust how you conduct your business.

Afterall it will be almost impossible to build the autos that you want to make with the designs your currently using. Here is a hint, get rid of the all pin construction.

Also, the Wharncliffe style blade is probably not your best bet for your fist auto. That blade style was more popular about 18 months ago. This blade shape is also partly responsible for the slow sales of the Silver.

It's best to leave the stylized stainless steel knife to Wolfgang.
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les,

again your arrogance and ignorance amazes me.

Warren Osborne, Joe Kious and others pin there autos too as they dont seem to care for the looks of screws on their knives either. so, their work not to your satisfaction either? they probably dont give you a dealer discount either, therefore their work isnt worth it either. no thanx, i will stick with pins, and my designs will work just fine as autos
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screws would really look bad on this knife. BTW i also pin my sliver liner-locks and they seem to work perfectly. weird huh?

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for a super dealer who supposedly keeps up on things, the wharnecliff is no good anymore? wow! how come i still see so many being made and more wharnecliffs being added to factory knives? as for my "slow sales" on my sliver model, how would you possibly know how they are selling?? explain that to me. a comment like that truley shows your jealousy and ignorance about my sliver or any other model i design. i had 2 at the AKI show in San Diego that sold in 10 minutes and took orders for 3 more. damn, that is pretty lame sales huh? i showed the knife to a guy i never talked with before at the cardiac rehab i go to 3 times a week and he asked if i had won any awards for that design yet? said i ought to talk to Tiffany's about selling the design to them, that it would be perfect for them. yea wharnecliffs are not popular now. i dont know what you are on that makes your thinking so lame but sliver sales are doing just great.

les, i would really appreciate you not ever talking about me or my knives again since you obviously have no clue about either. pick someone else to insult and make up crap about.

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Brian Turner,

This is meant in the nicest way possible, but have you read the other "Les" threads? This is not the first. Maybe if you read the others your opinion will change.

Les,

Tim makes art knives, and beautiful knives they are. I'm sure everyone would agree the sliver is an awsome design. How do you think that would look with screws? Don't you think Tim has taken screws into account? I guess you didn't when you made your post. Screws may work well on tacticals but you seemed to have forgotten the sliver is an art knife. When you do something you have to take a everything into account as a whole. Keep this in mind Les. Even the knife god makes mistakes.
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Wow, this is the Best thread I have seen in a couple of months. Two guys (for the most part) having a face-off, kiss-off, eat my dust, this town just ain't Big enough for the Two of us, Show Down. Nobody is winning except some of Us perverts who enjoy a good fight between equally matched opponents who manage to Learn something in the process. Congrats to Jerry Hossom for his incredible accomplishments in knife making, and his graciousness in thread making. A few Other guys deserve my Highest Commendations for meritorious service in the name of the Truth as They understand it.

I think Tim's knives are, drop dead of apoplexy, Gorgeous knives. He is a True Artisan. He does not need people like Les to create Or sell his Art.

Les is a Businesman. He loves knives. He went to business school. He Used knives a Lot in his previous Life. He knows All about the Money side of knives. He knows what is Hot and what is Not. If he screws up, he is looking for another job. So he is Really motivated. That is also probably true of Tim Herman.

I think you guys ought to appreciate each other a little more. You both love knives. You both have dedicated your Lives to your love of knives. Tim is an artist and Lives by creating knives. Les is Also an Artist. He just practices a Different Art.

Neither of these guys Cancels each other out (that is why this thread keeeeeps going). They both know Their stuff. I just wish they could understand that they are on the Same side.

The Single, Best, Most Amazing, Cogent, and Lucid remark in This thread (IMO) was made by Marion David Poff:

But in the end, we are nothing, so, let it be, I am learning a heck of a lot.


Paracelsus, seeker of Understanding, Beauty, and Profit.

Oh, Jerry, I hope you didn't mean I had to get laid. With all NINE of the Muse sisters here helping me out in what Used to be Plato's cave, I am Quite Satisfied.
 
Paracelsus, you can't have ALL nine. I'm married to one and she was the pick of the litter! No I was referring to those with the apparent hormone imbalances. Nice bit of diplomacy there, BTW.

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I too am enjoying the heck out of this one. IMHO, the best comment to date was Jerry's "someone needs to get laid" line. Jerry, now I KNOW I have to have one of your knives! Mike Turbor, I think it's time for a new graphic. How about when a thread has THIS many responses it gets a little a-bomb mushroom cloud next to it?
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By the way, as far as fixed blade tacticals go, this one isn't a high-end custom, but check out the cool G10 scales that Neil Blackwood put on it for me. http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=194082&a=1423561&p=15967221
Pretty cool, huh!
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Ya a new graphic would be cool.

OK can you guys stop with the testosterone slinging?

The personal attacks are getting deep again and Les, as usual, you are spear heading them. I don't give a rats ass whether your right or wrong. I am also not asking for you to sugar coat your comments. It just seems to me that you always offer more info than asked.

An example would be that I have all kinds of inside info on Mad Dog that would rock most people's world. Especially Steve Harvey, but I keep that info to myself as it was not asked for, nor is it appropriate in the forum. So when you are asked a question it would be helpful if you would only answer the question.

Damn I wish you were not so much like me. I feel sometimes like I am talking to and/or about myself. I want people to have the full story too but sometimes this is not the right venue for it.

Suggestion. If you feel that you are about to get into a controversial subject just ask people to email you for more info. OK?

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