Best damn Multi-tool! Experts, come out of the woodwork.

JoeBW said:
Hi Deathshead,

As to the weight reduction – well, the folks at Victorinox sure made a great improvement in that category. As I’ve had mine on my belt for several weeks without scaring women or children due to my pants being dragged down, I’m happy.

The difference in weight between the Swisstool and ST Spirit is about 3 ounces. If that scares women and children or drags your pants down, maybe you should zip up your fly and/or work out more. ;)

Honestly, if belt carried, the felt difference between the two should be slim to none. I have been carrying my new Swisstool for a week now and it is not even noticeable, let alone too heavy. I could understand a smaller size and weight being of some concern for pocket carry, but golly gee.

Still and all, I salute your enthusiasm for Victorinox products and glad you are happy. So am I. :)
 
JoeBW said:
Here is a review that I wrote for the Victorinox Coolectors Club that may answer some of your questions on the Spirit............

Thanks for a fine review Joe!
 
znapschatz said:
The difference in weight between the Swisstool and ST Spirit is about 3 ounces.

Yeah really... I've heard people complain the Swisstool is to heavy. Who are these girly men? :) I used to wear mine at my retail job when I worked 9am to 9:30pm and I was usually on my feet the entire time, rarely had a chance to sit down (even to eat). The only time the weight was an issue was when I was on the can and had my belt undone and it would pull my belt out of my belt loops. I soon figured out I could tie a quick loop in my belt to prevent it from being pulled away. :)
 
just bought me a SOG Powertool T60 and a SOG Trident Tanto TF-6 (hasn't arrived yet) Super sweet stuff. Needed the extra plier power of the SOG.

i did consider the swiss tool spirit plus but i didn't like the curve...
 
I like most of the multi-tools but the Charge Ti is think is my favorite. Here is a review that I found.

The best multitool so far.
After decades carrying victorinox swiss army knives, then SOG multitools, then finally the Gerber Urban Legend, I have finally ended up with the Leatherman Charge Ti - and it's the best yet. I've been carrying the Charge Ti for a month now, and I'm ready to weigh in:

Hots:
1) Single handed opening blades of excellent quality. I don't know if the "154CM steel" business is marketing hype or not, but the clip point blade is the sharpest most slickly ground blade I've ever seen on a multi-tool. It rivals a high-end pocket knife. The liner lock is easy, secure, and well implemented. The serrated blade on the other side is pretty awesome too.
2) Titanium side pieces are thinner and slicker than the the steel ones on the Wave. Others have derided this as a marketing gimmick, but the thinner profile is appreciated in my book. It helps keep this loaded tool nice and sleek. Compared to the Gerber Urban Legend, this is positively svelt.
3) Diamond file for you nails and aggresively cut file for everything else. Cross hatching goes all the way to the tip. This is the best file I've ever seen on a multi-tool.
4) Awesome saw. Ultrasharp double row dual pitched teeth are virtually the equal of the ones on a victorinox swiss army knife (or swiss tool) (they are a tad shorter) - but exceeds the victorinox's by having the teeth extend all the way to the tip.
5) Both big blades, the file and saw all all openable without opening the tool up (like with the Wave) and all lock with liner lock mechanisms.
6) The pliers are a work of art. Nicely shaped needle nose with aggresive internal teeth that truly mesh for excellent grip. Improved wire cutters are great - but still the weakest link since once they get blunt there's no fixing them.
7) Internal tools all lock with a slick push-button release mechanism. This is especially key for screwdrivers - so that you don't bear down and then have them pinch your fingers when they accidentally close.
8) True micro-sized glasses screwdriver comes in handy for a host of applications. Unlike other implimentations, this one is attached to a beefy piece of steel and locks like all the rest.
9) All tools accessible individually - with normal fingernails.
10) Interchangeable bits on the main screwdriver. While some have questioned the choice of included bits, the expansion kit isn't over expensive and the fact that extra bits are in stored in a plastic tray that is included - and has space provided in the sheath combines to make me say this is the best screwdriver bit arrangement I've yet seen.
11) Combo bottle/can opener. Nicely done - nice to be able to open cans in a pinch. This is omitted by some.
12) Like the Wave, the arrangement of blades opening directly from the outside means that when you open the tool to use the pliers the blade liners make a thick non-pinching handle for you to hold - far preferable to the old-style multi-tool handle where you had to squeeze the thin metal edge of the handle. This is comfortable handle - and it has good useable metric and english style rulers marked out on it to boot. The rulers measure out to 8".

Nots:
1) Scissors isn't as good as the one they used to have on the Wave. It's unusual to see the quality of a component go down in a Leatherman. I wonder what the story is. The scissors is still good (very sharp), but it's very tiny and bit wimpy. Good for small jobs but can't cut anything thick - like plastic clamshell cases or more than 5 sheets of paper at a time easily.
2) As good as the pliers are I miss two features from the Gerber Urban legend: i) interchangeable wire cutter blades. ii) spring loaded jaw opening. I understand that the spring opening plier jaws of the Gerber meant that the pliers didn't open as wide - which compromised them - but it make their use for fine work really nice.
3) Flat screwdriver tool. Instead of the second bit driver of the Xti, the Ti has the scissors and a permanent flat screwdriver tool - a bigger chunkier flat screwdriver than the one on the bit. This is nice - but since there's already a flat screwdriver on the bit tool, there was an opportunity to put another kind of tool here - like an awl. This is a bit of a quibble. I prefer to have a scissors, so I give the nod to the Charge Ti over the Xti.

How would I compare it to the Gerber Urban Legend (big one)? The Charge is a far more refined beast - better engineered and layed out. The Urban Legend is comparitively big and ungainly, with dumb rubber side pieces that fall out after a while and silly tool arrangement that prevents you from opening some tools without opening others to get access. The Urban Legend also has only one blade, which they've opted to make 1/2 serrated and 1/2 (the tip half) straight; clearly a weakness. In practice I didn't mind this blade much, though. The Legend lacks rulers - has a silly arrangement for interchangeable bits (and no case to hold the bits and the knife together). No option for leather case. Inferior file. All that aside, the Urban Legend's spring loaded pliers were really memorable - the best I've yet used, and I miss them. Overall, though, the Leatherman smokes the Legend. I can't comment on how the Charge compares to the new Wave, but compared to all the multi-tools which have gone before, the Charge Ti improves virtually every area in virtually every way. This is a hot multi-tool - highly recommended.


http://www.leatherman.com/products/tools/charge-Ti/default.asp
 
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These people were polite, fast and flexible with shipping.

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DGG said:
6) The pliers are a work of art. Nicely shaped needle nose with aggresive internal teeth that truly mesh for excellent grip. Improved wire cutters are great - but still the weakest link since once they get blunt there's no fixing them.

That was a good review, but I'm going to disagree with this part. What's stopping someone from sharpening the wire cutters? I've done it myself. All you need is a stone that can fit inside while the pliers are open. I used a Spyderco Sharpmaker rod. On top of that, I'm willing to bet that Leatherman would replace the plier jaws if their tools were sent in for warranty service. Hell, I broke the tip off of an older Wave by trying to tear off the head of a #6 screw with them. Admittedly I shouldn't have been doing that (in hindsight I should have used the saw, but I didn't think that it would cut screws well at the time... later I tried it and the saw worked surprisingly well for this purpose) , but I asked Leatherman about repair and from what I've gathered, they will repair their tools under warranty if they break, period (even under abuse).
 
On top of that, I'm willing to bet that Leatherman would replace the plier jaws if their tools were sent in for warranty service. Hell, I broke the tip off of an older Wave by trying to tear off the head of a #6 screw with them. Admittedly I shouldn't have been doing that (in hindsight I should have used the saw, but I didn't think that it would cut screws at the time... later I tried it and the saw worked surprisingly well for this purpose) , but I asked Leatherman about repair and from what I've gathered, they will repair their tools under warranty if they break, period (even under abuse).[/QUOTE]


I did hear that LM's warranty was excellent. I never returned my old Wave for repair becuse it never broke.
How is Victorinox on their warranty? Has anyone ever returned a Victorinox product for repairs? If so, what is your thoughts?
 
DGG said:
... Titanium side pieces are thinner and slicker than the the steel ones on the Wave.
Great review! Enjoyed it very much...
Slight disagreement: Titanium side pieces may be thin but the Charge is thicker overall than the new Wave. The new Wave even managed to get itself thinner than the old Wave according to this review (BTW, this is a most thorough/detailed/well-written review I have ever read):
http://www.equipped.org/lm_charge-wave.htm

I owned a new Wave and it is the best tool I have ever owned. Now I am thinking of upgrading it to ChargeTi.
 
DGG said:
8) True micro-sized glasses screwdriver comes in handy for a host of applications. Unlike other implimentations, this one is attached to a beefy piece of steel and locks like all the rest.

During 9 months of using a Charge I have found not one single thing the small screwdriver fits. It is too small for my eyeglasses or anything else I encounter. Maybe it is useful for for some kind of specialized equipment, but that would seem to be a job for dedicated miniature drivers, not a honking big multitool. Can anyone suggest what they are good for?
 
KTMGUY said:
How is Victorinox on their warranty? Has anyone ever returned a Victorinox product for repairs? If so, what is your thoughts?

I sent a knife in for repairs a couple years ago, it was quickly replaced, they never asked a single question. I was quite impressed, now I look to that for a standard.
LM did the exact same thing for me.
 
znapschatz said:
During 9 months of using a Charge I have found not one single thing the small screwdriver fits. It is too small for my eyeglasses or anything else I encounter. Maybe it is useful for for some kind of specialized equipment, but that would seem to be a job for dedicated miniature drivers, not a honking big multitool. Can anyone suggest what they are good for?

Just a week or two ago, someone on my job needed a screwdriver for his glasses. I had my Charge on me (which I always carry at work) and presented it to him. Turns out the small driver was too large. I'm talking about the slotted one, though.
 
Buzzbait said:
I am very conscious of the weight of the tools I carry, so you’ll never see me carrying a Charge. The charge is very bulky and very heavy. I carry a basic Spirit, which is very nice compromise between tool strength, size and weight.

There is a 1.35 ounce of difference in weight between a Spirit and a Charge. Perhaps you were thinking of the Surge?
 
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